Re: [Hornlist] More air enigma
More air - if I've heard it once I've heard it a thousand times. Yes, more air comes through, but what is wanted is usually more support. Think of a plastic bag, open on one end. No air moves in or out. Now, if you close one end with your hand tightly, no air moves in or out. If you open that hand slightly and push slightly on the other side, air begins to come out. The harder you push, the more air comes out. At some point, you are pushing too hard, straining your pushing arm muscles against the back pressure. Now, if you open the hand constricting the end of the bag, you can support the moving air column with more pressure before you get back pressure. More air comes out, and you can push harder to get more air to come out before it becomes inefficient. You want a relaxed, but efficient flow of the air column at all times. Counterproductive to that is any combination of constricted throat or oral cavity, poor embouchure, poor posture, poor lung filling, under- or over-support of muscles emptying the lungs. Any or all of that could be going on, causing someone to say you need more air. As you well know, just forcing more air does not produce the desired result. Finding the right combination of opening and support to produce the right sound is something you need to work on. If your current teacher can't locate the problem, find another teacher. I am sure that other listers can provide a lot of good exercises to help. I like to play exercises starting at mp or mf with a good tone, and crescendo and decrescendo over the whole dynamic range, keeping that good tone. Long tones are like strength training for me. Do this with long tones, remembering to keep everything from your shoulders and above as relaxed and open as possible, and fill your lungs before you play. Hope all that helped. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Dover score question
A question about the Dover score printing of Mozart's 3rd concerto, K447. Is it essentially like the original (uhrtext), or is it edited in some way? And what about the horn part? Thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org (orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Dover score question
Dover scores are normally based on very old editions and I would suggest that they are far from being Urtext! If you want Urtext for Mozart you'd be Barenreiter (sorry can't find the umlaut or should it be ea or ae?). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Canarutto Sent: 27 November 2005 14:39 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Dover score question A question about the Dover score printing of Mozart's 3rd concerto, K447. Is it essentially like the original (uhrtext), or is it edited in some way? And what about the horn part? Thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org (orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineone.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: I'm back, and a warning
Good friggin' grief. I jinxed myself. I just did it AGAIN! I'm going to keep playing my horn this time if it kills me. On 11/19/05, Sharon Zurflieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nearly four years ago I announced that I was coming back to this list after a five-year childbearing hiatus. . . . Well, a few days after I made that announcement in February of 2002, guess what - I found out that #3 was on the way -- Sharon Zurflieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.wi.rr.com/zurf ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Dover score question
The original text is found in the HENLE edition, prepared by Hendrik Wiese. Look under HENLE VERLAG Muenchen. And it is not uhrtext, which means text of the watch but urtext, meaning original first text. As the concerto no.3 K.447, which was the no.1 written by Mozart published such by Andre in Offenbach 1801, is the only horn concerto by Mozarts hand completely existant, there is no reason why to edit it at all. All is available by Mozarts hand. If you think, inserting some slurs or staccato dots be editing, than you are wrong. These thgings are inserted for practical use, nothing else. These things are up to the soloist´s freedom. But inserting trills or grace notes or starting the given trills by a higher grace note would change the style definitely, as these trills would be preclassic rather Leopold Mozartesque than (W.A.) Mozartian. There are indeed some prominent solists who dare to change notes here there in masterpieces, just to make them different. Famous Hans Richter (horn soloist worl famous conductor in Wagners time) would have accused these soloists as musical criminals. I possess such an original (autograph) letter by his hand. Daniel, if you listen to Dennis Brains recording you will hear pure Mozart, nothing else, no Dennis Brain, but Mozart. Dennis Brain used his art to serve to the genius. That´s exactly what we should do. With violins it was David Oistrakh, who did so. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Canarutto Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:39 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Dover score question A question about the Dover score printing of Mozart's 3rd concerto, K447. Is it essentially like the original (uhrtext), or is it edited in some way? And what about the horn part? Thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org (orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Dover score question
Simon, have you ever heard about my book Das Horn bei Mozart, a facsimile edition, 1980 ? It contains all available Mozartian autographs of horn concertos. Sorry, it is sold out since years, but you might find it in greater State Music libraries. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Twigge Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:17 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Dover score question Dover scores are normally based on very old editions and I would suggest that they are far from being Urtext! If you want Urtext for Mozart you'd be Barenreiter (sorry can't find the umlaut or should it be ea or ae?). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Canarutto Sent: 27 November 2005 14:39 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Dover score question A question about the Dover score printing of Mozart's 3rd concerto, K447. Is it essentially like the original (uhrtext), or is it edited in some way? And what about the horn part? Thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org (orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineo ne.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] More air enigma
The term 'more air' is too limited, and just doesn't convey the process except to someone who already knows it. The explanation I find my students can relate to, and practice, is to equate it to blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. First you must learn to fill your lungs completely, then use the diaphragm to pressurize your air supply. Finally, the throat and lips are used to release the air in controlled puffs directed at each individual candle. When you are told to use more air it is often because your sound is fading out from loss of air supply, or you are sneaking up on attacks to preserve what little air you have stored. As you start to gain control of the air release, you will gain the ability to feel the quality and location of the natural resistance in the horn. There is a big difference between mouthpiece resistance and the resistance of a smaller bell throat. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:25:29 EST Subject: Re: [Hornlist] More air enigma More air - if I've heard it once I've heard it a thousand times. Yes, more air comes through, but what is wanted is usually more support. Think of a plastic bag, open on one end. No air moves in or out. Now, if you close one end with your hand tightly, no air moves in or out. If you open that hand slightly and push slightly on the other side, air begins to come out. The harder you push, the more air comes out. At some point, you are pushing too hard, straining your pushing arm muscles against the back pressure. Now, if you open the hand constricting the end of the bag, you can support the moving air column with more pressure before you get back pressure. More air comes out, and you can push harder to get more air to come out before it becomes inefficient. You want a relaxed, but efficient flow of the air column at all times. Counterproductive to that is any combination of constricted throat or oral cavity, poor embouchure, poor posture, poor lung filling, under- or over-support of muscles emptying the lungs. Any or all of that could be going on, causing someone to say you need more air. As you well know, just forcing more air does not produce the desired result. Finding the right combination of opening and support to produce the right sound is something you need to work on. If your current teacher can't locate the problem, find another teacher. I am sure that other listers can provide a lot of good exercises to help. I like to play exercises starting at mp or mf with a good tone, and crescendo and decrescendo over the whole dynamic range, keeping that good tone. Long tones are like strength training for me. Do this with long tones, remembering to keep everything from your shoulders and above as relaxed and open as possible, and fill your lungs before you play. Hope all that helped. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn music for sale
Hello all, I am selling my horn music online at eBay bit by bit, and here are the latest items up for auction. These include the complete first horn parts to the Mahler Symphonies, as well as some solo works and studies. The horn quartets are quite nice to have on hand as well. French Horn Music Studies of Kopprasch, Mueller, Brahms Item number: 7370423279 French Horn Music Solo works of Hindemith and Francaix Item number: 7370424721 French Horn Music of Mahler, Strauss, and Reynolds Item number: 7370426128 French Horn Music Quartets for 4 Horns by Fr. Gumbert Item number: 7370427788 Thanks again, Penny Ward Marcus ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
