RE: [Hornlist] embouchure strengthening device
I wonder if there are different rim options available... Trey From: "Steven Ovitsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: "'The Horn List'" Subject: [Hornlist] embouchure strengthening device Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:42:32 -0600 Here's possibly the last embouchure building gadget you'll ever need. eBay item 7344912178 Cheers, Steven Ovitsky ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treyinitalia%40hotmail.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] embouchure strengthening device
Here's possibly the last embouchure building gadget you'll ever need. eBay item 7344912178 Cheers, Steven Ovitsky ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re: valve rotation
Dear Mr. Kampen and list, I probably put a few years on Mr. Rubenstein. When it came time to play the 2nd horn solo in the first movement of the Emperor Concerto, I went for the written E flat and splattered it all over the place including the remainder of the solo. Mr. Rubenstein just stared straight ahead. Needless to say, I went home and played the solo over at least a hundred times. The E flat on my Alexander was the worst note on the horn so I wound up fingering the E flat 23. The next night the solo went OK but from that time on I was wary of it. When we started building horns, that was one of the first exerpts we looked at and had people play it for us without telling them why. That note is all right on our horns but those things scare you. Shostakovich V was another lesson for us. Kindest regards, Walter Lawson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn solos - grade levels
Thank you That was the spelling that was given by the lister who expressed himself about her work. Again thanks Tom in iowa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Phillips Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:46 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn solos - grade levels On Aug 25, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Hunt,Thomas wrote: > No googling I did seemed to reveal a presence of Mary Kislinger on the > internet It's easier if it's spelled right ;-) http://www.hornplayer.net/teachers/t3008.html Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor of Horn, University of Memphis site administrator: music.memphis.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/huntt%40waldorf.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn solos - grade levels
On Aug 25, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Hunt,Thomas wrote: No googling I did seemed to reveal a presence of Mary Kislinger on the internet It's easier if it's spelled right ;-) http://www.hornplayer.net/teachers/t3008.html Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor of Horn, University of Memphis site administrator: music.memphis.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn solos - grade levels
No googling I did seemed to reveal a presence of Mary Kislinger on the internet Any other hints Tom in iowa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:27 PM To: The Horn List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Sievert I'm searching for a list of horn solos that are either > listed by grade level(1,2,3, etc), or have that info > included somewhere. Anyone have such a list or know > where to get a hold of one? > > Thanks! > Liz Sievert > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/huntt%40waldorf.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mahler 1 Excerpt Question
Most people know the long F horn fingerings are more out of tune. The longer the fingering - the longer the tube, the less in tune. The Bb horn fingerings are less out of tune because we use them more and tune for them more (think C# on the staff, Ab in the staff, etc.). On both horns, notes using valves in combination, especially 13 and 123, are sharp not because the horn is longer, but because proportions are not linear, so as one adds valves it takes more and more tubing to lower the horn further. Hence (contrary to many published tuning instructions), many players tune the third valve (on either horn) not by itself, but in combination with the 2nd valve, to get notes using 23 in tune. That still leaves 13 and 123 sharp, but not as much, and one simply avoids these combinations whenever possible. In the Mahler, one starts on Eb horn, rises to F horn, then to Gb horn, then Ab horn. To get the low F - you have 2 choices, F horn 1 (Eb horn) or Bb horn open. As stated before, the poster is looking to avoid the bugley notes. So use Eb horn, even though that would mean rising from Ab horn to Eb horn (a quite large lengthening of a 4th). To get the descending line, just reverse the fingerings and you lengthen the horn as you go F can only be played Bb horn open, so you do your best. Interesting explanation. An upward slur does tend to be smoother when the horn is shortened by just enough to achieve the needed interval, and downward slurs are analogous. I also finger the passage this way, but would give tone quality and intonation as the reasons. Chris Earnest ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] re: valve rotation
Message text written by The Horn List >Sometime I'll tell you about the Emperor Concerto and Artur Rubenstein.< Dear Mr Lawson and List This has whetted my appetite somewhat! In the mid 70s I did some concerts with the Scottish National Orchestra on 2nd (Frank Lloyd on 1st) with the old roue as soloist in the Beethoven 3rd and Grieg Concertos. Then well into his 80s, if not his 90s, he appeared with a twenty plus year old 'secretary' in tow and proceeded to spray the piano keys with hair lacquer to give him some purchase on them - his eyesight was failing and he could not see the keys clearly. Am I right in thinking that there is a dearth of characters like him in the modern world? Happy days! Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn solos - grade levels
Hi! There is a list compiled by Mary Kislinger that should be available. It is modestly priced and should fill your need, I think. I don't have her address at hand, but a google search should find her. I once had a copy, and maybe I still do, but I am in the midst of moving and have no idea where it may be. Good luck! Paul Mansur On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 08:10 AM, Liz Sievert wrote: I'm searching for a list of horn solos that are either listed by grade level(1,2,3, etc), or have that info included somewhere. Anyone have such a list or know where to get a hold of one? Thanks! Liz Sievert Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn solos - grade levels
The Dalley Horn Catalogue is the most comprehensive I know of, and not just in terms of grade level. There are over 22,500 horn pieces catalogued on his CD-ROM. Grading is shown in 5 different grading systems, with a comparative chart in the instructions. Well worth the price. Email Nielsen Dalley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . He'll give you instructions about purchasing the disc, which is extremely modest in price given what you get in return. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn solos - grade levels
I'm searching for a list of horn solos that are either listed by grade level(1,2,3, etc), or have that info included somewhere. Anyone have such a list or know where to get a hold of one? Thanks! Liz Sievert Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mahler 1 Excerpt Question
William, Sandra & other "wise" list members, following your "recommendations" I must recognize, that many of you seem to play the horn without having done the proper home work. Otherwise you would not post that weird nonsense about fingering & intonation. Go back to Kopprasch no.1 or the Schantl Methode - why not every five years - to refresh your knowledge or even get first hand knowledge what' s about playing the horn. Recommending fingering the low F (written) on F-horn 123 & lipping it down just because Vienna Phil seems to do it, is insane perfectly insane. The Vienna Phil has no other choice on their F-Pumpenhorns, but they do not lip it down. They use the right hand. Have you also noticed that they do not blair or fart these low notes but play them like a double bass & not like a basstrombone or euphonium or tenorhorn. 123 on the F-side is even a very sharp f-sharp. But why using that, if you have the Bb-side just a valve stroke away. Go back to do some solfege instead playing with the tuner, as if you play with the tuner, you will lip up or down the note in question automatically. But if you go to the next note, the desaster will be unchanged. Listen better to your playing & correct the note by mini-lip-action & the use of the right hand. But avoid right hand action when you can correct the pitch by the lip action. It is a MINI-ACTION not a bif affair. You also have two sides of the horn at hand (F & Bb). Why dont you use both sides in a proper way ? Just choosing the better in tune pitches from every horn no matter in high, middle or low range. The g1 is better in pitch on the F-side, all e-flats are better on the Bb-side, the f2 is best with 1 on Bb, the d2 is best on F as open, the c-sharp2 is best with 2 on F (not with 12), the e-flat2 (if played on F) should be fingered with 2 not 23. g2 is open on both sides not 1 on Bb. The only combination fingering 23 comes for the g-sharp as 2 on Bb is flat allways. This means, using the F-side up to e2 or even g2 (except delicate entrances) is much better intonation wise as Bb up from c2. The exception is the e-flat1 & e-flat2 on 1 Bb, as it is much better in tune as on the F-side. Low octave from c1 down: all on the F-side until f-sharp (3rd ledger line below staff), then continue on the Bb, as all notes speak much better. Get the same C to G on the F-side (impossible on the Bb-side anyway) & the rest down to the fundamental on the Bb-horn, but avoid farting. Get it with proper lip opening & just releasing more or less air according to the dynamic requests. But never BLOW the air into the horn. RELEASE the air instead. Refrain from over practising every passage. These things, like Mahler 1, must work after trying it twice or threetimes. Otherwise stay away from such pieces, if you are not mature enough. It is the wrong method, practising a spot to death, because fundamental things have not been acquired first. It is much better, to practise a certain technique LONG BEFORE such tasks might come up. Otherwise you will slip & fall upon your snout earlier or later. Remember, it is far not a waste of time, to practise Kopprasch, Maxime-Alphonse, Paudert, DeGrave or the Schantl books. It improves your skill, so you can master such special - ooops, Mahler 1 is quite conservative even for the ADVANCED amateur - tasks. I wonder, that some of you (the ones I tried to address with my letter) even teach students, but are improper trained themselves. Yes, I admit, not everybody can be trained like the Philharmonics, but the basic elements are an absolute MUST. Greetings from Far East (NE Thailand), where you find very fast internet access everywhere at nearly zero costs (65 US ct./hour) Hans > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > An: horn@music.memphis.edu > Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Mahler 1 Excerpt Question > Datum: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:00:37 EDT > > > Thanks, by the way. I shall try them in the practice room shortly :) > > -William > > In a message dated 8/24/2005 5:52:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Hi William - here's my 2 cents worth: to avoid the severest intonation > and > smoothness issues, stay with short fingerings on the F horn, and long > fingerings on the Bb horn. So - Db, use trigger 2/3, Eb use trigger 1, > but the F, > use F horn 1. The Db might be low (or high - depends on your horn) - use > your hand to fix the Db, and any other note. > > As for sound, keep in mind that it's not a horn solo section - the horn > is > used in collaboration with other instruments. > > Sandra > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de > -- SigfridFafner the under ground horn player from Vienna Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! Satte Provisionen für GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner _
