RE: [Hornlist] A concert I wish I knew about before I read the reviewin the Times
Was the writer of the article a vegetarian, as he mentioned "hunting" as "Love of killing animals" ? Could say more about this kind of sanctimoniousness Hunting was & is necessary, but admitted, if it goes into sport, the writer was right -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Hirsch Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 4:13 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] A concert I wish I knew about before I read the reviewin the Times Apparently the tradition of the 18th century itinerant horn duo isn't completely dead: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/05/arts/music/05rebe.html Seeing as how this concert took place only a 20 minute subway ride from my home on a night that I wasn't busy, I am more than a little chagrined that I missed it. Well, maybe this was the start of a trend and I'll get another opportunity before I die, but I somehow doubt it. Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: lacquer removal
In a message dated 11/5/05 1:00:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, William writes: > I have heard of less harsh chemicals though that remove lacquer, and even > that very hot water and baking soda would do it but I'm not so sure about > that. > > There are several different kinds of lacquer that respond differently to efforts to remove them. There used to be warnings in the owner's manual in the old days not to wash the horn with water that was too hot because the lacquer would peel off. I've heard tales from others that it happened to them but I was never priveleged to witness it myself. That was the old style cellulose based lacquer. Sometime around 1960, Conn introduced epoxy lacquer which was much tougher. I've heard that the stuff was invented to paint Boeing 707s (remember those?). The story was that Boeing needed something that would stand up to temperature extremes and that not having pigment saved considerable weight when covering a huge jetliner. So, needless to say, hot water won't faze it. There are some chemicals that will whisk it right off, but it's best left to a shop that's set up for that. King had it's own special stuff that apparently only really comes off in a tank full of heated lye. This is the stuff they've been using on the newer Conns (Kings in disguise). The newer Conn lacquer peels and cracks quite readily if you don't want it to but none of the usual chemicals work on it very well at all. With Halloween over with, I'm not thinking I'll get around to mixing up a tank of boiling lye for another year now though. I don't think the hot water and baking soda would do anything, maybe your friend was thinking of the lye thing. I didn't realize that ultrasonics would do it as Hans suggests but that sounds like a good way to go. It makes sense that it would work if you got the setting right. I hear that if you turn the transducers up high enough, you can blow the horn completely apart! - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] National Wind Ensemble-Mid America Productions
Has anyone participated in or had any students participate in the National Wind Ensemble held at Carnegie Hall? It is done by Mid-America Productions. This is my first time hearing of this and was wondering what the experience was like for past participants. It seems to have been going on for awhile. Any insight would be helpful because one of my students just got accepted and needs to confirm by November 18. Paulette Velazquez http://www.music-minds.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] (708) 927-2233 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] A concert I wish I knew about before I read the review in the Times
Apparently the tradition of the 18th century itinerant horn duo isn't completely dead: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/05/arts/music/05rebe.html Seeing as how this concert took place only a 20 minute subway ride from my home on a night that I wasn't busy, I am more than a little chagrined that I missed it. Well, maybe this was the start of a trend and I'll get another opportunity before I die, but I somehow doubt it. Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Music for horn, clarinet, and piano
--- Kathrynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello-- > Can anyone recommend some good arrangements of Christmas music for horn, > clarinet and piano (any level of difficulty)? Honestly I am quite surprised, that there have been no replies to this posting, so I will try to make suggestions in a more general way: Please allow me to use my own editions of Danish hymns and carols as pedagogical samples. They can be downloaded for free from http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb2/files/Danske%20salmer/ There are, among others, scores for horns, clarinets, and keyboards. There are several permutations of part distribution possible. A. The keyboard plays all 4 parts. The clarinet doubles the melody. The horn doubles the tenor or the bass line (but never the alto line in a such trio set-up. Try it once and you will understand why). One variant would be to let the horn play the melody and let the clarinet double the tenor line. B. Is a more advanced variant of the above. I am not extremely fond of wind instruments playing in unisono with a piano. The intonation, the attack, and the release all offend my ears. This takes a pianist being able to omit the parts played by the two wind instruments. The right hand plays the alto line, and the left hand plays the bass line in octaves, if the winds play the S&T lines. A special variant would have the clarinet play the alto line, the horn play the tenor line, and the piano playing the melody as well as the bass line in octaves. With an accomplished pianist this is easily done from my editions of Danish hymns and carols, where all transpositions are already done. The basic idea is to think like an organ player selecting various stops. But of course you are out after a much wider selection of repertory. As long as we stay within the frame of hymns and carols I would believe, that all major US churches have their own two staff/four part hymn score books like we have here in the Peoples Church of Denmark. (That term was coined long before Marx and Mao). The pianists role will be the same as in my above samples. And so will the roles of the clarinet and the horn. Only they will have to transpose. But learning to read C concert parts in treble and bass clefs is no problem whatsoever for even amateurs. They just have to have acquired the minimum skills of music theory. If you want to play the more show type of Christmas music, let the clarinet do the melody, the piano do the comp work, and let the horn-player make up his/hers own long note parts from the chord symbols. It may be tough to transpose chord symbols. but saxophone players do that every day for a living. With time more advanced interpretations of the chord symbols will develop all by them self. I am fully aware, that i have given no specific here and now easy repertory access. But I hope that the experiences from a lifetime as a musical journeyman have provided you some tools to develop on. Klaus __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR Unusal and Very Expensive Instruments
Now that is funny. Can we get them to do Til Eulenspiegel next? -William In a message dated 11/5/2005 5:53:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some of you may remember that at the inaugural US F1 Grand Prix at Indy, the Renault engineers programmed their F1 engine's warmup sequence to play "When the Saints Go Marching In". http://www.fearme.com/img/cars_misc/Chauffe2.mp3 After their world championship win this season, the guys back at Renault F1 HQ decided they needed something appropriate, so they stuck an engine on the dyno, hooked up a mic, and played Queen's "We Are The Champions." Enjoy. http://www.renaultf1.com/en/binaries/RS25_WeAreTheChampion_tcm3-41644.mp3 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NHR Unusal and Very Expensive Instruments
Original Message Subject: We are the Champions Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:20:36 -0600 Some of you may remember that at the inaugural US F1 Grand Prix at Indy, the Renault engineers programmed their F1 engine's warmup sequence to play "When the Saints Go Marching In". http://www.fearme.com/img/cars_misc/Chauffe2.mp3 After their world championship win this season, the guys back at Renault F1 HQ decided they needed something appropriate, so they stuck an engine on the dyno, hooked up a mic, and played Queen's "We Are The Champions." Enjoy. http://www.renaultf1.com/en/binaries/RS25_WeAreTheChampion_tcm3-41644.mp3 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lacquer Removal
Well see I hadn't planned on a really big job, just something that would slowly allow me to peel it away. I'd still like to keep my lacquer on the valve caps and the bell for now though, just to see what it looks like. -William ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lacquer Removal
Find a place that does furniture stripping. They can get lacquer off pretty easily, but epoxy might be more difficult for them. You should be able to polish it afterwards. A simple plywood fixture that clamps the bell rim so the horn can be mounted in a vise will save hours polishing because you can rag the horn with both hands. The trick to doing the stripping yourself is to use highest quality stripper. The most potent JASCO is available at home depot. I work on a big piece of cardboard in my driveway, with a high pressure hose nozzle. Let the stripper do the work. Three or four applications might be necessary. If you're fixing up an old horn, or eBay special, since you'll have it all taken apart, there are some added steps that can make an amazing difference in the final result. A quart of toilet bowl cleaner containing HCl will clean the scale from the inside of the tubing. Fill each section of tubing for about five minutes. Filling the tubing, as opposed to a dip tank, is pretty safe for the inexperienced. Since the quantity of HCl is fixed, the reaction is pretty self limiting. I usually do a rough polishing with the horn apart, then clean and degrease with detergent, inside and out. You should leak check the horn before the finish polishing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:24:46 EST Subject: [Hornlist] Lacquer Removal My lacquer is slowly coming off in a spot or two on my Brass horn, and I've seriously thought about speeding up the process. What options are there to quickly remove the lacquer on my horn? I'm looking for ideas that don't use really harsh outdoor chemicals. -William ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] mozart 3
You mean the cigar ?? Do you ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlberg Jones Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:19 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] mozart 3 At 3:13 PM -0500 11/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Here in the US, we had a President who said he didn't inhale. Perhaps >we should study this idea more closely. She did it for him. C Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] mozart 3
But you have one, who did inhale a lot in the past , but in liquid form. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:13 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] mozart 3 > And the mass between will not inhale nor exhale Here in the US, we had a President who said he didn't inhale. Perhaps we should study this idea more closely. jrc ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] mozart 3
At 3:13 PM -0500 11/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Here in the US, we had a President who said he didn't inhale. Perhaps >we should study this idea more closely. She did it for him. C Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] mozart 3
> And the mass between will not inhale nor exhale Here in the US, we had a President who said he didn't inhale. Perhaps we should study this idea more closely. jrc ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Music for horn, clarinet, and piano
Hello-- Can anyone recommend some good arrangements of Christmas music for horn, clarinet and piano (any level of difficulty)? Thank you! ---Kathrynne ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lacquer Removal
Thanks for the advice. At the current rate the lacquer will probably be gone in 3 years since it is slowly flaking off, so maybe I could wait. I have heard of less harsh chemicals though that remove lacquer, and even that very hot water and baking soda would do it but I'm not so sure about that. Hope things are going well where you are, they're very quiet here post-Katrina. -William ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Lacquer Removal
Best would be a ultra sonic bath. Look for a company which might use such facilities & ask them if they could do the process for you. If you would use chemicals yourself you would encounter the problem how to dispose them after use, quite some hazzle. Or wait, until your horn needs a complete check-up. Get all done by a reliable instrument company, as they have the facilities. Do it yourself is not a wise decision in this matter. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:25 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Lacquer Removal My lacquer is slowly coming off in a spot or two on my Brass horn, and I've seriously thought about speeding up the process. What options are there to quickly remove the lacquer on my horn? I'm looking for ideas that don't use really harsh outdoor chemicals. -William ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
