Re: [Hornlist] Transposing in D
Good advice. Along these lines I'd like to mention something that works for me. It may or may not work for someone else but in any case here it is: For transposition practice my weakest key was C, so I took piano books of Bach or what have you (something lyrical or melodic line you can play) and just transposing it into F. If you can manage your way through a cello suite or something in C, a little Brahms in C isn't so bad. The same I suppose could be done with the key of D. Contrarily you could study some soli in the key of D. Haydn 1 perhaps? I also found a really neat Jazz improv book for 5 dollars that has about 150 various thirds, fourths, fifths, sixths, sevenths exercises all in the key of C (there are even some fun modal exercises in there too). The fun part of course is just picking a key - any key - and playing it by just transposing or playing by ear. Do it in two octaves I suppose, in a minor key, on the F side, the variations go on and on. Now on the other end of the spectrum I've seen trombone parts that were hand written more neatly than the original engraved parts from players that didn't want to read Alto clef for instance. Plus I wonder how many published parts to the second movement of Brahms 2 have at least one note penciled in somewhere. A few scribbled notes I suppose are allright, but the point I'm making is just don't overthink everything. It isn't too hard once you get over the hump. Once you get the hang of it, transposition isn't bad, and it's actually very fun sometimes. -William In a message dated 4/16/2004 11:09:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael, you can calculate things here. Transposing from F tonality (our main tonality) down to D is how many semi-tones ? = Three semi-tones or 1 1/2 full steps or a minor third, if this means something to you. Adding two sharps to the key signature helps much indeed. But this is just for C-tonality instruments as violin, oboe, C-trumpet, etc., but for our F-horn thinking we have to add ´THREE sharps not two. Speaking for F-horn notated C-major it means that we will have to play F-horn notated A-major, which has three sharps. Your questions as below: A becomes f# ( A - 2 full steps = F + 1/2 step up makes F#). F will become just D. The key signature change does NOT apply for the annotated music, it is just relevant for the new OUTPUT of notes. Got it ? E - D - E becomes ? Well, if you add two sharps to the (new) scale, there would be C# & F#, right. So there would be NO "C", but "C#" and E - D - E would become C# - H (= Bnat.) - C#. If you see E - D# - E it would become C# - H# (Bnat.# = in fact it is equal to C)) - C#. And, my goodness, as D# is 1/2 step below E, it could not sound the same as E. A bit more thinking, Michael. And a good hint: Do not get hooked with the note by note transposing. You must become capable to see any melody even contemporanean as an ASSEMBLY of INTERVALS. Then, transpose the whole line. You must become capable to recognize IRREGULARITIES in a melodic line or within a scale or half scale, seen in relation to the given tonality of the piece or the movement or the part of the movement. If you reach this point, any sight reading or even transposing will become children stuff easy. If you stay with the "fingering system note by note" , transposing & sight reading will remain a nightmare for lifetime. It is up to you to make progress. Try singing your parts, even your singer voice is not nice, but do it with best intonation. Just a short melody. Then transpose it & sing it. It helps a lot to understand the system. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Transposing in D
Sorry my bag. He said to add 3 sharps! I misread. Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Transposing in D
Hay its quick and easy just thumb your E/A+ valve and play it as if it was in Eb. Works for me and my Alex. John ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Transposing in D
Michael, you can calculate things here. Transposing from F tonality (our main tonality) down to D is how many semi-tones ? = Three semi-tones or 1 1/2 full steps or a minor third, if this means something to you. Adding two sharps to the key signature helps much indeed. But this is just for C-tonality instruments as violin, oboe, C-trumpet, etc., but for our F-horn thinking we have to add ´THREE sharps not two. Speaking for F-horn notated C-major it means that we will have to play F-horn notated A-major, which has three sharps. Your questions as below: A becomes f# ( A - 2 full steps = F + 1/2 step up makes F#). F will become just D. The key signature change does NOT apply for the annotated music, it is just relevant for the new OUTPUT of notes. Got it ? E - D - E becomes ? Well, if you add two sharps to the (new) scale, there would be C# & F#, right. So there would be NO "C", but "C#" and E - D - E would become C# - H (= Bnat.) - C#. If you see E - D# - E it would become C# - H# (Bnat.# = in fact it is equal to C)) - C#. And, my goodness, as D# is 1/2 step below E, it could not sound the same as E. A bit more thinking, Michael. And a good hint: Do not get hooked with the note by note transposing. You must become capable to see any melody even contemporanean as an ASSEMBLY of INTERVALS. Then, transpose the whole line. You must become capable to recognize IRREGULARITIES in a melodic line or within a scale or half scale, seen in relation to the given tonality of the piece or the movement or the part of the movement. If you reach this point, any sight reading or even transposing will become children stuff easy. If you stay with the "fingering system note by note" , transposing & sight reading will remain a nightmare for lifetime. It is up to you to make progress. Try singing your parts, even your singer voice is not nice, but do it with best intonation. Just a short melody. Then transpose it & sing it. It helps a lot to understand the system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 6:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Transposing in D Hey everyone, I'm learning to transpose in D, and in the Art of French Horn Playing Mr. Farkas said to add 2 mental sharps to the key signature. The part that confuses me is this, if the key signature has all naturals, and I have an A in the staff, do I play the transposed A, as an F#? Or if I see (on the page) an F (natural), I see it as a F# and play the note as D#? One more question. If the key on the page is all naturals and I see E, D, E do I play it as C B (natural) C? And then if I see E D# E what do I play? C C C? Mike PS: yeah I know I got to really pay attention in English class because all my grammar in these emails suck and get confusing. Sorry ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Munich and More
FYI, I checked out the Baverian State Opera website to see whom Mr. P was referring to: http://www.bayerische.staatsoper.de/c.php/index_bso.php?l=de&dom=dom1 I then did a search/display of their April 2004 schedule. Compared to the any USA arts center beyond New York City the volume and scope of activity is phenomenal. As pointed out by Bob Marlatt, Munich is very special place for music (as are Berlin and Vienna). But there are many other German cities whose offerings might give "any USA arts center beyond New York City" a run for its money. Mannheim, for example, fields an "A" orchestra (no frills, and plenty of orchestras in front of them in the pecking order). Excluding early music, modern premieres, ballets, and the orchestra's own concert series, last season Mannheim had the following operas on the boards: Aida, Andrea Chénier, Bluebeard's Castle, Boris Godounov, Carmen, Cav/Pag, Das Rheingold, Der fliegende Holländer, The Queen of Sheba, Die Walküre, Don Giovanni, A Midsummer Night's Dream, La clemenza di Tito, Elektra, Götterdämmerung, Hänsel und Gretel, I masnadieri, Idomeneo, La Bohème, Lohengrin, Madame Butterfuly, Mitridate, Nabucco, Otello, Parsifal, Siegfried, Turandot, Un ballo in maschera. Did I mention that Mannheim's population is about 320,000? Bill Melton Hauset (B) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Transposing in D
I find it easier to think of the interval when transposing most keys. Read D down a minor third. D horn F horn --- CA C# A# DB D# C EC# FD F# D# GE G# F AF# A# G BG# The add two sharps thing is after you drop the name of the note by two. Ie, A drops to F, but is one of the two sharps so it is F#. Ditto for E dropping to C, but is the other of the two sharps so it is C#. It gets kind of confusing when you get accidentals. In the example you give, the notes (E, D, E) should be played (C#, B, C#). The notes (E, D#, E) should be played (C#, C, C#). -- Bruce Kelley in Redmond, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Transposing in D Hey everyone, I'm learning to transpose in D, and in the Art of French Horn Playing Mr. Farkas said to add 2 mental sharps to the key signature. The part that confuses me is this, if the key signature has all naturals, and I have an A in the staff, do I play the transposed A, as an F#? Or if I see (on the page) an F (natural), I see it as a F# and play the note as D#? One more question. If the key on the page is all naturals and I see E, D, E do I play it as C B (natural) C? And then if I see E D# E what do I play? C C C? Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Transposing in D
Hey everyone, I'm learning to transpose in D, and in the Art of French Horn Playing Mr. Farkas said to add 2 mental sharps to the key signature. The part that confuses me is this, if the key signature has all naturals, and I have an A in the staff, do I play the transposed A, as an F#? Or if I see (on the page) an F (natural), I see it as a F# and play the note as D#? One more question. If the key on the page is all naturals and I see E, D, E do I play it as C B (natural) C? And then if I see E D# E what do I play? C C C? Mike PS: yeah I know I got to really pay attention in English class because all my grammar in these emails suck and get confusing. Sorry ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Buffalo Audition
Well here it is Guys: The winner of the BPO audition for 1st horn.Jacek Muzyk, currently associate 1st horn in Dallas, and from Poland. A wonderful player. Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: New Invention
Hallo, I have seen something like this before on an Oboe. Used by a Player who had a Weakness in her Thumb. Did you know that Alexander in Mainz is now selling what they call a "Hornstuetze" (Horn Support) which is almost identical in its Principle to a Pipstick. I wonder if Pip Eastop approves? Have you all seen his Web Site? It's very interesting and informative. Greetings, Benno Haven't I seen this before? The Pip Stick? Chris (yes I know they are different) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Testing, Testing...
In a message dated 16/04/2004 20:04:50 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone checked the gates at the Phunny Pharm lately? Paul Mansur On Friday, April 16, 2004, at 01:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Gangling grollocks and wiggled blats > > Yes You may well ask! After what I've been reading on this list these last few days, my words (In reply to Ray Crenshaw's posting - hi Ray, welcome back) are pearls of wisdom! All the best, Lawrence By the way, somewhere along the line my postings are being stripped of their carriage returns so everything comes out as one long paragraph. Is everyone getting them like that or is AOL just being AOL again? "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Testing, Testing...
Has anyone checked the gates at the Phunny Pharm lately? Paul Mansur On Friday, April 16, 2004, at 01:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gangling grollocks and wiggled blats Yes "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmansur%40bellsouth.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Testing, Testing...
Gangling grollocks and wiggled blats Yes "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Testing, Testing...
Eyein' swine... dry, fear, funk... jrc ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Testing, Testing...
In a message dated 16/04/2004 18:38:54 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eyein' swine... dry, fear, funk... Gangling grollocks and wiggled blats Yes "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The Brice Is Right (requesting Brice Andrus e-mail address)
Hello all, I'm Ray Crenshaw and I used to hang around here. From that, you may infer that I there came a time when I no longer hung around here and therefore, I'm now hanging around here again. The REAL reason for this letter is this: I'm looking to get in touch with an old friend by e-mail, and hope someone here may be able to send me his address... OFF-LIST, of course. (or izzit, "OFF-LISZT, of Cor-se?") SEARCHING: I'm looking for someone who can privately send me an e-mail address for Brice Andrus of the Atlanta Symphony. We're old friends, and have corresponded by snail-mail and e-mail over the years, but I've long since lost his e-mail address. I hate to call and bother him when I could just digitally blast his inbox, to be read at his leisure. Can anyone help? jrc ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
Perhaps not so often in the orchestra, but I played trombones (some of the time as a paid performer) also in dance bands, jazz groups, concert bands, brass bands and brass ensembles, and as a church soloist, all of which usually called for playing for much longer than two minutes at a time. The only instrument for which I needed the Ergobone was the Holton Superbone -- also played frequently by Ashley Alexander and sometimes by Maynard Ferguson. Alexander used a strap of his own invention to hold the beast (which also has beastly intonation). Ferguson seems to be able to hold it without any aids, but perhaps only for two minutes at a time. Horn related content: the Superbone, like the horn, has valves that are fingered with the left hand. Peter W. Schroth Hans wrote: > > Does a trombonist ever hold his bone longer than two minutes (in the > orchestra on stage or in the pit ) ? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Currency (was: Slide Lubricants) NHR
Someone: Just my two Euros... Tom Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I may be mistaken but, is not the expression 'my two cents'? You are both incorrect. The expression is actually, "my two baht." from: Hans Pizka) Incorrect Again, the small coin in Thailand would be "satang" not "baht". I stand corrected. Thai "satang" therefore equals "chump change" in East Boston. Bob Marlatt ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
Not to mention that you could also be running with it, trip, and poke
yourself in the eye. Its all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.
I played next to a similar "gizmo" in high school who hurt my lip sometimes.
Her name was Ann and she would zone out quite frequently during rehearsals.
Then when I would play an entrance, she'd startle and jerk her horn up into
position, usually elbowing my bell. I developed this nervous habit of
twisting slightly to my left before entrances.
Josh
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From: "David Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I think that there is a danger that this gizmo can hurt your lip.
> Imagine that while you are playing, you lift the horn slightly (swinging,
> swaying, just breathing...) so that the stick leaves the floor. If you
> are still playing when it comes down again, the horn will stop suddenly,
> mashing your lips and teeth. Or at least making your lip slide off the
> horn. No?
>
>
> { David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
> { Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
> { Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] New invention
Haven't I seen this before? The Pip Stick? Chris (yes I know they are different) --- "Peter W. Schroth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The trombone version is wonderful for some extremely heavy > bass trombones and for trombones requiring an awkward left > hand position, such as the Holton Superbone. I can't even > hold a Superbone in playing position for more than five > minutes without it. > > For the horn, though, I find it difficult to see the value > of this device, except for players with a physical > handicap. There have sometimes been complaints about very > heavy triple horns; would it help with that? > > "Jaakko Välimäki" wrote: > > > > Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! > > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
