RE: [Hornlist] Horn conductors (Richter)
Hello Paul, This anecdote about Hans Richter has to be corrected. He could have said: "Paersch - give to me das Horn !" (never "der Horn" - horn is male in your language but neuter in German language). But anyway, this is just an anecdote, but it appears severaltimes. The first time was it, when it came from a "Meistersinger" rehearsal when Franz Strauss had difficulties (which I doubt) with the G-horn passage at the final scene of act 2 (the boy fight), which is awful fingering on the bb-side. It is said that Franz Strauss complained about the aweful text of the music, when Richter, choir director that time, asked him for his horn & demonstrated to him that this particular passage was playable. When Richter, himself used to the single F-horn, took up Franz Strauss´ Bb-horn, he might have run into a big trap. He had no experience with the bb-horn. How could he have played this tricky passage flawless, even knowing every note by heart ? Impossible, impossible ! If Richter had his F-horn brought with him to the rehearsal (why should the choir director carry his private horn with him ?), he might have used that. But then the anecdote becomes unbelieveable, as it is reported such: "Yes, Herr Strauss, if you use your Bb-horn for this passage, it will not work well. You should use the F-horn, as it is much easier here !". But then the other part of the story does not work, when they say, he asked for Strauss or in your story for Paersch´s horn. Moral: it is all myth. But Richter himself was the best horn student of Wilhelm Kleinecke sen. At the conservatory in Vienna. Richter also was one of the very first players of the Brahms trio. He got difficulties during the Karlsruhe performance, as his horn was quite sharp compared to the piano, probably sharp because of the somewhat higher pitch in Vienna. Or got sharp because of the excitement. He was hot tempered. He was not playing much on the horn this time as working for Wagner & as conductor. Just to illustrate your story. I really enjoy your stories from England as we often have no access to them. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Kampen Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:43 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Horn conductors Message text written by The Horn List >Then there is Richter, conductor for several Wagnerian operas.< Dear All Richter was the Musical Director of the Halle Orchestra in Manchester in the late 19th century. He is famous for having said that "viola players is horn players that have lost der teets!" (this is a paraphrase!) He is also reported to have answered some insubordination from Franz Paersch (the Halle's Principal horn who had said that a certain passage was impossible the way that Richter wanted it played) by shouting - "Paersch - give to me der horn!" and proceeding to play said passage exactly as he had asked. When I was a student in Manchester, there was said to be a very old man still living who could remember regularly seeing Richter walking from the train to his home in Bowden (Cheshire) carrying a bag of groceries. Certainly, there was a very ancient retired trumpet player still around in my youth who used to say that Richter was indirectly responsible for the founding of the London Symphony Orchestra. Although the reason usually given was Sir Henry Wood (or rather his manager - Robert Newman) banning the deputy system (whereby players would send someone else along if they got a better gig) much more relevant was the fact that, superb workman as Wood was, players saw just what could be achieved (and had been achieved in Manchester) by bringing in conductors from abroad. I certainly do not think that Sir Thomas Beecham was thinking of Richter when he said "why bring in so many third rate conductors from Europe when we have plenty of second rate ones of our own!" Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dark sound
Hi, I think that was the hardest concept for me to learn - what you hear coming out of your horn just below your right ear is not what is heard by the listener in the hall. I finally learned that if it sounds too bright to you, it's more than likely just right in the hall. Gary --- Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you certain you need to darken it? Have you > listened to yourself > in a recording made in the back of a large hall > where you can play and > learn what your sound is in the music hall? Horn > sound may be bright > on stage but quite dark when it has turned around > and perceived by the > hearers who are some distance from the player. > Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dark sound
Are you certain you need to darken it? Have you listened to yourself in a recording made in the back of a large hall where you can play and learn what your sound is in the music hall? Horn sound may be bright on stage but quite dark when it has turned around and perceived by the hearers who are some distance from the player. Sound can be darkened some by a slight adjustment of your hand position. Most of it pertains to your embouchure and the way you support the sound with your breath. A sense of slowing the air stream a bit might meet your needs. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Thursday, June 2, 2005, at 04:54 PM, Alon reuven wrote: Is there any one who can tell me how can I darken my sound? thankes Alon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Dark sound
Is there any one who can tell me how can I darken my sound? thankes Alon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn conductors
Message text written by The Horn List >Then there is Richter, conductor for several Wagnerian operas.< Dear All Richter was the Musical Director of the Halle Orchestra in Manchester in the late 19th century. He is famous for having said that "viola players is horn players that have lost der teets!" (this is a paraphrase!) He is also reported to have answered some insubordination from Franz Paersch (the Halle's Principal horn who had said that a certain passage was impossible the way that Richter wanted it played) by shouting - "Paersch - give to me der horn!" and proceeding to play said passage exactly as he had asked. When I was a student in Manchester, there was said to be a very old man still living who could remember regularly seeing Richter walking from the train to his home in Bowden (Cheshire) carrying a bag of groceries. Certainly, there was a very ancient retired trumpet player still around in my youth who used to say that Richter was indirectly responsible for the founding of the London Symphony Orchestra. Although the reason usually given was Sir Henry Wood (or rather his manager - Robert Newman) banning the deputy system (whereby players would send someone else along if they got a better gig) much more relevant was the fact that, superb workman as Wood was, players saw just what could be achieved (and had been achieved in Manchester) by bringing in conductors from abroad. I certainly do not think that Sir Thomas Beecham was thinking of Richter when he said "why bring in so many third rate conductors from Europe when we have plenty of second rate ones of our own!" Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Water
There is one woman in my band who has yet to figure out how to put together a folding stand. I keep wondering how she can "not" figure it out, it's so simple. She can't even tell which lever to pull to raise the thing.I'd hate to think how long it took her to figure out which direction to turn her screw bell. What can I say? I think like an Engineer. Fortunately I married another Engineer/Musician. We get along just fine. Kathy You know they're an Engineer when they use duct tape and bailing wire for something other than taping ducts and bailing hay. ---original message Some of us techies don't understand how people don't think (like us). Herb Foster, the lone techie in a household of hummies (humanities) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn conductors
William B wrote How about Elliot Higgins, Albequerque Symphony. He also operates asummer music camp. Then there is Richter, conductor for several Wagnerian operas. And, a gentleman whose name I can't remember, conducted/directed the US Marine Corp Band, retired several years ago. ** He was no gentleman. He was a colonel. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: water
Some of us techies don't understand how people don't think (like us). My daughter got an A in high school AP calculus, and she didn't understand it at all, just memorized what she had to do. I hung my head in shame. However, she writes brilliantly, which I don't, as you may have noticed. So, what good does it do to know where the water is collecting, when you can't figure out how to turn the horn to get it out? Many otherwise very intelligent people, like my daughter, can't visualize what's going on, sight unseen, inside the tubing. Herb Foster, the lone techie in a household of hummies (humanities) --- David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Daniel Canarutto wrote: > > > Steve Freides wrote: > > >...I found it helpful to look at the > > >horn and figure out where water might be collecting, then turn it in such > a > > >manner as to get the water to move to someplace where it could be removed > > >from the horn (a slide or a water key). > > > > A good advise because it hints at THINKING! I teach at an engeneering > > faculty and most students don't want that, they just expect to learn > > a set of procedures telling them what to do in all possible cases. > > Yeah, thinking is cool. And I can corroborate that many of my math > students resemble Daniel's engineering students: just show me what to do, > don't care why, and don't look to see if the answer makes sense. (I just > graded a problem about a bicycle with 26-inch diameter wheels, rotating 3 > revolutions every 5 seconds, how fast is it going in miles per hour? > That's an ordinary bike going slowly. One person had it going > about 126,000 miles per hour.) > > But there is a kind of elegance associated with a procedure that solves a > problem without thinking, like learning a fake fingering for a note, > without knowing the harmonic sequences. Here is a way to find out where > the water is, that doesn't involve thinking: > > Fill your horn with water by playing it until it gurgles obnoxiously. > Then get it very warm, like leave it out in the sun; leave it in playing > position. Then bring it in to a cool ambience and check it every few > minutes by touching all the low-lying tubing. The places that feel warmer > than other places likely have water in them. This procedure can be > reversed - get your horn cold, like leave it standing up in your > refrigerator or freezer, then warm it up and check for cold spots; in fact > it might give itself away by showing condensation or frost where there is > water within, after the rest of the horn has dried. > > Surely there are other unusual ways to locate the water, but not likely as > ridiculous. I'm sure that we would benefit from the opinions of our > fellow listers who happen also to be physicists or dowsers. > __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] another strange horn sighting
http://www.shebwooley.com/ppe.htm
Hope that your audio works. On one computer I tried, it worked on IE, but
failed on Netscape and Firefox.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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