Re: [Hornlist] What Holton uses for grease
In a message dated 8/20/2005 11:32:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, let's try something not-so-weird... Vaseline? No, but the grease they put in the case is pretty much vaseline. It`s a combo slide and cork grease but really much better corks. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] What Holton uses for grease
OK, let's try something not-so-weird... Vaseline? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
In a message dated 8/20/2005 9:29:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: butter? I think that was under the same category as cheese. Nope ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
In a message dated 8/20/2005 9:14:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could they be like the paisan's at Kalison and use olive oil? Makes sense, but nope. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
butter? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 8/20/2005 6:18 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Cc: Subject:Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music In a message dated 8/20/2005 4:58:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll take a guess at STP. Paul Mansur Nope. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/huntt%40waldorf.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Telemann Concerto
I have been listening to Tuckwell's recording of the Telemann Concerto. Does anyone know if he uses a descant horn in the recording, which I think is really special? Is the concerto normally played on a descant, or do people play it on regular horns? Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
Could they be like the paisan's at Kalison and use olive oil? O. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:18 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music In a message dated 8/20/2005 4:58:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll take a guess at STP. Paul Mansur Nope. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] re: valve rotation
When I was playing in Baltimore in the middle 70's, William Kendall and I were called on to play the Schubert Unfinished Symphony. At rehearsal, Bill missed a slur using the third valve a couple of times that should have been easy. We went to our shop after rehearsal and talked this over. We were both using Alexanders that have the 3rd valve rotating in an opposite direction from 1 and 2. Bill tried the passage on an 8D and never missed. We took the string and stop plate off his Alexanders' 3rd valve and I turned it in the same direction as the other two as the 8D does. The slur was smooth and no problem. We pretty much concluded that the trouble was in the 3rd valve rotation. When we started building our own horns in 1980, I was a little apprehensive about using the Meinlschmidt JM valve set which had valves 1, 2 and 3 the same as the Alexander. When you are designing a horn you look at previous troubles that may be there in the new design. That slur was no problem in our new horn. We had everyone that tried it play that passage without our telling him or her why. There were no complaints. We finally concluded that the problem was non-existant because our bells have a slow decay time. That means that as you make a slur between two adjacent harmonics, the bell keeps a strong vibration going through the slur, thus carrying the sound from one harmonic to another. Some of our bells have a decay time of 15 seconds which makes for smooth playing characteristics. You can easily observe this feature by rapping on the edge of the bell. It's better when the horn is completely disassembled. The horn will ring where a dead bell will merely emit a thuid. We have continued to use the Meinlschmidt configuration because it gives a very even resistance to the operation of each valve and the problem of how the valves rotate is negligible. Sometime I'll tell you about the Emperor Concerto and Artur Rubenstein. Walter A. Lawson Lawson Brass Instruments, Inc. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
In a message dated 8/20/2005 4:58:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll take a guess at STP. Paul Mansur Nope. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Julius Caesar
Hans ought to be online now with his Munich experiences not being too old, but then there are so many other knowledge pools available on this fine board. DRTV1 just finished a direct transmission from our Royal Theatre of Händels Julius Caesar with Andreas Scholl singing the lead. The orchestra was Concerto Copenhagen, which plays replicas of original instruments. I spotted a small schizzo in the bass section, where a double bass appeared to have steel strings, and another section member played a fretted violone. I seem to remember, that Hans at some point reported about a high horn job, actually a duet supporting the singers, towards the end, where he used a single descant horn. As far as I remember an Alexander in F (mine ditto is in G). I also seem to remember Hans telling the key of that section to be Bb. When the two natural horns of Concerto Copenhagen exploded their artistry in the most wonderful way in the said section, I bent over in pure awe. However being the cynic my genes tell me to be, I pulled one of my recorders out of the basket standing next to my chair and found that the key actually appeared to be Bb. I don't haul out a horn this late in the night, as I live in a condo. This made me think of a standing discussion on the recorder list (I taught brasses as well as recorders for a living). I never accepted A=415 instruments, as they narrowed down the real life applicability of my students. If they could get church jobs, these all were in A=440. And even if I don't have totally perfect pitch, instruments tuned to A=415 tend to sound dull in my ears. All this typed noise just to ask: is the said horn passages of the said opera actually written in Bb? If so, I will salute Concerto Copenhagen (CoCo among friends) for playing in modern pitch. And as I have worked with baroque music as well as statistics, I tend to find B natural horns very unlikely to happen in the Händel repertory (even if playing 2nd in Brahms 2.2 is a marvellous experience). Klaus ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
I'll take a guess at STP. Paul Mansur On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 05:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 1:46:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll bite at the hint. Lanolin. Phil Jacobs They used lanolin before this grease. The lanolin worked too well and hid slide fit problems. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
In a message dated 8/20/2005 1:46:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll bite at the hint. Lanolin. Phil Jacobs They used lanolin before this grease. The lanolin worked too well and hid slide fit problems. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] What Holton uses for grease
In a message dated 8/20/2005 12:12:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Considering their location I would guess cheese. Did I win? You`re a winner, Leonard, but not in this case! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
Don't know about the grease, but I know they use Hetman on the rotors Sonja Reynolds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:59 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:12:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the oil evaporates, the grease will still be in there. That is so true. The big problem with lanolin used as tuning slides is that the lanolin can get washed into the valves. The valves work fine until the valve oil evaporates or gets blown through, and a film of lanolin is left on the surface of the rotor. Bonus question. What does Holton use for slide grease when the horns are assembled at the factory? Wes Hatch _www.weshatchhorns.com_ (http://www.weshatchhorns.com) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sonjahornteacher%40cs.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] slow music
Bonus question. What does Holton use for slide grease >>> when the horns are assembled at the factory? >>> STP? >> Boat trailer wheel bearing grease? > nope I'd like to buy a vowel, please. jrc - who, being from the southeastern USA, guesses "lard?" ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Teachers in Desmoines
Tom, Try hornplayer.net http://www.hornplayer.net/teachers.asp?country=USA Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunt,Thomas Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:28 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Teachers in Desmoines A friend is looking for a horn teacher in Desmoines for a high school senior. Any tips? Tom in Iowa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nielsen Dalley Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:47 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re:Mozart norn concertos Urtext editions with original transposition horn parts are available from a number of sources, such as Bretikopf and Hartel, Barenreiter Verlag, etc. Edited editions containing varying degrees of editing ( ranging from a few phrasing marks, to as much as almost rewriting the piece ) are also available and most edited versions provide transposed horn parts. It is embarrasing to say, but I have a dozen different publications of each concerto, but I use a copy of the urtext edition when I performed them with orchestra and edit the part to my own tastes. I have one edited version for valve horn and another edited version for hand horn. I use copies because the orchestral parts from various publishers are not alike, and some are of different length. So I had to adjust the solo part accordingly. When playing with piano accompaniment, I prefer the Jones - Schirmer edition because I think the piano reduction is better. The Dalley Horn Catalogue lists 54 different publications of the concertos. That is too many to discuss their merits here. Ragards. Harriet & Nielsen Dalley ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/huntt%40waldorf.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
I'll bite at the hint. Lanolin. Phil Jacobs In a message dated 8/20/2005 12:59:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:12:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the oil evaporates, the grease will still be in there. That is so true. The big problem with lanolin used as tuning slides is that the lanolin can get washed into the valves. The valves work fine until the valve oil evaporates or gets blown through, and a film of lanolin is left on the surface of the rotor. Bonus question. What does Holton use for slide grease when the horns are assembled at the factory? Wes Hatch _www.weshatchhorns.com_ (http://www.weshatchhorns.com) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/plj59%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] What Holton uses for grease
Bonus question. What does Holton use for slide grease when the horns are assembled at the factory? Wes Hatch _www.weshatchhorns.com_ (http://www.weshatchhorns.com) Considering their location I would guess cheese. Did I win? LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: STP? Boat trailer wheel bearing grease? nope Crisco? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: STP? Boat trailer wheel bearing grease? Paul (who has used bothnot simultaneously) nope ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music > > Bonus question. What does Holton use for slide grease when the horns are > assembled at the factory? > > Wes Hatch _www.weshatchhorns.com_ (http://www.weshatchhorns.com) > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net > STP? Boat trailer wheel bearing grease? Paul (who has used bothnot simultaneously) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
