Re: [Hornlist] Knopf family

2006-01-02 Thread Richard V. West
Hi Tom:

I sorted it all out in an article in the February 2004 Horn Call. If you need a 
copy, via email, contact me off line at:

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Both sides of the family made quality horns, with the August Knopf side being a 
little more experimental (see Morley-Pegge). HF Knopf horns are still being 
made in Markneukirchen by HF's grandson, Christian Knopf. Edgar Knopf (his 
cousin) was the last of the August Knopf line and retired in 1998.

Richard West
Seattle
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  Hi,

  Can list members help me to work out who is who in the
  Knopf family?  I am aware of August and Herbert Fritz
  as two distinct makers - and have been told that one
  make is a budget horn and the other a professional
  line.  Is this so, and if so, which is which - and are
  there any other Knopfs I don't know about?


  Tom



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Re: [Hornlist] The real meaning of Clamsaa

2006-01-02 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
 
 
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You mean  you were actually there to see them used to pull people from  horse?


I never said that.  I merely asked if you were aware.
 
All the best,
 
A delightfully young Lawrence
 
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RE: [Hornlist] The real meaning of Clamsaa

2006-01-02 Thread Bill Gross
You mean you were actually there to see them used to pull people from horse?




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Ah, mention of the sackbutt takes me back to the days when I ran an early  
music group and delighted in jugs of mead and ale bought by the fixer.  
 
Did you know that the sackbut, which later developed(?) into the trombone  
originated in times of war as a device designed to pull a man from a  horse?
 
All the best,
 
Lawrence
 
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Re: [Hornlist] The real meaning of Clamsaa

2006-01-02 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
Ah, mention of the sackbutt takes me back to the days when I ran an early  
music group and delighted in jugs of mead and ale bought by the fixer.  
 
Did you know that the sackbut, which later developed(?) into the trombone  
originated in times of war as a device designed to pull a man from a  horse?
 
All the best,
 
Lawrence
 
"þaes  ofereode - þisses swa maeg"

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[Hornlist] Knopf family

2006-01-02 Thread Tom Fisher
Hi,

Can list members help me to work out who is who in the
Knopf family?  I am aware of August and Herbert Fritz
as two distinct makers - and have been told that one
make is a budget horn and the other a professional
line.  Is this so, and if so, which is which - and are
there any other Knopfs I don't know about?


Tom



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[Hornlist] The real meaning of Clamsaa

2006-01-02 Thread WIlliam Botte
Whilst dining and imbibing (Lone Star beer, Thunderbird wine, pickled 
eggs and 3 kinds of kim chee) with friends during New Clamsaa Day, the 
real meaning of Clamsaa became bone of contention between the Sachbutts 
and Posaunes.  After the melee had been cleared by the police and 
ambulance staff, the more refined and unarmed celebrants quickly 
realized the true meaning of Clamsaa resided in the wisdom of the light 
weight pamphlet, The Theory of Trickle Down Clamsaanomickx.  Some 
saxophonics honked at this but were out voted.   The High Holy Day of 
Clamsaa is celebrated on April 15 (US only).


En Hoyer Veritas
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RE: [Hornlist] Casanova Players?

2006-01-02 Thread Prof.Hans Pizka
There was a certain motion picture "The stories of Casanova"
many , many years ago. It was for adult only, but they had
Mozart K.447 as a background music. I could identify the
prominent Czech soloist, but do not reveal his identity.
Sorry ! 

Would be interesting to know, why they chose two natural
horn players for the picture in the NY Times. Some special
sense behind  ? Could be, if the responsible author
had some insider knowledge, perhaps .,..

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Hi Listers:

Can anyone identify the two natural horn players pictured in
today's NY Times article about the use of Baroque music in
the new motion picture, "Casanova?"

Richard West
Seattle
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[Hornlist] Casanova Players?

2006-01-02 Thread Richard V. West
Hi Listers:

Can anyone identify the two natural horn players pictured in today's NY Times 
article about the use of Baroque music in the new motion picture, "Casanova?"

Richard West
Seattle
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Re: [Hornlist] Marching

2006-01-02 Thread MerkerMistress
Paxmaha said:
"When done right it can be smoother than the old style toe-first step.  "
 
Well one would hope so. All too often we forget that the most important  idea 
of a marching style is to provide the most energy efficient method of  
getting from point A to point B. Yes, uniformity is important, and the  
determining 
factor in deciding what is "the correct" method in a given ensemble,  but if 
it hinders musical performance, it is useless. Often while  teaching marching 
technique to bands (at least with my own experience)  instructors don't 
emphasize enough the concept of using their  chosen marching technique to 
improve 
playing ability while on the move. A  big part of that is also emphasizing 
upper 
body control and aligning the body  above a center. Theoretically, it should 
not matter what the lower half of the  body is doing as long as there is 
control in the upper body, sometimes taught as  the "musical vs athletic" 
halves. 
(which can be deceiving as the upper  body must be quite athletic no matter 
what 
kind of playing is being  done) This, however, takes time and practice in 
developing. Also, many  directors are more concerned with looking good than 
understanding that if  everyone uses marching to their advantage it will 
greatly 
improve sound, as well  as uniformity. I guess that concept takes too much 
patience and understanding  for some. A lot of the strange marching styles are 
kind 
of like  communism. They may seem good on paper, but when put into action 
they are  just not practical or take too much to build the needed muscle 
support 
to make  the style energy efficient. One must not forget to use the marching 
as a tool to  improve playing ability while moving, not a problem or hindrance 
that must  be overcome. 
 
>From what has been described, the most sense I can make out it is that the  
teacher wants to use somewhat of a "bicycle step" type of marching. In drum  
corps, which is what a lot of competitive high school marching bands try to  
imitate, everyone has variations of "precision marching" but they all have  the 
same concept of balance and control. Your particular  description makes me 
think of maybe the Cavaliers (bent knees, but roll step) as  opposed to The 
Cadets 
(straight leg roll step). Others have said most of  this already, so I 
apologize for redundancy. Maybe try talking to your student  to see if she is 
making 
it a point to control the upper body, keep  good breath control, and keep 
good body alignment for balance. 
 
The 'toes first' method hasn't been used for awhile, as some have said  
already on here. It isn't all that efficient because why would you set the  
energy 
down on the toe, then actually move the direction of energy backwards as  the 
heel is brought down. I guess marching could be explained as sort of a  
catabolic reaction. The only time that I know of the toe being brought down  
first 
is when halting in order to stop the forward energy flow, or to change  
directions. Anyways, I digress. 
 
The only sensible think I could think of to help you is to see if there is  
any way to improve the efficiency of this style of marching by further  
understanding the theory behind it. Maybe try talking to the teacher who  
selected 
this method, and make sure there is no major idea being omitted in the  
teaching 
of this style. If the importance of control and support is not  emphasized, 
no marching technique will seem logical. If there is no way to  improve upon 
the issue, try to get your student to concentrate on better  separating the top 
part of the body (while still keeping alignment of shoulders,  hips, head and 
ankles) from the legs...in other words, keep the top part of the  body steady 
so there is no wiggling or bouncing of arms, shoulders (keeping in  mind 
slides and facing of course) or head. Also, maybe try having your student  
(depending on how high of a priority this issue is) practice this marching step 
 by 
breaking it down into small parts. Take a half of a step and hold it while  
holding the horn in playing position. Then take a whole step and hold it, then 
a  
step and a half, so as to understand tracking and subdivisions, as well as  
improving balance...then two steps and so on. Only then can things like 8-5,  
6-5, 12-5, backwards marching 3-5 or anything crazy like that be taught  
effectively. 
 
I just figured I'd try to help a bit, as that's what I would do in hers or  
your situation. However, I am just a student myself, so take my words with  a 
grain of salt, so to speak. 

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Re: [Hornlist] Marching

2006-01-02 Thread David Jewell
This is indeed the current style of corps marching.  There are band shoes 
available that have specially designed heels and soles to faciliate this type 
of step.  When done right it can be smoother than the old style toe-first step. 
  Paxmaha

Wendell Rider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  OK, in the interests of getting back to the basics, I'm going to pose 
a question that everyone can chime in on. This seemed silly to me at 
first, but one of my students, a middle schooler, came in one day and 
told me her teacher was having them march by bringing the heel down 
first and rolling to the toe. The teacher actually shows them video 
tapes of other bands and has pointed out that the other bands are 
doing it wrong by using the old tried and true method of marching 
with the toes coming down first, thus lessening the shock.
Now am i just hopelessly out of date, is this some new philosophy of 
marching, or is this teacher just completely nuts? It has had a 
detrimental effect on my student's playing and has really upset her. 
Frankly I don't see how they can march this way at all. I would say 
that It might be that my student just got it wrong, but she has 
demonstrated exactly how her teacher told her to do it.
Sincerely,
Wendell Rider
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Re: [Hornlist] Marching

2006-01-02 Thread Walter E. Lewis
Uh, you forgot a few of  the Nations best Marching bands... The Big 
Ten has outstanding Marching Bands...


 In my opinion, some of the best bands are the University of 
Michigan and The Ohio State University Marching bands. They have 
outstanding programs and their bands perform at a very high level 
musically. Both universities pay very close detail to keeping their 
big sound. You could also include the big brass sound  of the 
Michigan State Marching Band...


I had a colleague in my horn section in college that transferred from 
Texas A & M. He was not impressed with the musical quality of the 
Aggie Band...They could march doing what we used to call 6 to 5 as 
well as any college band in the country...


A couple of other bands I enjoy hearing (when one can actually hear 
the band over the talking heads on TV...The Million dollar Marching 
Band at the University of Alabama...and the University of Texas 
Marching Band (just the sheer size of the band, I think at one point 
they marched over 400 members!) I caught the Texas Band's performance 
on TV against Michigan in  last years Rose Bowl. It was good to hear 
March Grandioso and to watch them march 6 to 5...


A great debate...It's just too bad we can't see the bands on TV 
except on New Year's day. I hate the fact they've got to show us 5000 
angles of how Reggie Bush scored a plunge touchdown Today should 
be a good day for actually seeing some of the half time shows on TV...


Happy New Year everyone.

Walt Lewis


At 02:02 AM 1/2/2006, you wrote:

Ok, now we are choosing sides of college bands?  The Aggies have a 
fine band, but the bands that are generating the best sounds out 
there are as follows The Florida State Marching Chiefs, The 
Louisiana State Tiger Band, and The University of Southern 
California Trojan Band. (No I didn't attend any of these universities )


Happy Thoughts
Chris
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Speaking from experience with what is undoubtedly the best marching
organization, the Texas Aggie Band, it's heels fist just like a person
walks.




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RE: [Hornlist] Re: the real meaning of Clamssa?

2006-01-02 Thread Prof.Hans Pizka
Herb, we also have to consider (while I am very conservative
on one side - musically, but extremely progressive on the
other - technically) that our world has changed the last
twenty years dramatically, but not to the better allways.
Special the music audience has detorriated much. Even here
in Munich, last night while playing La Boheme, we can
notice, that even our aufdience has no idea when to applaud
or how to applaud after an aria. They come in after a very
bravura aria with all the schnick-schnack & high notes or
very fast notes, and become enthusiastic even orgiastic, but
just for not more than very few minutes, even with the best
world class singers as we have here. So is the concert
audience. They even do not understand, if it was the final
movement of the symphony, so they can applaud.

I remember when the audience applauded like crazy for twenty
minutes in standing ovations after the super long (near six
hours) Goetterdaemmerung. Today ? You ask about today ?
Well, the applaud is over just when we left the pit, means
it took just about two minutes. People seem to be spoiled by
all kind of influx & not really enjoying being part of a
great performance. They take it like a fast food restaurant
dish.

Dont understand me wrong - perhaps I do express now just
what you also feel -, it is not necessary to celebrate some
(holy) music like it were a part of a (holy) mass, but we
should do it in a most noble way & not exhibitionistic &
selfish.

Had a nice conversation with my very young second horn last
night, telling him:
"Keep in mind, even out of a rather less interesting
performance without any challenging horn passage you have to
take home something, even a singer phrase which was
beautiful, or a certain exciting feeling you got when you
hook up with the story. If you cannot do it anymore, you
will be lost as a musician & artist & you will have degraded
to a mere entertainment worker or music worker, nothing else
!" He understood it well & said if he could not do this
anymore, he would quit the job & look for another
profession. He is right absolutely.

But it is not easy to keep this kind of a spirit high,
believe me.

New Year Concert 2006:
It was one of the three or four best New Year Concerts I
listened to (von Karajan & Harnoncourt & Kleiber perhaps).
Thzey told me they rehearsed very hard with Mariss Jansons,
even their most familiar pieces. But the orchestra sounded
most NOBLE. It was very different to other years as it was
not a fun or joyous concert but a very serious concert with
highest spirit & extreme fine playing by all groups.

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Thank you, Hans. You're right, it should be intimate, and I
did the best I could without having any "no-speakies." While
the piece is serious, one should not be too significant
about it. The audience particularly enjoyed the rollicking
Finale. The violinist started rather slowly so as not to go
beyond his abilities. However, we got caught up in the music
and everyone had fun. And that, I maintain, is more
important than being serious about it.

Herb Foster


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RE: [Hornlist] Re: the real meaning of Clamssa?

2006-01-02 Thread Herbert Foster
Thank you, Hans. You're right, it should be intimate, and I did the best I
could without having any "no-speakies." While the piece is serious, one should
not be too significant about it. The audience particularly enjoyed the
rollicking Finale. The violinist started rather slowly so as not to go beyond
his abilities. However, we got caught up in the music and everyone had fun. And
that, I maintain, is more important than being serious about it.

Herb Foster

--- "Prof.Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Isn�t the Brahms Trio too serious as to be abused as
> background music, even it caught the attention of the people
> at the reception ? Didn�t they rather listen out of the
> couriosety ? But bravo to you, anyway, that you treated an
> unprepared audience with one of the most serious chamber
> music pieces ever written !
> 
> Was the horn so loud as nobody could "talk over the horn in
> (the) small room" ? If so, you were not alone with this kind
> of interpretation, as most horn players try to play the most
> prominent role in this piece. Josef Schantl, who did it in
> an anticipated private premiere in Vienna, was one of the
> many horn players doing it in that way. But the piece is a
> most intimate piece, most intimate, where the horn plays
> rather a role like a stringed instrument, except perhaps in
> the Scherzo. All should be very light sung. But this is
> rather difficult for the majority of orchestra players who
> catch up with every short sequence of notes which looks like
> a solo. Not such a bad mistake, but the piece would have
> much more success played intimately. Just ideas !
> 
> Anyway, again gratulations, that you chose this wonderful
> piece, even it is most like "pearls before swine", but this
> is not your problem. It is the problem of the audience.  
> 




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RE: [Hornlist] Re: the real meaning of Clamssa?

2006-01-02 Thread Prof.Hans Pizka
Isn´t the Brahms Trio too serious as to be abused as
background music, even it caught the attention of the people
at the reception ? Didn´t they rather listen out of the
couriosety ? But bravo to you, anyway, that you treated an
unprepared audience with one of the most serious chamber
music pieces ever written !

Was the horn so loud as nobody could "talk over the horn in
(the) small room" ? If so, you were not alone with this kind
of interpretation, as most horn players try to play the most
prominent role in this piece. Josef Schantl, who did it in
an anticipated private premiere in Vienna, was one of the
many horn players doing it in that way. But the piece is a
most intimate piece, most intimate, where the horn plays
rather a role like a stringed instrument, except perhaps in
the Scherzo. All should be very light sung. But this is
rather difficult for the majority of orchestra players who
catch up with every short sequence of notes which looks like
a solo. Not such a bad mistake, but the piece would have
much more success played intimately. Just ideas !

Anyway, again gratulations, that you chose this wonderful
piece, even it is most like "pearls before swine", but this
is not your problem. It is the problem of the audience.  

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Thank you for pardoning my 2005 clams. I needed that. I have
already started on 2006. Today I performed Brahms Horn Trio.
There were clams, but more importantly, there was music,
too. Not too long ago I could not perform one movement
without my chops wearing out. Today I could have gone on
much longer.
The audience was appreciative. It started out as background
music for a reception, but soon everyone sat down and
listened. Of course, who can talk over the horn in a small
room?

I watched the video of Perlman, Barenboim, and Clevenger
performing the Brahms Horn Trio. Now there's an over-the-top
performance!

Herb Foster

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