RE: [Hornlist] Anniversary
Let me add my voice to the others offering thanks for the work done keeping this list going. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Anniversary
I've got alot to be thankful for to this list too. The knowledge imparted to me by members of the list has increased my knowledge of the instrument greatly...I would be a regular naive high school player without you guys. Even though I quit and returned, it's still the same list, with a few new and different names...Thank you Mr. Greene. Keepin it real...lol Michael K. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Raised Intraocular pressure.
I don't know about high notes per se, but a year and a half ago I had some spot welding on my retina, and the ophthalmologist told me to lay off horn playing in general for about a week to give it time to heal. Emory Waters In a message dated 2/9/2006 1:37:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone tell me if playing high notes , or any notes,can raise intra-ocular pressure? I am a diabetic with eye problems and have recently( in the last 3 months) begun to increase my range upwards. Have now started on Bach BWV 1. on the Natural horn and now (after about a week ) have got a rather large "floater" covering my whole visual field. My opthalmologist says it wouldn't make any difference. but I am not sure. Also have increased my practise time considerably. Hence my dynamic range has also increased. I understand about diaphragm support. Cheers, Ruth Redfern. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist]RE: Raised Intraocular pressure. (Ruth Redfern)
Playing the horn, especially in the high register, most definitely increases intraocular pressure and intracranial pressure. The longer you perform the "Valsalva maneuver" ( blowing against resistance created by partially closed lips and the horn itself), the greater the increase. Taking a breath will partially relieve the situation, as the veins in your head are allowed to drain into the heart and thoracic veins as the pressure drops. The phenomenon can be observed by looking at the engorged jugular veins on the sides of any horn player's neck when playing sustained high notes. The appearance of floaters can be considered a early warning for potential serious damage. Diabetics, who have a particular risk of retinal detachment, need to take it seriously. If your ophthalmologist doesn't believe it, have him look up this article: Schuman JS, Massicotte EC, Connolly S, Hertzmark E, Mukherji B, Kunen MZ: Increased intraocular pressure and visual field defects in high resistance wind instrument players. Ophthalmology 2000; 107:127-133. (Reprinted in International Trumpet Guild, March 2001, 25(3)49-55.) Regards, Bruce message: 4 date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:07:46 +1030 from: "Ruth Redfern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Raised Intraocular pressure. Can anyone tell me if playing high notes , or any notes,can raise = intra-ocular pressure? I am a diabetic with eye problems and have = recently( in the last 3 months) begun to increase my range upwards. = Have now started on Bach BWV 1. on the Natural horn and now (after about = a week ) have got a rather large "floater" covering my whole visual = field. My opthalmologist says it wouldn't make any difference. but I am = not sure. Also have increased my practise time considerably. Hence my = dynamic range has also increased. I understand about diaphragm support. = Cheers, Ruth Redfern. -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn End of Horn Digest, Vol 38, Issue 9 *** ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: John Graas - name that horn? (Graham Jarvis)
One of the Graas horns, which I once saw in a movie when he was playing with the Harry James orchestra was an Olds Red Brass horn in an odd Geyer wrap. Later, I saw the horn in the possession of Bob Marsh who was the main driver in getting the IHS Archive started at Ball State U. It has an articulated thumb valve rather than a solid bar to the change valve. A colleague at Arizona State played one when he was a student there in the Phoenix S. Orch. with me. I think they were pretty nice horns. It had a kranz on the bell. The movie, as I recall, was Sunrise Serenade. Paul Mansur On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 01:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Feb 9, 2006 1:26:55 PM US/Eastern To: horn@music.memphis.edu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: John Graas - name that horn? (Graham Jarvis) Reply-To: The Horn List Graham, I'd be very interested in any response that you get on the "other list" or offlist. I actually purchased all 6 of the Graas CDs on Lonehill a couple of weeks ago and was wondering exactly the same thing but was too lazy to post it to the list. Thanks, Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Diabetes and Intraocular Pressure
-- message: 4 date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:07:46 +1030 from: "Ruth Redfern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Raised Intraocular pressure. Can anyone tell me if playing high notes , or any notes,can raise = intra-ocular pressure? I am a diabetic with eye problems and have = recently( in the last 3 months) begun to increase my range upwards. = Have now started on Bach BWV 1. on the Natural horn and now (after about = a week ) have got a rather large "floater" covering my whole visual = field. My opthalmologist says it wouldn't make any difference. but I am = not sure. Also have increased my practise time considerably. Hence my = dynamic range has also increased. I understand about diaphragm support. = Cheers, Ruth Redfern. Ruth, I'm also a diabetic (insulin dependent), but I don't have serious eye problems. If you are experiencing eye problems, have your retina examined carefully - diabetic retinopathy examination - by an Opthalmologist for detachment and haemorrhages. It sounds like you have already, but don't risk your eyesight for a high range on the Horn. Good management of your condition will also help. I find that technique is the key to being comfortable above the staff - there are many people on this forum who can advise you on that far better than I can. I find if I'm feeling "congested" playing high notes, it's a signal that my technique is off. Normally I find that I'm not providing enough support in my lower ribcage for my diaphragm. If I can't attain the higher ranges on a particular day I leave it until the next day. Playing in the high range shouldn't affect your eyesight, but why take the risk if you're in any doubt? Good luck. Steve Williams. -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Raised Intraocular pressure.
FWIW--and, IMHO, it isn't worth much--I am not a diabetic and I have had many floaters in both eyes for as long as I can remember. I'm talking since pre-school age here. In fact, I thought everybody saw that way till my mother started to complain about "something that looked like a hair" in her vision and the opthalmologist diagnosed a floater. I didn't notice a change in the number or size of the floaters when I began playing the horn as a teenager, or lessening when I quit playing in my early 20s, nor any kind of change when I began playing again after a 26 year layoff and was actually able to develop a decent high register. YMMV. Hopefully you realize already that as a diabetic you need extremely specialized eye care. I hope you make sure that you get it, since good care can help head off big problems. (Though I'm not diabetic, my s.o. of nearly 21 years' standing is. I see the disease's effects up close and personal every day.) Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: John Graas - name that horn? (Graham Jarvis)
Graham, I'd be very interested in any response that you get on the "other list" or offlist. I actually purchased all 6 of the Graas CDs on Lonehill a couple of weeks ago and was wondering exactly the same thing but was too lazy to post it to the list. Thanks, Peter Hirsch http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/horn/ http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Anniversary
i'm afraid I've been here for rather a long time too and have much to thank Gary and this list for. (Including occasional corrections of my English) Thanks, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" _http://lawrenceyates.co.uk_ (http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/) Dulcian Wind Quintet: _http://dulcianwind.co.uk_ (http://dulcianwind.co.uk/) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Anniversary
I'll raise a glass to this sentiment! Erin Block Doctoral Student, I/O Psychology St. Louis, MO Gary Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Every year, some time in February, I try to remember to write a message to the list noting the anniversary of the existence of the list. I don't recall the exact date, but at some point in this month in 1994 the list was born with an iniital membership of about 25 email addresses. I told the university host at that time I didn't think it would ever grow beyond about 200 members. Silly me. The list has been fairly stable for several years now between 950 and 1000 member addresses. Some people have themselves subscribed with more than one address, and some of the addresses may not be valid, so the actual membership of the list is smaller. It seemed to me in 1994 that it would be interesting to have via Internet the same kind of hornist conversations so many of us have backstage about music, instruments, conductors, jokes, composers, etc. In twelve years, I generally have enjoyed and benefited from all of your input, found your questions to be thought-provoking, and appreciated your tolerance of one another. There have been times when those were not true, but those times have not been so intensive as to re-define this list. Thank you. Best wishes to horn list members--past, present, and future--as you continue the glories of our instrument and our art. Gary Greene horn list owner ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ireland1006%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Anniversary
And, of course, many, many thanks to you for all your good works over the years. Believe I've been on the list at least ten of those years and know it's been very helpful, for the most part. I'm a "senior" gal who has had to put the horns down (no, I didn't shoot them..) due to age and good old Hurricane Charley, but reading the list is still a joy. Thank you, Gary - Original Message - From: "Gary Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Anniversary > Every year, some time in February, I try to remember to write a message to > the list noting the anniversary of the existence of the list. I don't > recall the exact date, but at some point in this month in 1994 the list was > born with an iniital membership of about 25 email addresses. I told the > university host at that time I didn't think it would ever grow beyond about > 200 members. Silly me. > > The list has been fairly stable for several years now between 950 and 1000 > member addresses. Some people have themselves subscribed with more than one > address, and some of the addresses may not be valid, so the actual > membership of the list is smaller. > > It seemed to me in 1994 that it would be interesting to have via Internet > the same kind of hornist conversations so many of us have backstage about > music, instruments, conductors, jokes, composers, etc. In twelve years, I > generally have enjoyed and benefited from all of your input, found your > questions to be thought-provoking, and appreciated your tolerance of one > another. There have been times when those were not true, but those times > have not been so intensive as to re-define this list. Thank you. > > Best wishes to horn list members--past, present, and future--as you continue > the glories of our instrument and our art. > > Gary Greene > horn list owner > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amegenity%40comcast.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Anniversary
Every year, some time in February, I try to remember to write a message to the list noting the anniversary of the existence of the list. I don't recall the exact date, but at some point in this month in 1994 the list was born with an iniital membership of about 25 email addresses. I told the university host at that time I didn't think it would ever grow beyond about 200 members. Silly me. The list has been fairly stable for several years now between 950 and 1000 member addresses. Some people have themselves subscribed with more than one address, and some of the addresses may not be valid, so the actual membership of the list is smaller. It seemed to me in 1994 that it would be interesting to have via Internet the same kind of hornist conversations so many of us have backstage about music, instruments, conductors, jokes, composers, etc. In twelve years, I generally have enjoyed and benefited from all of your input, found your questions to be thought-provoking, and appreciated your tolerance of one another. There have been times when those were not true, but those times have not been so intensive as to re-define this list. Thank you. Best wishes to horn list members--past, present, and future--as you continue the glories of our instrument and our art. Gary Greene horn list owner ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mozart Coronation Mass
It is not a matter of how high one has to play in standard pieces. Mozart rarely asks for higher notes than the 12th tone on the natural horn´s available notes, which is the written g2 above staff. Mozart rarely asks for complicated phrases or tricky passages except as in Cosi fan tutte & Idomeneo Re di Crete or Mitridate Re di Ponto. This Coronation Mass is one of the most simple writings for horn ever. The horns play in the most comfortable range even for the elderly amateur player and the used notes follow a very simple patern, nothing fast, just simple accompaniment. Greetings Hans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Mazza Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:07 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Mozart Coronation Mass I am an amateur, invited to play with amateurs in a performance of the Mozart Coronation Mass, which I have never played. Performance is 8 weeks from now, but I have to reply right away. Can someone tell me, on or off list, if the part goes much above G above the staff (concert C) or stays at that altitude for a significant time? If it does, I'll have to say no. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Tomboeck
Dear Yamada-san, many thanks again for your generosity & your help while in Bangkok. I enjoyed your company very much & hope we can repeat the same for Walkuere. I also hope, it was a nice experience for you to sit in the Wagner orchestra. By the way, I have found the shop selling all these DVDs from China. It is in downtown Bangkok at DIGITAL PLANET tel.: 0--4829 mobile 0-6978-2935 address: 222 Srivorajak 1st floor, (Klongthom Air) Pomprap Bangkok. It is the larger building on the right side of the street after Payaban Klang (Klang Hospital). Entrance is from the street side just five steps up. They have nearly everything & sell at about 220 - 250 Baht. Their collection includes all the big sets with Vienna Phil, Karajan, historical performances, great pianists, great violinists, great conductors. Again many thanks for your kindness. Let´s keep contact for future "adventures in Wagner". If you have to travel to Munich, I would be delighted having you as guest here. Warmest greetings from Munich Hans ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mozart Coronation Mass
Hallo John The whole of the Coronation Mass is in C basso, and the highest note for the 1st horn is G above the staff.This means you don't have to play higher than 4th line D.The piece presents no real problems - the 2nd horn part is probably more difficult as it jumps around a lot. Greetings Adrian ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] low C
If you do it right it is as easy as on the B flat horn with 13. If the mouthpiece is wrong, no chance to get the fundamental F. But what ´s so important with this note, which occurs in literature just in Josef Suttners concerto, which is written for the extreme horn player. The average player does not need that note nor is it of any practical use. The same curious is the often placed question about tripel tongue & multiphonics, placed by amateurs who struggle to get six notes right of ten notes written in a series. People who miss a simple Oberon a1 entrance more than five times out of ten, ask such questions quite often. Students (in many countries) come to master classes prepared with Weber op.45 or other extreme pieces, but missing all the fundamentals of musical discipline (embouchure, tone quality, rhythm, attack, piano, musical understanding, intonation). How curious ? Has nothing to do with you, Daniel, off course. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Canarutto Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:48 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] low C Can anybody explain way the fundamental of the F horn is so easier on the Bb horn fingered 13 rather than on the F horn without pressing any key? After all, one has the same tube length in the two cases. Daniel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
