[Hornlist] 2005 Southeast Horn Workshop
Just a reminder that the deadline for early registration for the Southeast Horn Workshop is approaching! Saturday January 22 is the last day to register at the $70 price. After that, the price goes up to $80. Registration is available online, or you can mail in a check. This year's workshop will be held February 25–27, 2005 at the North Carolina School of the Arts in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Featured artists include: David Jolley, renowned soloist and chamber musician Stefan Jezierski of the Berlin Philharmonic William Caballero, principal horn of the Pittsburgh Symphony Jacek Muzyk, principal horn of the Buffalo Philharmonic For more information visit: http://www.southeasthornworkshop.org/ -- Greg Campbell, webmaster 2005 Southeast Horn Workshop February 25-27, 2005 - North Carolina School of the Arts http://www.southeasthornworkshop.org/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] 2005 Southeast Horn Workshop
Just a reminder that the deadline for early registration for the Southeast Horn Workshop is approaching! Saturday January 22 is the last day to register at the $70 price. After that, the price goes up to $80. Registration is available online, or you can mail in a check. http://www.southeasthornworkshop.org/ This year's workshop will be held February 25–27, 2005 at the North Carolina School of the Arts in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Featured artists include: David Jolley renowned soloist and chamber musician Stefan Jezierski of the Berlin Philharmonic William Caballero principal horn of the Pittsburgh Symphony Jacek Muzyk principal horn of the Buffalo Philharmonic For more information visit: http://www.southeasthornworkshop.org/ -- Greg Campbell, webmaster 2005 Southeast Horn Workshop February 25-27, 2005 - North Carolina School of the Arts http://www.southeasthornworkshop.org/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Partials (hitting the fundamental)
You are incorrect, sir. Perhaps your mistake stems from the fact that you do not play with professional trumpet players. The first harmonic (fundamental) of the 4.5 foot Bb trumpet (one octave about the fundamental of the Bb horn) exists and is easily playable by a professional. I am surprised that someone on this list does not know the harmonic series. Didn't you listen when Professor Pizka also stated that this note exists and is playable? This note is Bb a major ninth below the piano's middle c. Are you reading these facts from some book...urban legend...practical experience...one wonders. Scott --- Ray & Sonja Crenshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...but believe me, trumpets will play the pedal > tones!! > > > Sorry Scott, > Looks like you'd better pour yourself a bowl of > cornflakes and sit back. Trumpets will NOT > play pedal tones. The only way a trumpet can play a > pedal tone is if we were to change the > definition of the term "pedal tone." Let's not. > > You see, if you have three bean burritos and a large > Coke for lunch you can simply wait > for the right "moment," stick a piccolo down the > back of your shorts and demonstrate how > the piccolo can play 6-ledger lines below the bass > clef staff. But Scott, it wouldn't be a > pedal tone. > > In the parlance of this (and any other) brass > instrument list, words have meaning. "Pedal > tone" has a meaning, and it is the fundamental of > the instrument's employed length. This > length can (of course) be changed by the use of > valves. So here's one for you... > > CAUTION - THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT WILL USE > "AS-WRITTEN" PITCHES. IF YOU CAN'T REFER TO > "AS-WRITTEN" PITCHES ON A LIST OF NOTHING BUT HORN > PLAYERS, THEN YOU NEED A NEW HOBBY: > > I CAN play the basement "C" that's been talked-up > here recently. However, I cannot play > the F-horn's "fundamental "C" > > I can play the pedal F on the Bb horn, then go > chromatically downward 'til I'm resting on > the C (trigger, 1 + 3), but I cannot play that same > pitch as an open note on the F-horn. > Oh, once in a blue moon I can, but only about > 3-times in 35 years. > > Trumpets do not play pedal tones, they play > facetious notes, as outlined both in my > burrito story and Professor Pizka's "special word" > which I haven't looked up, but probably > translates roughly to the English word "f*rt." So, > here's what I've noticed; feel free to > disagree, but be sure to have your cornflakes on > standby: > > Bb Trumpet - cylindrical, but can't play PT's (also, > C, D, Eb and both A & Bb Pic > trumpets... NO PT's) > Cornet - conical, but still no PT's > Vienna rotary trumpet - MORE conical, but no PT's > Flugelhorn - even more conical with tiny leadpipe, > mouthpiece bore and smaller tubing, > PLAYS PT's > Eb Alto horn (and all its evil kin) - pedal tones > out the wazoo... and sounds like it! > Horn - conical to (ahem!) beat the band, Bb side > does very usable PT's. F-side can, but > it's tough to make a living at it > Trombone - cylindrical, but plays PT's like a duck > on a Junebug > Bass trombone - James Bond of Pedal Tone Land. > Players carry a special "green card" that > reads, "007; license to f*rt!" > Tuba & Euphonium - "'Pedal Tone' is our middle > name!" > > Have a nice breakfast! (kidding) > > jrc in SC > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] MD Recorders
Isn't that the truth... -William In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:55:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So many toys, so little money... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] MD Recorders
So many toys, so little money... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:32 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] MD Recorders Oh yes, and also most quality MP3 players have up to 60 gigs of storage space - they use an actual hard disk, so you don't have to buy pricey compact flash memory cards. -William In a message dated 1/15/2005 9:10:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can swing it, the Edirol R1 is a very cool thing, as it records at 24 bits. MP3 format is a drag for music with any degree of dynamic change. This records onto Compact Flash cards (used in digi cameras, etc.) The bigger memory cards are pricey, but I thing this is the next wave of cool portable audio. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] MD Recorders
At 05:48 PM 1/15/05 -0800, Chris Tedesco wrote: >It's about time for me to buy a minidisc recorder. The latest Sony MD recorder uses a new scheme which allows varying amounts of storage at different compression rates. Some are transferrable at high speed digitally via USB to computer. It uses both the old standard MD and new 1 gig discs. Check it out at the Sony site. John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] MD Recorders
Oh yes, and also most quality MP3 players have up to 60 gigs of storage space - they use an actual hard disk, so you don't have to buy pricey compact flash memory cards. -William In a message dated 1/15/2005 9:10:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can swing it, the Edirol R1 is a very cool thing, as it records at 24 bits. MP3 format is a drag for music with any degree of dynamic change. This records onto Compact Flash cards (used in digi cameras, etc.) The bigger memory cards are pricey, but I thing this is the next wave of cool portable audio. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] MD Recorders
I have a Rio Karma mp3 player already, and being familiar with those products, an MD recorder is much cheaper! Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Do a google search on the Creative Nomad Jukebox MP3 players or the iRiver > MP3 player. Both record digitally in many high quality formats. > > -William > > In a message dated 1/15/2005 7:49:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > It's about time for me to buy a minidisc recorder. > > Only I know very little about them because I did all of my previous > recordings > with overly complex and expensive systems owned by my undergrad's music > department. > > I already have a good lead on a microphone, but the actual recorder itself > is > foreign to me. > > One thing I have heard, is that some MD recorders only do analog out because > > of > possible copyright infringements. Is this is something to consider when > buying, or is the loss of quality minimal? > > Any input would be greatly appreciated! > > > Chris > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] MD Recorders
The MP3 players I mentioned have an option of recording in 48kbps WAV format. That's about as digital as you can get. There will be no audio degradation at that resolution as far as I'm aware. Plus you can click and drag the files to your computer and burn them later. -William In a message dated 1/15/2005 9:10:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can swing it, the Edirol R1 is a very cool thing, as it records at 24 bits. MP3 format is a drag for music with any degree of dynamic change. This records onto Compact Flash cards (used in digi cameras, etc.) The bigger memory cards are pricey, but I thing this is the next wave of cool portable audio. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] MD Recorders
Chris, If you can swing it, the Edirol R1 is a very cool thing, as it records at 24 bits. MP3 format is a drag for music with any degree of dynamic change. This records onto Compact Flash cards (used in digi cameras, etc.) The bigger memory cards are pricey, but I thing this is the next wave of cool portable audio. I've been told that there was once a Sony mini disc recorder that had digital out, but was taken off the market. I don't recall the model, and I am also they are hard to find on eBay. If you are recording at 24 bits, as possible on the edirol, the files are fat, but extremely good. Here's a random link that shows the unit. Orlando http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--EDIR1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Tedesco Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:49 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] MD Recorders It's about time for me to buy a minidisc recorder. Only I know very little about them because I did all of my previous recordings with overly complex and expensive systems owned by my undergrad's music department. I already have a good lead on a microphone, but the actual recorder itself is foreign to me. One thing I have heard, is that some MD recorders only do analog out because of possible copyright infringements. Is this is something to consider when buying, or is the loss of quality minimal? Any input would be greatly appreciated! Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] MD Recorders
Do a google search on the Creative Nomad Jukebox MP3 players or the iRiver MP3 player. Both record digitally in many high quality formats. -William In a message dated 1/15/2005 7:49:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's about time for me to buy a minidisc recorder. Only I know very little about them because I did all of my previous recordings with overly complex and expensive systems owned by my undergrad's music department. I already have a good lead on a microphone, but the actual recorder itself is foreign to me. One thing I have heard, is that some MD recorders only do analog out because of possible copyright infringements. Is this is something to consider when buying, or is the loss of quality minimal? Any input would be greatly appreciated! Chris ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] MD Recorders
It's about time for me to buy a minidisc recorder. Only I know very little about them because I did all of my previous recordings with overly complex and expensive systems owned by my undergrad's music department. I already have a good lead on a microphone, but the actual recorder itself is foreign to me. One thing I have heard, is that some MD recorders only do analog out because of possible copyright infringements. Is this is something to consider when buying, or is the loss of quality minimal? Any input would be greatly appreciated! Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Intonation in different registers - update
I originally mentioned key of concert Ab - I meant concert Db (horn Ab) Find a single setting for the slides that allows 'proper sounding' major scales in the keys of concert: F, Eb, Db, G, A, Bb, and C. After that, it is up to the player! Jay Kosta Endwell NY amateur player ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
The issue of intonation on horn is difficult for me also. The same problems happen for me regardless of the equipment I have used, an old King single-F, or my more modern 'pro' level horns. A horn (or just about any brass instrument) does not really 'want' to play in tune without exact control by the player. It is the player, through proper use of technique, that makes the horn produce the proper pitch and tone. The various tuning slides cannot themselves solve the tuning problem, the job of the slides is to allow adjustment so that it is possible for the player to produce the desired pitch in the various ranges, modes, key signatures, etc. Find a single setting for the slides that allows 'proper sounding' major scales in the keys of concert: F, Eb, Ab, G, A, Bb, and C. After that, it is up to the player! Welcome to the struggle Jay Kosta Endwell NY amateur player ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] audition pieces suggestion
I would suggest: Maxime Alphonse: book 5 no.1 (also a very good warm up Gallay: Preludes sans mesures no.32 Both quite short. But the first one shows range & musicality, while the second piece works well as a demonstration of musical phantasy. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of neuro Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:15 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] audition pieces suggestion Can someone there give me some suggestion ? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
That fact is the reason why not tuning the horn WITH concert a, but getting the concert a from the piano & play the 8th harmonic (concert f1, our c2 2nd space from top) & adjust by listening to the interval. If you tune with the flat concert a of the horn (our e2), the whole horn will go sharp. Again, at our audition two out of eighteen candidates tuned their horn to a given concert e-flat (for the Mozart concerto) by playing the same note (our bb1) with the first valve employed off course. Absolutely insane. How can anybody tune the main instrument, when it is not at the basic position ??? The teachers of these candidates should be stripped off their teaching position. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:32 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers The 5th and 10th partials are each about 14 cents flat, but in tune with just intonation. In your case I would expect a beginner to get the 10th harmonic with more difficulty and consequently flatter than the 5th harmonic. Your lip is weak and you don't have the flexibility or strength to bend these notes other than let them sag. Pinching is quite unproductive so don't try that. The design of the horn and position of the slides is a red herring. You'd do the same on anything, I suspect. Paul Mansur On Saturday, January 15, 2005, at 01:03 PM, Steve Freides wrote: > As my range slowly increases and my familiarity with the horn also > increases, I've noticed that the 10th partial (written top space E, > concert > A) is decidedly flatter than the 5th partial (written bottom line E) > on my > horn; not by a lot but it's noticeable. And for that matter, the 8th > partial is flatter than the 4th. All of this played on open F horn on > my > 1924 Conn 4D single with a Giardinelli C12 mouthpiece. My question: > > Is the slight flatness of this register due to me or the design of my > horn, ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Haydn 2?
At measure 95 ff. is a similar figure wit 1/16 1/16 1/8 rest 1/8 1/8 1/8, while at measures 115 ff reads triplet 1/8ths (not triple 8th) & four 8ths in a similar movement. Consider the rather high tempo, so the triplets (using some accent on the front note) might come out rather in a way as you described, if the performer does not take special care about the difference between the two spots. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Tedesco Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:14 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Haydn 2? In my edition of Haydn 2, the last movement has a figure noted "Triple 8th 8th 8th 8th" but, I think, all of the recordings have play the triple like 16th 16th 8th. What's the deal? Chris (At the very least the Baumann recording I have plays it like this.) __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Partials (hitting the fundamental)
This is not at all nonsense. Benade called them "privileged" or factitious notes. They can be played as well as they can because the higher harmonics are reinforced. You can (better than I can) bend the C below the staff down to the G below that *because* the G is reinforced. The important thing, however, is the playing, not the theory. This is, I gather, your point. This is like the interminable arguments about whether a first space F is an E brought up by the hand, or a G brought down. The answer is both. The snarl is caused by the hand shortening the horn, that is, the E being raised a half step. Again, the important thing is the playing: you finger a stopped note 1/2 step down. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry, this is mere nonsense. This bending down a third from low g below > staff is just a bending & has nothing to do with the e one octave > higher. You can also bend the low c down for a fourth and also the > fundamental for some degree. > > These lipped down notes may be names factitious notes as they do not > exist within the row of natural tones (or fundamental plus partials). > __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: F. Strauss op. 8
Does anyone have an approximate (or exact) composition date for Franz Strauss's Concerto, op. 8? If so, what's your source? Thanks, Amy M. I bet y'all thought I had another Gallay question, didn't ya?! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Poème Nocturne by Eechaute
Hello. I am seeking information on the piece 'Poème Nocturne' by Pr. van Eechaute. I would like to know the dates of this composer, and more about the piece. I'm playing it on my next recital on the 25th of this month, so I'm looking for more background about it. Also, how does one pronounce his last name? This piece is absolutely gorgeous, so I'm definitely curious about the background of the composer and/or the piece itself. -William ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Haydn 2?
In my edition of Haydn 2, the last movement has a figure noted "Triple 8th 8th 8th 8th" but, I think, all of the recordings have play the triple like 16th 16th 8th. What's the deal? Chris (At the very least the Baumann recording I have plays it like this.) __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pops suggestions
On Friday, January 14, 2005, at 10:14 PM, William VerMeulen wrote: Hello horn gang - As you might remember from my last posting I am trying very hard to access a score and parts to the horn and orchestra version of Graziani's Haydn Variations. At this writing we have not found the parts. They are no longer in the Israeli Brass Woodwind stacks. This being said, what other suitable pieces do you recommend for a Houston Symphony Pops programs entitled Calssical knockouts? I am already performing the Una voce poco fa of Rossini from Barber of Seville. I need another short piece preferably in the pops vain but containing classical elements. The concert is in one month. Let me know what you think I should play. Thanks, How about Hunter's Moon? Paul Mansur William VerMeulen International Soloist and Recording Artist Professor of Horn - Rice University Shepherd School of Music Principal Horn Houston Symphony - Houston Symphony Chamber Players 5327 Dora St. Houston, TX 77005-1817 (713) 520-7234 (713) 818-4459 Cellular [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmansur%40bellsouth.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
The 5th and 10th partials are each about 14 cents flat, but in tune with just intonation. In your case I would expect a beginner to get the 10th harmonic with more difficulty and consequently flatter than the 5th harmonic. Your lip is weak and you don't have the flexibility or strength to bend these notes other than let them sag. Pinching is quite unproductive so don't try that. The design of the horn and position of the slides is a red herring. You'd do the same on anything, I suspect. Paul Mansur On Saturday, January 15, 2005, at 01:03 PM, Steve Freides wrote: As my range slowly increases and my familiarity with the horn also increases, I've noticed that the 10th partial (written top space E, concert A) is decidedly flatter than the 5th partial (written bottom line E) on my horn; not by a lot but it's noticeable. And for that matter, the 8th partial is flatter than the 4th. All of this played on open F horn on my 1924 Conn 4D single with a Giardinelli C12 mouthpiece. My question: Is the slight flatness of this register due to me or the design of my horn, ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
As my range slowly increases and my familiarity with the horn also increases, I've noticed that the 10th partial (written top space E, concert A) is decidedly flatter than the 5th partial (written bottom line E) on my horn; not by a lot but it's noticeable. And for that matter, the 8th partial is flatter than the 4th. All of this played on open F horn on my 1924 Conn 4D single with a Giardinelli C12 mouthpiece. My question: Is the slight flatness of this register due to me or the design of my horn, or it is even possible to know with me playing another horn and someone else playing mine? The top-space E isn't a note I can yet get consistently although I can sometimes play a few notes higher with the right preparation, but I can consistently and comfortably play the 8th partial, C, and the difference in intonation is there as well, so I don't think my playing ability is one of the variables in the equation here although I leave that for you to tell me. And one more question that may be related to the above. I have two tuning slides on my horn and, looking at it today, I saw that one is before the valves and one is after - might there be a difference in adjusting these two slides, both of which at the moment are equal at about 1 cm extension? Perhaps shortening one and lengthening the other might make a difference because one is further "down the line" than the other. (Since we're talking about open notes, the valves don't even enter into the discussion.) One thing I have noticed is that shortening the tuning slides a little allows me to relax a little more in the middle register but the lowest notes, e.g., the second partial, tend to get sharper. I guess I'm beginning to realize there is some sort of compromise going on here, and perhaps this is one of the things that a more modern horn might handle better. As always, everyone's experience and expertise is most appreciated, and thanks in advance for your replies. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Partials (hitting the fundamental)
Sorry, this is mere nonsense. This bending down a third from low g below staff is just a bending & has nothing to do with the e one octave higher. You can also bend the low c down for a fourth and also the fundamental for some degree. These lipped down notes may be names factitious notes as they do not exist within the row of natural tones (or fundamental plus partials). And with the trumpet. They can play their fundamental. The fundamental of the Bb-trumpet is equal the 1st partial of the bb-Horn or the f below staff on the F-horn. The Bb-trumpet is one octave higher than the Bb-horn. The factitious notes on the trumpet are those notes bent down from the first octave of the fundamental or/and from the fundamental. I might ask you, what kind of trumpeters do you speak off ? About some village trumpeters who play up into stratospheres (if) but neglecting all lower middle range & low range ? Same as many horn players who just count upon their high notes but having great difficulties entering with a middle range note as a1 or c1 and special with low c. Ask professionals & not village-fa..ers. Sorry, but the whole discussion about hitting the fundamental runs out of contriol. Is hitting the fundamental something essential for a horn player ? The one has the ability to do it right, the other has not. Any problem ? Live with the facts !! But concluding, things be impossible because of ones own inability, that´s wrong, perfect wrong & silly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Partials (hitting the fundamental) As I understand it, factitious notes are notes whose 1st harmonic doesn't exist on the horn, but whose higher harmonics do. A good player can play these notes because higher harmonics are reinforced. For example, a natural horn player can play the E below the staff because its 2nd and 4th harmonics are reinforced by the E's in the staff. You can play the E below that on the F horn with the fingering 12 (or 23). I suspect that those trumpet players who can play a solid "fundamental" C are playing a factitious note. Herb Foster --- Benno Heinemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > Sorry, I mistakenly assumed you wrote it inadvertently for "factitious", > a word often used for notes which don't really exist on an instrument > but the exact meaning of which isn't entirely clear to me. > ... __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Partials (hitting the fundamental)
As I understand it, factitious notes are notes whose 1st harmonic doesn't exist on the horn, but whose higher harmonics do. A good player can play these notes because higher harmonics are reinforced. For example, a natural horn player can play the E below the staff because its 2nd and 4th harmonics are reinforced by the E's in the staff. You can play the E below that on the F horn with the fingering 12 (or 23). I suspect that those trumpet players who can play a solid "fundamental" C are playing a factitious note. Herb Foster --- Benno Heinemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > Sorry, I mistakenly assumed you wrote it inadvertently for "factitious", > a word often used for notes which don't really exist on an instrument > but the exact meaning of which isn't entirely clear to me. > ... __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] audition pieces suggestion
Midnight Voices by John McCoy is a nice piece for unaccompanied horn to show off what you can do musically. It is published by Fenwick Parva Press and available at fenwickparva.com Carl Bangs neuro wrote: > Can someone there give me some suggestion ? > > I am to have a horn audition for entrance of 3rd year music school. > The required piece is > No.35 (first piece) of 60 selected studies for Frehch Horn by C. > Kopprasch Book 2, > and two pieces of my choices. > > The first piece of my choices is (intended to be) > Prelude from Suite no. 1 for unaccompanied cello (BWV 1007) by J.S. Bach. > ( | GDBA BDBD GDBA BDBD | ) > > My questions are: > How do you suggest the 2nd piece of my choices? > ( Though I can find a paino accompanist, I thought a piece without > piano accoampny would be more simple to manage. ) > Actually, I am hoping there is a modern piece for solo horn, that, > though sounds difficult yet not too difficult.. > > And how do you think the piece of Bach? > ( Is that piece good for audition? Or, better not choose that one, > why...? ) > > > Thank you very much :) > > > > <: Old Horn Student :> > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bangs%40cet.com > > . > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
