Re: [Hornlist] Horn for sale
In a message dated 6/24/2005 4:15:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Karl Kemm wrote: > > models sell for about €8,580.00 (Euros) equivalent to about $7,098.00 > (USD)... The dollar certainly has gotten a lot stronger since yesterday! Hi, ... gotta be a typo ... s/b 5,850 euros ... not 8,580 Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn for sale
Karl Kemm wrote: > > models sell for about €8,580.00 (Euros) equivalent to about $7,098.00 > (USD)... The dollar certainly has gotten a lot stronger since yesterday! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn for sale
A horn has come into my possession that I would like to sell. This Pizka model Ganter HeGa-Classic) is about 4 years old and in pristine condition. The previous owner took exceptional care of it. It has had a leadpipe modification and two sonic cleanings by Ken Pope. The new models sell for about €8,580.00 (Euros) equivalent to about $7,098.00 (USD). This one I have priced at $5,380.00. If you have questions concerning the playing qualities please feel free to contact me. I will gladly supply pictures upon request. Karl Kemm (940) 300-3131 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Kemm Horn and Humanities Del Mar College Corpus Christi, TX (361) 698-1601 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Digest, Vol 30, Issue 29 Re: Coins as lever extensions, formerly HR
subject: What is the purpose of these coins? -- Alan Cole wrote: 1. Adds thickness to valve levers that have worn down thin -- prevents such wear on newer valve levers. 2. Provides for lengthening the levers to accommodate players with shortish fingers. 3. Gives a tactile reminder to keep the fingers appropriately arched so that the balls of the fingers are in contact with the wide parts of the valve levers. 4. Silver coins on the valve levers are w-a-a-a-a-y cool ! BTW, I always thought the de riguer part was using older coins of genuine silver (staying away from those newer, base-metal coins). If so, that pretty much rules out using USA coins dated the same as the year the horn was made, except for pre-1964 horns. Also, the way I heard it is that the date on the coins is supposed to match the birth-year of the horn player -- which also rules out USA silver coins except for folks already well into middle-age & beyond. I am not familiar with Liberty Head dimes; don't the USA horn folks usually go for Mercury dimes? (Might be 2 different names for the same thing, I don't know.) However that may be, any way you shake it silver coins are way cooler than those sissy concave finger buttons -- at least among the rank amateur horn crowd. (Don't know about the professionals, though.) -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. * Maybe so. I found that the sissy-wimp concave buttons put on my newish 8D corrected what I (with larger hamlike hands) consider to be a flaw in the ergonomics of the 8D - my fingers were required to arch all over the place to play it, since the valve paddles wee slanted down to a severe degree. Slightly bending up the paddles didn't help a lot, but that slight bend plus the addition of the curved cups make the *D feel a lot more like my 1952 28D - where the paddles were almost straight. For large handed persons, I found this to be just right. I don't think that coins would have done anything more for me, since they are so thin. Harris S. Wood Alexandria, VA 22314 (703) 567-2626 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] advice for one-armed hornist
In a message dated 6/24/2005 9:15:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another issue will be balance. I suggest you consider a horn holding strap, such as the Clebsch strap for the left hand, as well as that stick device (whose name escapes me at the moment) that balances the horn while playing. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited Hi Dave, One of these sticks is the PipStick and there is a website for pics and details. It was designed and is marketed by Pip Eastop in England. There is another one that is similar but I don't remember the details. Pip's site is _www.pyp.f2s.com_ (http://www.pyp.f2s.com) It was nice seeing you in Tuscaloosa. Best regards, Jerry (in Kansas City) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] advice for one-armed hornist
It's an interesting engineering problem with lots of possible solutions. A latex glove filled with sand might be a good place to start to approximate the human hand. Some careful listening would be required to determine the range of sound alteration required and possible. Since the right leg and foot will be positioned below the bell, a small wheeled dolly with a post to hold the 'hand' might be a good place to start. This would give the flexibility to move it in and out of the bell, establish contact with the bell, or not, as well as some rotation capability. Once you have a rudimentary device, experience will dictate modifications. With a neck strap to support the weight and align the bell, the unit would probably be adaptable for standing. For marching, a good skate boarder or rollerblader could probably steal the show. For parts to build the first mod, go to the McMaster-Carr website. Rumor has it that McMaster-Carr is really Wiley Coyote's 'Acme' supplier. They have good prices, unquestionable quality, take credit cards, and usually deliver next day from a local warehouse. -Original Message- From: Steve Tarter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:43:35 +0900 Subject: [Hornlist] advice for one-armed hornist Excuse the cross post, but I hope to get ideas from as many people as possible. At the school where I teach there is a student (male, about 13 years old) who was born with no right arm. He has been struggling along playing trumpet but wants to switch to horn. He fully understands that he will never play "stopped". My bigger concern is tone quality and intonation since he will not be able to place a hand into the bell. Has anyone had experience with a case like this? Any suggestions? I have wondered if a mute could be partially cut away to approximate a curved hand. If he does indeed make the switch from trumpet to horn he will begin lessons (with me as his teacher) in September. Thanks, ---Steve Tarter--- Tokyo, Japan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] advice for one-armed hornist
Anticipating some very wise & polite answers I might state here: My class-mate in Freibergs class in Vienna was Erhard Seifried, who lead the Vienna Waldhorn Verein for years & has been a member of the horn section of the Radio Symphony in Vienna. We shared the graduation recital. He was much elder than me & lost his right forearm in the last days of the war by a panzer granade unfortunately, but lucky enough not losing his life. He got an adapter for the bell, some kind of a short conical device, resembling the wider part of the cone mute, held by a strap. Well, this works as a replacement of the "bell hand", - for somewhat degree. But it would not be enough if sitting on the first horn chair, where you have to adapt your sound & intonation to the woodwinds permanently. This is not discouraging as it sounds, but be honest to your student explaining the existing limitations, which cannot be compensated by whatever hard work. Without the right hand in the bell, just having the quite fixed adapter, it is not possible absolutely, to shade the tone as one can do it with all the body complete. Well these "complete" persons might have the difficulties to realize the necessity of these shadings to achieve a maximum of musical expression , blenmding or whatever. Explain that to your student carefully. But anyway, this handicap should not be a great obstacle to master to become a reasonable horn player. I remember a young high talented gypsy horn player using lower lip more than anyone could imagine, bowing his chin down to the neck, inserting the mouthpiece deep into thew lower lip the horn lifting up much. He played with extreme espressivo, extremely light with stupend technique, all by heart (he could not look at the music nor could he see it because of his way to hold the horn). But ! But & but again ! He played standing as soloist and he would NEVER find any place in an orchestra, as there ae no standing places and he had to look to the conductor, which he could not. This just to illustrate how some limitations work, no matter how much you work to overcome the limitations. In this case a complete change of the basic technique could work. But one has to have the will & the guidance to change oneself. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Tarter Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:44 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] advice for one-armed hornist Excuse the cross post, but I hope to get ideas from as many people as possible. At the school where I teach there is a student (male, about 13 years old) who was born with no right arm. He has been struggling along playing trumpet but wants to switch to horn. He fully understands that he will never play "stopped". My bigger concern is tone quality and intonation since he will not be able to place a hand into the bell. Has anyone had experience with a case like this? Any suggestions? I have wondered if a mute could be partially cut away to approximate a curved hand. If he does indeed make the switch from trumpet to horn he will begin lessons (with me as his teacher) in September. Thanks, ---Steve Tarter--- Tokyo, Japan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Polly Dunn in PA
Excuse my double post, please. I need to get in touch with Polly Dunn. She was at the IHS Symposium a few weeks ago and I need either her address or a phone number. I shall appreciate your help. Contact me privately, please. Paul Mansur [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Orchestral Parts
snip > >You have to go to the library & read the scores to find out, >what sports they might expect you to play for the audition. snip >Feel free to contact me privately, as I could be of help to >you. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sorry, I couldn't resist: I imagine it depends on where the orchestra is - soccer/ football in Europe, baseball or basketball in the States, and hockey here in Canada (lots of vacancies there!!) Have a good weekend! Kjellrun -- Kjellrun K. Hestekin School of Music, MUN St. John's, NFLD. CANADA A1C 5S7 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] advice for one-armed hornist
In a message dated 6/24/2005 9:44:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excuse the cross post, but I hope to get ideas from as many people as possible. At the school where I teach there is a student (male, about 13 years old) who was born with no right arm. He has been struggling along playing trumpet but wants to switch to horn. He fully understands that he will never play "stopped". My bigger concern is tone quality and intonation since he will not be able to place a hand into the bell. Has anyone had experience with a case like this? Any suggestions? I have wondered if a mute could be partially cut away to approximate a curved hand. If he does indeed make the switch from trumpet to horn he will begin lessons (with me as his teacher) in September. Steve, I have had a few customers without one arm or the other. My very first suggestion is to encourage this young man to work hard and find solutions that work. It is quite possible that he can play horn with very little of the repertoire beyond his abilities. There are always work arounds. Luckily enough, because this young man has a left arm you won't have to go through the trouble of finding or having made a right-handed horn. Most of the people I know with the use of only one arm have prosthetic arms that they insert into the bell. Few in the audience ever realize that they are playing with a prosthesis. If this is not possible, your suggestion of a cut-away mute or some other device for intonation is a good idea. Consider different options, including a cut-away tennis ball. You want to get good intonation and simulate a hand in the bell. Since it's a permanent fix, you'd want to use contact cement to hold the device in permanently. It won't hurt the horn and can be undone if necessary. Another issue will be balance. I suggest you consider a horn holding strap, such as the Clebsch strap for the left hand, as well as that stick device (whose name escapes me at the moment) that balances the horn while playing. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] advice for one-armed hornist
Excuse the cross post, but I hope to get ideas from as many people as possible. At the school where I teach there is a student (male, about 13 years old) who was born with no right arm. He has been struggling along playing trumpet but wants to switch to horn. He fully understands that he will never play "stopped". My bigger concern is tone quality and intonation since he will not be able to place a hand into the bell. Has anyone had experience with a case like this? Any suggestions? I have wondered if a mute could be partially cut away to approximate a curved hand. If he does indeed make the switch from trumpet to horn he will begin lessons (with me as his teacher) in September. Thanks, ---Steve Tarter--- Tokyo, Japan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tone Projection
Horn sound at a distance sounds darker (fewer high partials reaching the distant audience). Yet, a trumpet, aimed at the audience will sound brighter at a distance than it will at close range. So, one explanation could be that the brighter components (higher partials) of the horn sound are directed away from the audience and dissipate into sound absorbing materials. What is left for projection of horn sound to the audience are the lower partials, the darker components of the sound. Now it gets interesting to bring in the consideration the better sound projection of smaller-throated belled horns. The percentage of high partial absorption is the same for all horns at a particular location, so the smaller-throated belled horn will sound brighter at a distance, thus the judgment of better projection. Larger-throated belled horns could achieve better projection by the use of more reflective material behind their bells and by being in the back row of the ensemble with a reflective backdrop. Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
