[Hornlist] Lip trills and Tuscaloosa
On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 12 date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:53:52 -0500 from: "Karl Feinauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Lip Trills I had learned how to produce a good lip trill on the horn on from a 1st line E up to an F-G trill on top of the staff, and I guess I didn't maintain it, as I can practically no longer trill at all. Any advice on how to get back in the trill scene and maintain them so that I don't have to build them up again if I don't use them for a month or so? message: 13 date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:10:57 -0500 from: Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: Re: [Hornlist] Lip Trills At 7:53 PM -0500 4/29/05, Karl Feinauer wrote: Any advice on how to get back in the trill scene and maintain them so that I don't have to build them up again if I don't use them for a month or so? My daily trill exercise is the first line of Kopprasch #5, starting in A basso going up to Bb alto. It takes a minute or so. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO Hey fellas, First of all Karl, doing lip trills correctly, or should I say successfully, is a lot like double tonguing- once you learn how to do it you never really forget, but you may have to brush it up once and a while. Remember that a lip trill is the control of instability between two harmonics on the horn. You don't actually fully play either note. Think of a "superball" going down a pipe- contained chaos. I'm giving out the cryptic clues today because I've been over this before. You might want to check the archives (or email me). Just remember that you need to find the point where the harmonics break over between the notes and learn to control it. Bring your lips a little closer together at first and blow a little faster then normal. And Carlberg, you old goat, you did bring up the K word but I'm glad you said to do that exercise starting on a lower note- I like Ab (on the F horn) or even G (1-3 on F horn) or F# (123 on F horn). Don't try to learn lip trills going from the C to D above, it takes too much energy which gets in the way of learning the touch and control that are involved in the "mechanics" of trilling- much easier to get on a lower note. Hey, its all in my book. Speaking of which... For others of you out there who would like to talk about these and other issues, I will be at the big symposium in Tuscaloosa in June. I will be doing two mornings of guided warm ups (Monday and Thursday) as well as conducting an unofficial ongoing workshop and rap session in the space (my own room) they are going to give me to sell my book and some arrangements and other goodies I am bringing. So if you already own my book, are curious, or just want to bust my chops about something, I will be there to answer questions and work with anyone who wants to. (Hey, Free Lessons !!) Actually, I am looking forward to the chance to explain to the people who think the exercises in my book are too easy why I wrote them that way. Clue! Its not what you play but how you play it that counts. I will demonstrate, and hopefully, so will some of you. I will also be able to actually check out your embouchure and breathing in person- what a concept! One thing that I do at my seminar every July is see if anyone can learn to do a lip trill in a week. It does happen. There IS a trick to it, and for me it doesn't involve touching my lower lip with my tongue, saying vowel sounds into the horn, or stopping the horn- hey I'm not saying these things are wrong or don't work, because I'm sure they do help some of you, I'm just saying that there is a way to look at it that coincides with how the horn works. Even if you don't learn it in a week you will be on the way to success. Any topic is fair game, so come on by and check it out. Another aspect of this will be that I will be there, and hopefully bring in some guests, to talk about things involved with being a professional player or an amateur player or whatever. Excerpts, stories, auditions, conductors- all fair game. This is going to be my homage to Morris Secon, who did a lot for all of us by having late night rap sessions at many of the earlier workshops. Hey, wherever you are these days Morry, good on ya and God bless. Wendell Rider For info about my book "Real World Horn Playing" and the Summer Seminar, see my website: www.wendellworld.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Festival in Hawaii
Hello there, In case you or any of your students are looking for a summer festival, the Hawaii Performing Arts Festival is still accepting applicants. The dates of the festival are June 20-July 7. There will be intensive private instruction as well as chamber music and ensemble performance. Classes in Alexander Technique and Yoga will be offered along with excursions around the island (Hawaii). Please feel free to contact me or refer to the web sight with any questions. Thanks, Laura Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.HawaiiPerformingArtsFestival.org ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Shallow cups....
"I must have had my panties in a wedgie up the crack on that one Jack! I have heard so many generalizations about mouthpieces which can truly wreck great players. Yours was not one of them" all the best, Matthew Scheffelman Horn + No worries Matt. Cheers to all, The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Shallow cups....
On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, at 07:27 PM, matthew scheffelman wrote: I must have had my panties in a wedgie up the crack on that one Jack! I have heard so many generalizations about mouthpieces which can truly wreck great players. Yours was not one of them I think Matt S was after me. Yes, I was making a generalization about beginners who are not yet great players. I have found that most beginners need a thinner rim and a conical cup first; and then when and if troubles develop then I head for other rims and underbody shapesl I have seen some awful mouthpieces come as stock equipment that barely resemble horn mouthpieces. Most would serve a much better purpose as sinkers in my tackle box. For young players, I get a truer sound quicker in a vast majority of cases with a real mouthpiece. After six months or a year, sometimes almost immediately, I may need to initiate a change. It took me a while to learn this, but I've been at it for almost 60 years and have produced some nice players. In the original message I was referring to an 11 year old beginner. Let's get real, here. CORdially, Paul Mansur ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Shallow cups....
I must have had my panties in a wedgie up the crack on that one Jack! I have heard so many generalizations about mouthpieces which can truly wreck great players. Yours was not one of them all the best, Matthew Scheffelman Horn John Dutton wrote: Before we get our panties too bunched up here, I did not recommend another mouthpiece. What I said was that this particular mouthpiece has a shallow cup. It is not a medium cup nor is it a deep cup. This may indeed work for the student in question but generally speaking-speaking to the statistical average and not the exception-a shallow cup is not recommended for all around playing. Citing an exception doesn't disprove the rule. In addition to my NOT recommending another mouthpiece (nor can I recall ever recommending a particular mouthiece in this forum) I DID tell her where to look for what she wanted and the general type of alternative mouthpiece if she couldn't find it. Quite frankly, if I could lay my hands easily on the Tuckwell MP I own I would sell it to her myself. Personally, I think she should consult with her instructor and the Moose before making a change of equipment but I'm not about to waste energy or brain cells on the matter. Cheers! The Jack Attack! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
Yes, d-daaah-dh-daaah-dooo - nice & effective. But the most exciting Tuba parts are in "Frau ohne Schatten" (R.Strauss). Janacek used them also. I published 4 volumes of Wagner Tuba studies (excerpt books). Visit my Web Site to know more: www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.htm There are good Wagner Tuba parts in Strauss' Alpine Symphony, which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. These require the use of mutes, as well. We are also doing a modern piece by Kurtag, (STELE, Op.33) which has 8 horns with 5-8 Wagner Tuba doubling. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
There's a nice CD out there with some mighty fine Wagner tuba playing on it. Check out The London Horn Sound... http://tinyurl.com/8hfzm Several cuts (but not all) include Wagner tuba players in the ensemble. Outstanding! -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 02:52 PM 5/4/2005, you wrote: I am in search of a list of all of the repertoire that uses Wagner tubas. Do you have any information on this? Thanks! Liz Sievert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 5/3/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
Yes, d-daaah-dh-daaah-dooo - nice & effective. But the most exciting Tuba parts are in "Frau ohne Schatten" (R.Strauss). Janacek used them also. I published 4 volumes of Wagner Tuba studies (excerpt books). Visit my Web Site to know more: www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.htm Vienna Philharmonic used the Wagner Tuba for Heldenleben & Don Quixote. There is also a very difficult Wagner Tuba part in Josephslegende (ballet by R.Strauss), really difficult single Tuba part. But the first horn part is like hell. The last page of tzhe 90min. piece just high a2 & high d3, the only piece, where I used the descant for the last page. Terrible embouchure killer, but fun to play up & down & up again (exception lasdt page). Really challenging. Still, greetings from Shanghai, 05:50 morning Thursday. Last night the skyscrapers were in the clouds, really. The opera house just 5 min. from my hotel at Nanjing Road is a masterpiece of contemporanean architecture as are some of the tall buildings like the pagoda style Jin Mao building with 420,5 m & the Pearl Tower with 468 m. Exciting. Traffic like in New York. When I was here the first time 1984, cars were seen hardly. You could cross the main streets with closed eyes, but now - hallelujah - you get difficulties crossing at the zebras. And the food .. gorgious . abalones .. lobster termidor ... fresh fish ... no rice at the parties ... keeps you slim. People knowing me would not believe, I lost more than 32 lbs. since last August Played a perfect Long Call last night using a borrowed horn on the spot & a borrowed mouthpiece. Just lucky. Because of Mao-Tai, perhaps. Another exception. = == > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, at 03:52 PM, Paul Rincon wrote: > > > Off the top of my head, I only know of the following: > > > > Bruckner Symphonies Nr. 7,8,9 > > Wagner RING Cycle > > Strauss: Elektra > > Stravinsky: Rite of Spring > > > Doesn't "The Pines of Rome" also call for Tuben? > > Paul Mansur > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/gix3514%40gmx.at > -- SigfridFafner the under ground horn player from Vienna +++ Neu: Echte DSL-Flatrates von GMX - Surfen ohne Limits +++ Always online ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, at 03:52 PM, Paul Rincon wrote: Off the top of my head, I only know of the following: Bruckner Symphonies Nr. 7,8,9 Wagner RING Cycle Strauss: Elektra Stravinsky: Rite of Spring Doesn't "The Pines of Rome" also call for Tuben? Paul Mansur ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
Ah! Here's a chance to put in a plug for "The Horn Call," the journal of the International Horn Society. William Melton did a seven-part series on the history of the Wagner tuba in 2003-2004. It covers all the literature up to now, as well as a lot of enlightening history of its birthing pangs and development as an instrument. Richard in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cincinnati/ Kansas City audition results
In a message dated 5/4/2005 2:45:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone heard yet about the results of the Cincinnati or Kansas City principal horn auditions? Thanks, John Hi John, There were 85 in the KC audition. I was told 3 made it to the final but I don't think they chose anyone I'm not sure. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
Off the top of my head, I only know of the following: Bruckner Symphonies Nr. 7,8,9 Wagner RING Cycle Strauss: Elektra Stravinsky: Rite of Spring Especially beautiful are the Wagner Tuba quartets in the 8th (3rd mvmt) symphony by Bruckner...heard it on DVD with Pierre Boulez and Vienna Phil. Utterly delicious I must say... - Original Message - From: "Liz Sievert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question > I am in search of a list of all of the repertoire that > uses Wagner tubas. > Do you have any information on this? > > Thanks! > Liz Sievert > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dennisbrainchild%40earthlink.n et ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cincinnati/ Kansas City audition results
Has anyone heard yet about the results of the Cincinnati or Kansas City principal horn auditions? Thanks, John ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] New chat group
I am not sure anybody will be interested, but I have signed up a new yahoo chat group for those of use that want a forum for horns without valves. Currently there is only one member. I hope that there are a few people out there that want to help with contributions to my fledgling web site and make it a real forum for the natural horn: naturalhorn.com http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalhorn/ * Your group information: Group name: naturalhorn Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalhorn Group email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard Burdick 1st Horn Regina Symphony Regina, SK Canada ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
I am in search of a list of all of the repertoire that uses Wagner tubas. Do you have any information on this? Thanks! Liz Sievert __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] WANTED: Kortesmaki Views & Information...
If you have, or are familiar with, the Karl Hill "Kortesmaki" horns, please get in touch with me as I wish to find out all I can about these horns. I've heard that he has both Schmidt-style horn (piston changevalve) and a Geyer-wrap. Since I've never seen one, I'm asking here on the list. I'd also welcome thoughts and opinions from non-listers, assuming someone wants to put a 3rd-party in touch with me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may comment on-line or, if you wish, e-mail me off-line. All off-line comments remain off-line, except those concerning my mother! jrc in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] IHS
Hello- Would anyone like to rent a hotel room together for the IHS symposium in Alabama? I'm a student at New England Conservatory and am looking to save some much needed money! Also, if anyone wants to carpool from the Birmingham airport and back, I'll be arriving the morning of June 5th and departing the afternoon of June 11. Thanks! Kaitlyn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Blue Belled Valvectomy Horn
Greetings all, This is a horn for sale by the eminent Dr. Greer even though it might not be readily recognizable by the seller name. Dana Twiss ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Blue-belled "valvectomy" horn on ebay
No disrespect intended, but it's based on an Olds Ambassador, I'm pretty sure, that would go for less than half that much IF it were in better condition, and with a good set of valves. (And didn't need that stupid paint stripped.) FWIW, I bought one of these from Lowell Greer - he "valvectises" them - before Xmas this last year. It's definitely a "poor man's handhorn". It plays pretty well and it's light beyond belief. I like it quite a bit - it comes with extensions for E, Eb, D. If I only had a C extension, I'd play it for a Haydn Te Deum that I'm playing in June. All in all, I got out of it what I expected at a price I was willing to pay, and it is perfectly suited for me to sit at home and try to teach myself handhorn technique. I will admit that the paint is a somewhat cheesy imitation of the gorgeously painted bells of horns of an earlier era - it is obviously spray painted on. Nonetheless, from a distance it's pretty. Some day, I hope to be able to afford one of Lowell's reproduction horns. Sadly, with my son going off to UCLA this fall, that will not happen any time soon. Bo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Music for Rosetti Concerto for 2 horns in F Major
They were using my publication for thzeir recording. By the way, his name is Klaus not Klauss. Remind me after May 15th, to send it to you, as I am writing from Shanghai at the moment. What a incredible change since I was here last time in 1996. This city outbids Tokyo & Hongkong & has undergone the same big change as did Bangkok the last thirty years, but here they scrapped one area after the other. When I was here first time in 1984, there was no Pudong area where some of the wqorlds tallest construction stay nearby each other (Pearl Tower, Jin Mao tower etc., the new Opera House in its futuristic design, many skyscrapers still under construction. And one becomes a real shopping addict maniac, really. I did not expect that. All people extremely friendly, food super superb, policemen very helpful, taxi driver no cheating, easy immigration. A place to visit befor prices will boom up more. Heading for Luoyang tomorrow, to visit the famousa Longmen Buddha grottoes. Get some info about by searching under Google "Longmen". Warmest greetings from 30 centigrades Shanghai. We travel WITHOUT even the mouthpiece. Wonderful. Hans > Hi everyone, > I was listening to the recording of Klauss > Wallendorf and Sarah Willis playing the Rosetti > Concerto in F Major for Two Horns and Orchestra and > was wondering if anyone knew where I could get the > music, either orchestral score or piano reduction. It > sounds great and a friend and I wanted to give it a > shot. Thanks in advance! > -Kipp > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/gix3514%40gmx.at > -- SigfridFafner the under ground horn player from Vienna +++ Lassen Sie Ihren Gedanken freien Lauf... z.B. per FreeSMS +++ GMX bietet bis zu 100 FreeSMS/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
