Re: [Hornlist] The not so classic Conn 8D's
You won't hear me complain, that's for sure. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time. The horn belonged to my former high school horn teacher. He had decided to purchase a Berg and just decided it wasn't financially wise to have 2 horns. He had tears in his eyes as he signed over ownership to me. I didn't understand why back then, but I sure do now. Josh - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] The not so classic Conn 8D's > Must be nice to have a lewis.. > > Hoss > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornpreux%40hotmail.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Publishing your own Transcriptions
Hello. I've been doing a LOT of transcriptions lately for my own private library for Horn and piano and horn quartet of older public domain music (Bach, Vivaldi, nothing later than Mendelssohn) and over two years I've amassed quite a bit even though I'm redoing a lot of it right now just to make it cleaner. I've always wanted to publish some music or transcriptions just to fill a couple of voids in horn repertoire of great works that I think Horn players would love and was wondering what it takes to get your music published, including the costs, etc. I've always felt that there are a number of works that have never been transcribed for Horn that would make great music for us, and I also feel that there are some transcriptions of decent music that is very sub par to what it should be. It's not an immediate project, I'm only looking for pointers from those with experience in this matter. -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Continuation of alloy question...
Thanks for your input, so along the same lines, would a large throated horn of a rose brass alloy be overloading it? All of the horns I've played have been 8D's but with different alloys. I've read that with the rose brass you're supposed to be able to play loud without a brassy edge. I personally liked being able to sound brassy if I wanted. Do you guys agree with that aspect of rose brass? I think I've been attracted to the rose brass ever since I knew it existed, perhaps superficially. I suppose it always comes down to trying them out before making a decision. Thanks for letting me know about the Southeast Workshop. I just moved here from Kansas City, MO and have realized from numerous phone calls that I'm probably going to have to go to Georgia to try out horns. Diana ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Conn 8D-Is my instrument a "New" 8D?
I purchased a new Conn 8D in June 2000. First thing I did was try all the 8D instruments in the store inventory at the time. From internet notes I collected, and readings I tested the notes generated by each valve and rejected instruments where a valve gave a "different sound". When down to two horns I played each for an hour. I finally selected one of the horns because of better action in the valves. Only problem with the horn was the springing action of the tubing where the main tuning valve is inserted made it difficult for me to reinsert the main tuning slide without applying some pressure against the tubing; store repair shop fixed it before purchase. I also contacted the factory directly and learned that the newer 8Ds with tapered valves are an improvement over the older models---fewer returns to the factory. The instruction folder with the instrument was useless in explaining how you tune the instrument--- it had no instructions. The internet instructions were great and explained well problems people have with the "shared tuning" (Bb/F) instrument.I believe Holton now has a model copy of the 8D with shared tuning (or is it Yamaha). One fellow who contacted me via internet wanted to make me an offer of his 8D with price greatly reduced; appears he had tubing of the horn shortened to play in tune and end result was the F side was permanently flat; offer rejected. Unfortunately he seems to have his horn customized before he knew what was wrong. For those who play some other make of horn and then have suddenly a Conn 8D put in your hands, some short instruction. For tuning you tune the Bb side first on the open horn (no valves)and adjust the main tuning slide (slide nearest the mouthpiece. When done what you should discover is that the F side is in tune or somewhat sharp; you then pull out the F slide nearest the bell until in tune. On the topside of the horn is the slide to clear water (only slide moveable on top other than the 6 valve slides) and should be in the full-in position. I adjust the 6 slides one at a time i.e. 1st valve activated and all overtones within the reasonable range adjusted against the tempered scale via a tuner. Next activate 2nd valve, then 3d. When finished begins the compromise adjustment for the combination valves 2 and 3 until satisfied. Some players have problems with the "shared tuning" type instrument like the Conn 8D. Namely if you cannot focus the tonal center of a note on the Bb side in-tune, the F side of the instrument will be out of tune. This problem is not unique to the Conn 8D. It takes practice on any make horn whether it is "shared tuning" or "independent tuning" to put the instrument in-tune with itself on the Bb and F sides. As far as a school system keeping any horn in its inventory that plays inherently from the factory out of tune--- that doesn't say much about the intelligence of the school administration ; let me know what school it is and my child will not go there. When making judgements about the Conn 8D (or any make instrument) remember that one instrument played does not a generalization make. jim buchholz ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Cold sores, etc
In a message dated 10/9/2003 2:00:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have been dealing with cold sores for many years I have dealt with frequent cold sores since I was a teenager. Most of mine were brought on by stress (nerves), but the last two times I developed cold sores, right prior to an upcoming performance, I took a straight pin and actually lanced the blisters. I cleaned the wound with a dab of alcohol, and have been blister-free since. I don't know if I don't get them regularly now coincidentally or because of this method, but that's been my method of treatment. Oh, it hurt like #@&*, but I don't get them on a regular basis any longer. Last episode was well over three years ago. Sandi Taylor ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Question about tone produced from different alloys.
A good discussion of metals is included in the book by Richard Merewether entiteled "the horn..the Horn" Check out Paxman's web site . That part of the book may be in the metals section on their horns since Merewether was their Designer. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Question about tone produced from different alloys.
I find the opposite...which is why the 8d works so great in the studio and I always like the sound of the medium brass horns from a distance in the hall as opposed to close up... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Purely an opinion from my own playing, but I find the nickel silver sound works best for me on big horns, to be heard from a distance, and I prefer brass for smaller instruments to be heard close up. Then again, that's how instruments tend to be designed, anyway. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/nafai23%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Question about tone produced from different alloys.
Purely an opinion from my own playing, but I find the nickel silver sound works best for me on big horns, to be heard from a distance, and I prefer brass for smaller instruments to be heard close up. Then again, that's how instruments tend to be designed, anyway. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Throwin' the high heat (NHR)
Lawrence asked, "Is this a bit like cricket?" Well, a bit, though in baseball you don't stop for tea, and usually events occur in less time than an elephant's gestation period. Timothy A. Johnson Information Technologies Northwestern College St. Paul, Minnesota http://tajohnson.org ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Cold sores, etc
Back when I was playing a lot more than I do now, I frequently experienced very painful, small (presumably) infections deep in my upper lip on either side where the mouthpiece rested. The area became red and slightly swollen, but nothing ever came to the surface of the lip like a blister or boil. They only subsided if I stopped playing entirely, sometimes for a matter of weeks. I went to a variety of physicians and dermatologists with no diagnosis or explanation other than mouthpiece pressure. (I never played with inordinate pressure.) One physician speculated that I had "Fordyce's Condition". Has anyone else experienced this? If so, did you get an explanation, and how did you resolve or cope with it? Charles Valenza - Original Message - From: "Dr. Martin W. Layman" I am a dentist who also happens to be a hornist. If the cold sores are extraoral, i.e. the variety that tingles, then blisters and scabs, then the sore is recurrent herpes labialis. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Question about tone produced from different alloys.
You might want to have discussion with Michelle Stebelton there st FSU http://mailer.fsu.edu/~msteblet/ - Original Message - From: "Diana Li Lambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Question about tone produced from different alloys. > Hi everyone, > This is the first time posting to this list, but I hope you guys can help > me out. I've never owned my own horn, always borrowed, and I just had to > give my horn back to it's owner. I'd like to buy my own very soon and have > seen some conflicting information about the tone produced from different > metals. I've read that the warmth of the tone increases in this order: > yellow brass, rose brass, nickel silver. I've played on brass and nickel > and I must say that the tone seemed to be whatever I made of it, but if I'm > going to finally buy a horn I want to make sure and get one that fits > best. Has anyone noticed striking differences between these metals? Thanks > > Diana Li Lambert > Department of Oceanography > Florida State University > Tallahassee, FL 32306-4320 > (850) 644-2599 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rsmiley%40cttel.net > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Sinbad soundtrack
Hi List, Does anyone know who recorded the Sinbad soundtrack? I thought it had some awesome horn playing and was curious who was playing it. Thanks! -Kipp __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Question about tone produced from different alloys.
Hi everyone, This is the first time posting to this list, but I hope you guys can help me out. I've never owned my own horn, always borrowed, and I just had to give my horn back to it's owner. I'd like to buy my own very soon and have seen some conflicting information about the tone produced from different metals. I've read that the warmth of the tone increases in this order: yellow brass, rose brass, nickel silver. I've played on brass and nickel and I must say that the tone seemed to be whatever I made of it, but if I'm going to finally buy a horn I want to make sure and get one that fits best. Has anyone noticed striking differences between these metals? Thanks Diana Li Lambert Department of Oceanography Florida State University Tallahassee, FL 32306-4320 (850) 644-2599 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR 'symbols' and HR Tuning
I play on several different horns, so differences in tuning one might learn to compensate for can be a problem. I've developed almost a ritual I go through tuning my horns using a good quality tuner. The tuner should be one that accurately measures 'out of tune.' A horn, by the laws of physics, will always be out of tune with itself. What I strive for is to find the combination of compromises I've found from experience works best for me, with my mouthpiece. Once the open horn is in tune with itself, I determine where each valve combination wants to center, and how the horn responds when I lip it into tune. Very quickly you'll learn to recognize a pattern to this and you'll be able to set most any horn to the same pattern. If a valve or combination doesn't respond correctly, start looking for leaks. Surprisingly, unless the valves are extremely tight, a leak in a valve slide leaks even with the valve closed. Checking for leaks is easily done. Plug the bell, put a blow hose on the leadpipe, submerge the horn in a bathtub, and blow bubbles. More fun than a rubber ducky. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Throwin' the high heat (NHR)
Hi Bob and Bryan, Being an old school baseball fan (who also used to love the Tigers greatly) would love to see the BoSox and the Cubbies hook up in the series. It would be great, except that one team would have to lose. I can relate to how you feel Bob about the BoSox, as for almost 50 years Detroit had to wait for another Stanley Cup Championship. When it finally came in 1997 it was so wonderful. Bob, as to the 03 Major League affiliate of the Toledo Mud Hens, (I like one of the local sports radio stations in Detroit refuse to call them the Tigers) won't get any better until the owner cans the entire scouting staff or sells the team. They have had such terrible drafts for the past twenty years! One of the few decent players they drafted was John Smoltz, as you know, they traded him in '87 for Doyle Alexander...it looked good at the time, but it really came back to bite em in the butt... A long suffering fan (but not as long suffering as a fan of the BoSox or Cubbies at least we won in '68 and '84) of the major league affiliate of the Toledo Mud Hens...They couldn't even set the modern day record for losing, so they messed that up! Walt Lewis Lake St. Clair Symphony, St. Clair Shores, Michigan Grosse Pointe Symphony, Grosse Pointe, Michigan Warren Cultural Commission, Warren Michigan At 03:04 PM 10/8/03 -0400, you wrote: Hey Detroit Bryan! How 'bout those 2003 Tigers! Did you give up on them in April or in May? Yes, I remember who won in 1968, though I try to forget as in my former life I was a rabid Cardinals fan. I was referring to Gibson's amazing stats in the series: http://www.ford-mobley.com/players/bobg.htm, and the obvious ulnerability of today's pitchers. Last night? Hmmm... Thanks for rooting for the Olde Towne Team. We really could use a championship this millenium. Bob Marlatt Boston MA from: "Bryan Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Fenway Bob! Who won the 68 World Series? I believe it was the Tigers!! Also my apologies to the baseball illiterates, but please, Mr. Marlatt, do you not remember the last 30 game winner ?, Denny McClain and the incredible Mickey Lolich , who won 3 games in the 68 Series, beating the legendary Bob Gibson in the game that counted!!! BTW, I am rooting for the Red Sox big time this year, I no longer have a Tiger team to root for!!! Bryan - Original Message - From: "Robert Marlatt" Hey Bob: How come pitchers today don't have the endurance you guys had in the old days? The number you did on the Red Sox in '67, and that outstanding performance against Detroit in '68 are still the stuff of legends. Fenway Bob Marlatt Boston MA ps: My apologies to the baseball illiterates on this international list. > >from: "Bob Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/welewis%40myexcel.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Cold sores, etc
At 05:07 PM 10/8/2003, you wrote: I am a dentist who also happens to be a hornist. If the cold sores are extraoral, i.e. the variety that tingles, then blisters and scabs, then the sore is recurrent herpes labialis. I have been dealing with cold sores for many years, and I have a regular regime of 500 mg of L-Lysine daily which really seems to help control outbreaks. (Any I get now are fairly small.) You can find this amino acid in the vitamin section of any grocery or drug store. When I do get a blister, then I go for the Denavir ointment, available by prescription. I've never tried the Abreva, so I can't speak to its effectiveness. After the blister is gone and the scab is present, antibiotic ointment helps that to heal faster. Margaret Margaret Dikel JCCSO Librarian / Horn 11218 Ashley Drive, Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Speaking of the BBC Symphony...
The latest issue of BBC Music has a cd which features concert suites that film compsers made from their film scores. The first is Bernstein's "On the Waterfront". I'm not sure who is playing first in the BBC Symph. these days (Tim Brown, maybe?) but the opening horn solo is breathtaking, a must hear. In fact, the whole disc is great. Franz Waxman's Hollywood treatment of Wagner's "Tristan und Isolde" music is quite wonderful. Eric James ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
