Re: [Hornlist] What is "bell tone"
--- Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My son's County Band music - first rehearsal tomorrow - says "bell tone" for > a few measures. We didn't think to ask his teacher, who we won't see until > after the rehearsal. The bell tone effect is an emulation of a series of bells ringing like from a church tower. Each instrument in a section, most often trombones and horns, has each its own forte entry, from where it makes a bell like diminuendo down to mf or mp. Thereby making space for the next section member doing the same procedure on a different note of the chord on the next beat. The overall effect is a broken chord of forte entries ending in a common decay of the full chord represented in a shared diminuendo by the full section. In my country the term of bell tones (klokketoner) also was used in another context, when we played old-fashioned military brass band arrangement during my youth. The 1st baritone often played a lot of arpeggio work taken from the original harp or cello parts. That arpeggio-work often was drowned out by the middle brasses playing chord notes on every beat. The middle parts then were asked to play "klokketoner", which meant that they should play a clear attack and then immediately make a fast decay during the rest of the note value, thereby making it possible for the arpeggio-work to be heard. One summer I studied with a retired 1st baritone from one of our military bands (he taught me for free, because he found me an interesting student). Karlo Nielsen, as his name was, told me, that the trick also worked the other way round, as the arpeggios hardly leaved any time to take a good inhalation: "You never have to play the first arpeggio-note in a bar. The bell-note-chord of the band will cover up, that you are cheating just to take in some air!" Of course Karlo represented a style already outdated back then in 1967, but in his own way he was a fine musician. And he most certainly was the one teaching me to listen to all of the ensemble with the purpose to adapt, and if necessary also to support members running into difficulties. Klaus __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] What is "bell tone"
My son's County Band music - first rehearsal tomorrow - says "bell tone" for a few measures. We didn't think to ask his teacher, who we won't see until after the rehearsal. Can anyone enlighten us on this point? Thanks in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] A concert I wish I knew about before I read thereviewin t
Yeah, yeah, political correctness, thinking about the job, not believing into the things, putting all in question, . Shit world without characters like you & me, including all the mistakes we committed, but we could say sorry afterwards, with all the clams we did without the chance for an excuse or a chance to erase it, Nevertheless, a world with even difficult or strange characters is more fun to live in than living in a society supervised by the super correct BIG BROTHER, or to live in a society which is built on lies & by liers, at least the last twentyfive years .. We prepare a world premiere for end next week. It plays in a church. The piece is called MEDUSA. The acting field is between violins , woodwinds & percussion on the one side & brass, violas, violoncellos & bass on the other side. Sometimes we have no chance to see the conductor, as the play is just between him & us. On my left side there are two gentlemen, one with a trumpet & one with a cello. But they dont use it. Eventually they join a female clarinettist (also without any note to play) to participate on the play by acting & producing several Italian spoken or whispered sentences while acting with the clar, trump or cello bow. The one actor told me, that the composer (?) worked with them on one single short sentence for 30 minutes. The whole piece of about one hour duration employs the two horns for not more than a total of two or three minutes or less. All other pages are empty. There is not much to do for the other instruments either, but there are many singers, jumping around, appearing or disappearing once a while, producing absolute illogical voice jumps, mostly unaccompagnied. This all is not anything bad, but just poor. But the worst is it, that there is not a single climax, not in the orchestra, nor in the singers. Funny, it starts with a full measure conductor solo, which comes again twice during the piece. Sounds great, as everybody can understand, that the baton does not make any sound. Some might think it be a great relaxe, but it is not. It is anti-stress, as you start hating the waste of time involved with such a production. In times where money comes short for every organisation, such productions consume a lot of extra budget (extra hired players, singers, decoration, advertising, etc.), which is missing in the main budget. And, if you just have to play g below staff, in piano or pianissimo dynamics with the mute in, imitated by tuba, trumpet, trombone, doublebass, bassclarinet & timpani, but just a sixteenth apart each other, you start thinking, be on the wrong planet, or what for did I study Kopprasch & all the other nice things. If the composer had employed just a synthesizer, a fiddle or two & a double bass, it would not make any difference. But royalties are better the bigger the instrument rooster. I do not mind a very futuristic & real difficult modern score, but a senseless score lacking all essential for a dramatic performance, what for . == == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:58 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] A concert I wish I knew about before I read thereviewin t Prof. Pizka Postulated: Was the writer of the article a vegetarian, as he mentioned "hunting" as "Love of killing animals" ? Could say more about this kind of sanctimoniousness Hunting was & is necessary, but admitted, if it goes into sport, the writer was right Now, Hans, you are a classical scholar and you should make the rememberings that we must always "consider the source" which in this case is a MUSIC CRITIC for the NEW YORK TIMES so even if he knows something about his subject, which is unlikely, he has to spin it according to editorial policies (not to mention whims) of his bosses and he probably feels that way anyhow since he has worked there a long time punctum! Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Celebrations of St. Hubert's Day Recently, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Exit 2 Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, "The Phantom Lane Changers" Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ Author, "The Kopprasch Connection," "
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 35, Issue 6
What a great tone quality. Some horn players sounded similar (not exaggerating !) .. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:49 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 35, Issue 6 Bill Gross asked us to make examinations of: _http://www.fearme.com/img/cars_misc/Chauffe2.mp3_ (http://www.fearme.com/img/cars_misc/Chauffe2.mp3) and _http://www.renaultf1.com/en/binaries/RS25_WeAreTheChampion_ tcm3-41644.mp3_ (http://www.renaultf1.com/en/binaries/RS25_WeAreTheChampion_ tcm3-41644.mp3) Now, I thought these musics were fantastics as well as novels (not to make the mentionings of loud) but what I really, really, really want to know is whether this mostestest stalwartestest and fastestest of automotive conveyance's exhaust system is a Geyer or a Kruspe wrap? Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Racings Onwards, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Exit 2 Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, "The Phantom Lane Changers" Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ Author, "The Kopprasch Connection," "Kopprasch for Fun and Profit," "Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In?" "Hooked on Hornonics," and "What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn?" Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes E-mail: yes Website: no "Kopprasch will keep you in the fast lane!" ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] lacquer removal
There are several different kinds of lacquer that respond differently to efforts to remove them. There used to be warnings in the owner's manual in the old days not to wash the horn with water that was too hot because the lacquer would peel off. I've heard tales from others that it happened to them but I was never priveleged to witness it myself. That was the old style cellulose based lacquer.< Steve and list, I have had the privilege of seeing cellulose lacquer mixed with hot water. I was cleaning up my 1934 Conn in a tub of hot water and the lacquer just came right off. Some turned a little gummy and stayed on the horn till I washed it off with a hose, most of it just came off in small sheets and floated on the hot water. LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] A concert I wish I knew about before I read the reviewin t
Prof. Pizka Postulated: Was the writer of the article a vegetarian, as he mentioned "hunting" as "Love of killing animals" ? Could say more about this kind of sanctimoniousness Hunting was & is necessary, but admitted, if it goes into sport, the writer was right Now, Hans, you are a classical scholar and you should make the rememberings that we must always "consider the source" which in this case is a MUSIC CRITIC for the NEW YORK TIMES so even if he knows something about his subject, which is unlikely, he has to spin it according to editorial policies (not to mention whims) of his bosses and he probably feels that way anyhow since he has worked there a long time punctum! Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Celebrations of St. Hubert's Day Recently, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Exit 2 Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, "The Phantom Lane Changers" Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ Author, "The Kopprasch Connection," "Kopprasch for Fun and Profit," "Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In?" "Hooked on Hornonics," and "What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn?" Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes E-mail: yes Website: no "Kopprasch is the meat. Alphonse is the fruit. Do you want to sound meaty or fruity?" ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 35, Issue 6
Bill Gross asked us to make examinations of: _http://www.fearme.com/img/cars_misc/Chauffe2.mp3_ (http://www.fearme.com/img/cars_misc/Chauffe2.mp3) and _http://www.renaultf1.com/en/binaries/RS25_WeAreTheChampion_tcm3-41644.mp3_ (http://www.renaultf1.com/en/binaries/RS25_WeAreTheChampion_tcm3-41644.mp3) Now, I thought these musics were fantastics as well as novels (not to make the mentionings of loud) but what I really, really, really want to know is whether this mostestest stalwartestest and fastestest of automotive conveyance's exhaust system is a Geyer or a Kruspe wrap? Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Racings Onwards, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Exit 2 Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, "The Phantom Lane Changers" Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ Author, "The Kopprasch Connection," "Kopprasch for Fun and Profit," "Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In?" "Hooked on Hornonics," and "What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn?" Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes E-mail: yes Website: no "Kopprasch will keep you in the fast lane!" ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: lacquer removal
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There used to be warnings in the owner's manual in the old days not to
wash the horn with water that was too hot because the lacquer would peel
off. I've heard tales from others that it happened to them but I was
never priveleged to witness it myself. That was the old style cellulose
based lacquer.
Here is such a tale - my horn dates from 1961. I used to soak it in hot
soapy water in a bathtub. The lacquer gradually cracked and went missing
in many places; I saw flakes come off in the water, and with a fingernail
I was able to chip off bits after a bath. I believe that the heat expands
the metal more than the brittle lacquer, so the lacquer has to separate
from the metal. And the soap helps the water to penetrate between the
lacquer and the metal. Nobody ever gave me a manual or instructions.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] National Wind Ensemble-Mid America Productions
Sorry for sending a private e-mail to the list it is early this morning. Debbie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] National Wind Ensemble-Mid America Productions
Sure, How worthwhile is dependent on the conductor ... It can be spotty depending on who they have I know the women that runs this and have had students play. Normally one of the guys from the Philharmonic seats people. If you have something specific contact me. Debbie Schmidt Tisch center for the Arts ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] National Wind Ensemble-Mid America Productions
What's there to know? It's Carnegie Hall. I would send them in a "New York minute". Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paulette Velazquez Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:16 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] National Wind Ensemble-Mid America Productions Has anyone participated in or had any students participate in the National Wind Ensemble held at Carnegie Hall? It is done by Mid-America Productions. This is my first time hearing of this and was wondering what the experience was like for past participants. It seems to have been going on for awhile. Any insight would be helpful because one of my students just got accepted and needs to confirm by November 18. Paulette Velazquez http://www.music-minds.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] (708) 927-2233 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
