AW: [Hornlist] Tone, and recording equipment.
The other mistake is it, to place the microphone direct in the way of the sound wave, so every click or snore is heard, instead of placing it a bit to the side. What do you think, we had as microphones in the late 1950ies or 1960ies And what might one expect as tone quality coming from a kid who plays the horn for not longer than 1 1/2 years, honestly Things take time, much time. Horn playing is not a thing of buy run ! But nevertheless, if productive critic is the result of listening to ones own first recording, everything is in order. Intelligent continuous work (had work as often used term would be wrong misleading) under good tutorship shall start now, as the young player in question has understood one of the essentials of making music: objective self critic. === -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Smit Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 31. Mai 2003 07:43 An: The Horn List Betreff: RE: [Hornlist] Tone, and recording equipment. I know exectly what you'r talking about. I've recorded myself many time aswell and it does not sound the same. This is because of the equipment you use. Professional recordings are done with very expensive equipment. There are various kinds of microphones with different characteristic sounds. The problem I had with my cheap mic was that emphasized the higher frequensies to much, which coused a very bright sound. Some mics will do the opposite. There is also very spesific ways of mic placement. Using the wrong placement can also ruine your recording. I just read Pizka's reply and its good, but don't be to critical on your tone when its recorded with the wrong equipment. Good luck! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] CONN 28D
Brittany, I will be offering for sale a vintage 28D at Bloomington. I can send you more info on mine if it would be helpful. Depending on the price and condition you may want to grab the one you played. Even if it needs work it could turn out to be a good investment. The serial number on mine is located on the casing for the F/Bb change valve which is also mechanical. If it is really 50 years old it most likely will be a a six digit number starting with a 4. Julio de la Rosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kerri c davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: [Hornlist] A vintage 8D...? Hey, guys- listen to this!! I went horn shopping all today, and found that I like the 8D over Holton 8D Wannabe (I'm not sure the model number) and the Yamaha 668. But, I went to Cadence Music here in Fort Myers and one of the repair men, Todd, pulled out this really old looking horn and told me to play it and give him feedback. He said at first he didn't know what it was, then he realized after some careful scrutiny it was an 8D, one from the fifties! This guy who turned it in asked them if they had a use for it and just dropped it off. It was yellow brass, and had several small dings but nothing major. It played very well and was in great shape for a fifty+ year old horn. I'm debating with myself if I should stick with my rose brass screw bell 8D or buy this vintage one. The one thing I didn't like about it, though, was the fact that the trigger sunk so far down, you know? My thumb had to work really hard and fast! Also, the thing was yellow brass. I thought that this horn was only available in nickel silver at that time, if I am correct. Can someone verify that for me? What do all of you think? Also, has anyone had any trouble before with stripping the threads on a screw bell horn? How do you make sure that the bell is in the right spot before you screw it on? Is there any danger like that when you unscrew the bell? What do I need to be aware of and watch out for? I've never done this to metal before, but I don't want to experience it on my new Tumbleweed (possibly my new baby horn's name- because of the abuse and dents it will have to endure!) Mr. Bonner, I think you're out of town now, but if you have time when you come back and read this, can you go play that old horn and give me your opinion? I liked the darker tone of the new one better, but I am naive and inexperienced. -Brittany Davies ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jdelarosa%40ameritech.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] CONN 28D
I recall seeing some Conn serial numbers stamped into the bar that holds the three finger levers. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stripping threads on a screw bell
Hey, no problems on this one. Take un bell-ed horn out of case, Clamp in vice. With a 2lb hammer and centre punch, mark a dot on the collar where the thread starts, with a good punch to make it visible. Take the bell and locate the point where its thread starts. Put piece of 3x1 across the flare so you can trap it in the vice and put a dot on the collar of that too. Now, you can always simply line up the dots for the point where the threads mate and bingo! No crossed threads anymore. In fact, if you do it with the bell already on, it will never be a problem, ever again. Guaranteed. Gotta be seen running v fast... Paul (Seriously though - finding the take up points will work, and a teeny dot of black paint on the two parts will help - like they do on Pentax bayonet-fit camera lenses) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stripping threads on a screw bell
Here's a method which doesnt visibly scar your horn. Take the bell and before turning it to screw it on reverse the direction until the threads are aligned then do a 180 and screw it back on :) Reversing the direction of the threads enables the threads to align themselves without damage to the horn. -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tone and recording equipment
Michael K wondered Hello, I'm 15 years old... and I think I play fine. BUT when I have recorded myself on a cassette player (a small, one speaker, one microphoned GE cassette player) I think I am playing great when I'm recording it, BUT when I play it back...I SOUND HORRIBLE! There are murmurs or a fuzzy kind of note when I attack, and my tone isn't as good, I sound like a begginer Horn barely picking up the instrument for the first time in my life! Any suggestions? ** Hello, I'm 56 years old... and I think you should get a recording of a hornplayer you admire. Then play that back instead. This is a lot less expensive than getting a new recorder, and it requires less patience than practicing until you sound better. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Re: Recording and equipment
Sorry, Germania, it is VIBRATOT not virbrato. And what for ? Vibrato is one of the last things to explore on the horn. First comes the absolute steady tone, which might eventually gloom just because it is steady beautiful relaxed. Do not recommend to look for the luxury on the horn BEFORE the average techniques are explored mastered, please. We listen to too many young players during auditions, who use all this kind of luxury or advanced techniques on the horn, but fail at the most simple excerpt because missing the basic technique of the horn of the music. = -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von germania Gesendet: Samstag, 31. Mai 2003 16:05 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Hornlist] Re: Recording and equipment I hate to say it, but I always thought that I was not that great of a player, just determined. Then when I needed to make a recording for some summer camps I was pleasantly surprised that on 15-20yr old recording equipment my tone was fantastic, even though the speakers vibrated like a snare drum on the concert D pitch (A on the horn). Just a tip, the true master of their instrument is not the person who plays everything technically perfect, but the person who plays their instrument with unrivaled beauty. I would suggest that you in addition to what others said work on doing long tones with dynamics, scales, and learning new techniques such as virbrato, so that you have to focus just on the sound you make first. Good Luck! _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tone and recording equipment
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael K wondered Hello, I'm 15 years old... and I think I play fine. BUT when I have recorded myself on a cassette player (a small, one speaker, one microphoned GE cassette player) I think I am playing great when I'm recording it, BUT when I play it back...I SOUND HORRIBLE! There are murmurs or a fuzzy kind of note when I attack, and my tone isn't as good, I sound like a begginer Horn barely picking up the instrument for the first time in my life! Any suggestions? ** Hello, I'm 56 years old... and I think you should get a recording of a hornplayer you admire. Then play that back instead. This is a lot less expensive than getting a new recorder, and it requires less patience than practicing until you sound better. Gotta go, Cabbage Hello, I don't particularly care to mention my age but I agree with the other guys. You must practice for the purpose of achieving a great tone. One thing that I did when I was around 15 was to listen to a recording of a hornplayer whose tone I admired in the evenings in a dark room with my eyes closed and focused on the tone. Then I played the long tones. Your subconscious will help you accomplish your goal. Theories about amount of lip pucker and stuff like that will only distract you from your tone goals. The recording I used was Ormandy; Philadelphia Orchestra - Alfven: Midsummersnight Vigil - You'll know it when you hear it. The solo is played by Mason Jones. Another you might consider is the famous Bernstein/NYPO recording of Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony. The first horn solo is played by Tom Kenney. Jimmy Chambers had a contract commitment with Julliard to teach and could not make the tour. You don't want to become a hornjock (all technique and bonetone) or that nasal Willie Nelson style tone. You want to play with ao open throat to avoid that. About letting your subconscious help you, you could read Zen in the Art of Archery to give you a little insight into the phenomenon. It is actually a power of the mind and not some sort of supernatural thing like the Buddhists thought. Pianissimo studies are also essential. Clarke's Technical Studies for the Cornett are now public domain so ask one of your trumpet playing friends if you can xerox the 2nd and 3rd studies and then transpose them to the range of the horn starting from G above pedal tone C. They will reduce the pressure you need to play in the high register, make transposition easier, improve your breathing, improve your technique and also help with tone. If you want your own published copy, it can be ordered from Carl Fisher. They are not the type of thing for an assignment from your private teacher but he could check your progress from time to time. You also need Kopprasch, Gallay, Schantl and the others._ Gotta go A. R. Tremblay Tremblay __ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tremblay%40atlantic.net - Did you know? Atlantic.Net has been named one of the nations fastest-growing companies for three years in a row. Visit www.atlantic.net to learn more. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Baumann on Philips
They are all out of print. You can still find a cd on the Eloquence label in Europe that has the Gliere concerto, Dukas Villanelle, Charbrier, and Pokorny Concerto with ASMF I believe. Eloquence is a budget label from Universal Classics which now owns DG, Decca/London, and Phillips. You can find a lot of great older recordings on Eloquence with such orchestras as Berlin, Vienna, Chicago, London, etc. Good Luck Hunting. Stuart --- James Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone on the list verify if Baumann's recordings on the Philips label are still available? I've been searching both on the Philips website amd a general search on Tower Records, but all attempts have been mostly in vain. Has Philips taken these recordings out of production? I'm looking specifically for the recordings he made with the Academy of St. Martin's with Iona Brown conducting. If they are not are there any record archive sites that exist that might provide used copies or backstock? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Jim Green Minneapolis, MN Searching for the best free email? Try MetaCrawler Mail, from the #1 metasearch service on the Web, http://www.metacrawler.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/intrubul%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Tone and recording equipment
In a message dated 5/31/03 1:00:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: usually am satisfied with my tone, and I think I play fine. BUT when I have recorded myself on a cassette player (a small, one speaker, one microphoned GE cassette player) I think I am playing great when I'm recording it, BUT when I play it back...I SOUND HORRIBLE Many of the cheap small cassette players with the microphone built in have a feature where the machine regulates its own volume for recording. That usually works fairly well for recording voices but when you play something suddenly pretty loud, like a horn, the recorder frantically tries to turn itself down resulting in a very bizarre sound for attacks. It also takes away all your dynamics. I had a cassette player like that way back in High School (I think it was a GE too) and I experienced the same horror on listening to playbacks until somebody clued me in to what was happening. See if you can find a friend with a good quality recorder to reassure yourself that you really sound fine! Best wishes - Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] williams concerto
So does anyone know if this John Williams concerto is finished? Robert ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
