RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
To explain the mechanism of the Viennese valve: Have a look to the main tuning slide of your horn, right. It consists of a tube inside another tube on both shanks. Understood ? Right ! The slide is pulled, so to make the tube longer, o.k. ! See the two tubes (pistons) of the Viennese valve similar. The inside tubes (pistons) are pulled out, the the slide of the valve leaving fixed, just the mechanism (piston) sliding. The bendings on the left on the right side you can see on the tuning slide of your double horn, allow the two shanks to go parallel. On the Viennese valve, the two bends, left & right, are inside the two opposite pistons, so the opening is to the one side, where the airstream arrives, or the other side, where the airstream leaves. Summary: the Viennese valve can be seen as some kind of a trigger, but with set final positions. <> <> As some writers mentioned the different speed of the valve activation, I have to respond: Valve speed, besides proper functionality, is not any criteria for a technical or musical functionality of a horn. It is the players skill. If players still have problems reading fast music, how can they complain about the valve speed ? Their fingers & the activation of the fingers, the setting position of the fingers are the problems, not the valve speed. If all kind of valves are maintained properly, if all valve types are produced accurately, all should allow sufficient speed for ANY music. The distance to be covered during the valve activation should be equal on rotor, piston or Viennese valves now, not more than 12,5 to 13 mms. But if you need that long valve levers as I can see on many horns .. (rules of mechanics !!). If you like to see more, go to www.pizka.de/VIENNESE4.htm and related pages. There are a lot of video clips available www.pizka.de/WrHrPlay1.htm and related pages. Welcome for a visit. There is also another page with a listing of the horn studies in Vienna www.pizka.de/Vienna.htm == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:29 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves? Greg Campbell wrote: - much good explanation about vienna and piston valves snipped - > Of course the easiest way to understand is to examine one closely. Would that this were not an expensive proposition. Nothing would delight me more than to own examples of each. Thanks very much - I will read your explanation over a few times and see if I can form a mental picture of what's going on. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
Greg Campbell wrote: - much good explanation about vienna and piston valves snipped - > Of course the easiest way to understand is to examine one closely. Would that this were not an expensive proposition. Nothing would delight me more than to own examples of each. Thanks very much - I will read your explanation over a few times and see if I can form a mental picture of what's going on. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
Steve Freides wrote: What is the difference between a piston valve and a Vienna valve? Until this point, I had assumed they were the same thing. Vienna horn pistons actually slide through the tubing in which the air travels through the valve. Regular (trumpet) pistons operate perpendicular to the tubing of the instrument and simply deflect the air into different directions. So, as air approaches valve... --Regular piston-- if valve is not activated: air is deflected to one side, bypassing additional tubing. if valve is activated: air is deflected to the other side, going through valve tubing. --Vienna double piston-- if valve is not activated: air goes straight through both pistons with no disruption in the direction of the air. if valve is activated: air turns 90 degrees through the first piston and into the valve tubing; the air then moves into the second piston and turns another 90 degrees out of the valve. Of course the easiest way to understand is to examine one closely. Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
I have a Besson Eb tuba and Besson baritone with compensating valves that have enough ports to make a double, so it can be done on a very high quality instrument, but they are quite long. I also have a rotary cornet which, when used for the Carnival of Venice, by a good player, instantly demonstrates the smoothness of rotories, and lack of 'valve pop'. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:07:57 EST Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves? In a message dated 3/13/2006 12:40:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May-be, the piston valve requires more bends in the tubes than on the rotary valve double horn. I was thinking about that, too. I've never seen a piston valved double horn - only a single horn so I just wondered how the tubing would be arranged on something like that. And no, I don't mean a Schmidt wrap which has only one piston valve. Does anyone have a photograph of a double horn with all or most piston valves? -William ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell
He was certainly alive and teaching in Melbourne a few weeks ago Chris W > - Original Message - > From: "Chris Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "The Horn List" > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:06:52 -0800 (PST) > > > Actually he "came back" a few years ago and was subbing with Baltimore. I > think I recently heard that he is now back in Australia teaching. > > > Chris > > --- Simon Twigge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Perhaps it was a reference to his retirement from playing which is a loss > > really! > > > > Simon -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omar > > Kolaghassi > > Sent: 13 March 2006 18:52 > > To: Horn list > > Subject: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I was listening to my classical station a few days ago when they announced > > they would air a concerto played by Barry Tuckwell who unfortunately was > > lost to us a couple weeks or years agoI was out of the horn scene for > > about a year, so did he die in that span of a year when I wasn't following > > this? > > > > Michael Kolaghassi > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineone.net > > > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cwill%40graffiti.net > -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
Thank you, Scott. http://www.andrewpelletier.com/plate5.htm shows a Vienna valve, and perhaps my confusion arises in part from the fact that the mechanism looks very much like what I see when I take apart my son's trumpet, namely a piston moving up and down within a cylinder-shaped tube. What is the difference between a piston valve and a Vienna valve? Until this point, I had assumed they were the same thing. -S- > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of scott young > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:16 PM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves? > > > >From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> why do > modern horns > >use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I have read > >suggests that piston valves are superior > > Steve, > Modern manufacturing has made this moot, but this was the > "old school" > thoughts on the matter: > > Piston Valves are fast, but allowed for more air leakage. > Rotor valves are moderately fast, and moderately air tight. > Vienna Valves are the most air efficient type, but not nearly as fast. > There is also a response issue for each valve that has been > alluded to by another writer (Pistons pop when you press them, etc) > > Modern manufacturing has increases the efficiency of speed > and air seal to point that the differences are negligible. > > Respectfully Submitted, > Scott > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays > computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> why do modern horns use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I have read suggests that piston valves are superior Steve, Modern manufacturing has made this moot, but this was the "old school" thoughts on the matter: Piston Valves are fast, but allowed for more air leakage. Rotor valves are moderately fast, and moderately air tight. Vienna Valves are the most air efficient type, but not nearly as fast. There is also a response issue for each valve that has been alluded to by another writer (Pistons pop when you press them, etc) Modern manufacturing has increases the efficiency of speed and air seal to point that the differences are negligible. Respectfully Submitted, Scott ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell
Actually he "came back" a few years ago and was subbing with Baltimore. I think I recently heard that he is now back in Australia teaching. Chris --- Simon Twigge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps it was a reference to his retirement from playing which is a loss > really! > > Simon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omar > Kolaghassi > Sent: 13 March 2006 18:52 > To: Horn list > Subject: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell > > Hey everyone, > > I was listening to my classical station a few days ago when they announced > they would air a concerto played by Barry Tuckwell who unfortunately was > lost to us a couple weeks or years agoI was out of the horn scene for > about a year, so did he die in that span of a year when I wasn't following > this? > > Michael Kolaghassi > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineone.net > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
We talked about a double with piston valves. And I stated that I played a compensating Selmer with ascending 3rd valve for four years. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:52 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves? I have a Besson Eb tuba and Besson baritone with compensating valves that have enough ports to make a double, so it can be done on a very high quality instrument, but they are quite long. I also have a rotary cornet which, when used for the Carnival of Venice, by a good player, instantly demonstrates the smoothness of rotories, and lack of 'valve pop'. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:07:57 EST Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves? In a message dated 3/13/2006 12:40:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May-be, the piston valve requires more bends in the tubes than on the rotary valve double horn. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell
I heard that on WRR as well, I discounted it immediately because last weekend they aired the Strauss 2nd Horn Concerto played by a trombonist. I tried not to be too damned pedantic, but there are just something I can't abide. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:36 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell Duh! I don't think so! Methinks he is in Australia, which might be as good as dead. Mansur's Answer On Monday, March 13, 2006, at 01:51 PM, Omar Kolaghassi wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I was listening to my classical station a few days ago when they > announced they would air a concerto played by Barry Tuckwell who > unfortunately was lost to us a couple weeks or years agoI was out > of the horn scene for about a year, so did he die in that span of a > year when I wasn't following this? > > Michael Kolaghassi > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell
Perhaps it was a reference to his retirement from playing which is a loss really! Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omar Kolaghassi Sent: 13 March 2006 18:52 To: Horn list Subject: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell Hey everyone, I was listening to my classical station a few days ago when they announced they would air a concerto played by Barry Tuckwell who unfortunately was lost to us a couple weeks or years agoI was out of the horn scene for about a year, so did he die in that span of a year when I wasn't following this? Michael Kolaghassi ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineone.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell
Duh! I don't think so! Methinks he is in Australia, which might be as good as dead. Mansur's Answer On Monday, March 13, 2006, at 01:51 PM, Omar Kolaghassi wrote: Hey everyone, I was listening to my classical station a few days ago when they announced they would air a concerto played by Barry Tuckwell who unfortunately was lost to us a couple weeks or years agoI was out of the horn scene for about a year, so did he die in that span of a year when I wasn't following this? Michael Kolaghassi ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NHR - Monday Humor
The claim is as follows, I've trimmed this down to one vaguely music related. From my dealings with the folks in Oz a few years ago, I can believe that it is as claimed. The questions below about Australia, are from potential visitors. They were posted on an Australian Tourism Website and the answers are the actual responses by the website officials, who obviously have a sense of humour. [. . .] Q: Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Australia? ( USA) A: A-fri-ca is the big triangle shaped continent south of Europe. Aus-tra-lia is that big island in the middle of the Pacific which does not... oh forget it. Sure, the hippo racing is every tuesday night in Kings Cross. Come naked. Q: Can you send me the Vienna Boys' Choir schedule? (USA) A: Aus-tri-a is that quaint little country bordering Ger-man-y, which is...oh forget it. Sure, the Vienna Boys Choir plays every Tuesday night in Kings Cross, straight after the hippo races. Come naked. [. . .] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell
Hey everyone, I was listening to my classical station a few days ago when they announced they would air a concerto played by Barry Tuckwell who unfortunately was lost to us a couple weeks or years agoI was out of the horn scene for about a year, so did he die in that span of a year when I wasn't following this? Michael Kolaghassi ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
On Monday, March 13, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Steve Freides wrote: From this picture, it seems that the "throw" of a piston valve is fairly long compared to the relatively short distance one must depress the lever on a rotor valve - is that right? Quite correct. These have no relationship to Vienna horn double pistons; they are a breed apart and operate quite differently. Hans is correct. I still think the mass of a Vienna horn valve assembly is lighter than the piston valve assembly on a conventional single F horn with piston valves; but about equal to 3 single rotary valves. My King is pretty heavy and the Holton I played for a few months when I was in a military academy was also quite heavy. Incidentally I saw a lot of those GI Holtons in the '40s. CORdially, Paul Mansur ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
>From this picture, it seems that the "throw" of a piston valve is fairly long compared to the relatively short distance one must depress the lever on a rotor valve - is that right? -S- > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Carlberg Jones > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:54 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves? > > At 5:43 PM +0100 3/13/06, Hans.Pizka wrote: > >It is quite complicate to construct full double horns with piston > >valves, as said earlier, while compensating horns are built by the > >Selmer company. They also might have pictures on their web site. > > http://www.public.asu.edu/~jqerics/Selmer.jpg > > > -- > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > My ISP feels that some of my e-mails are not worthy of deliverance. > If you do not receive something you expect, please ask me to resend. > I apologize for my ISP's evaluation of my e-mail's worthiness. > Carlberg Jones > Guanajuato, Gto. > MEXICO > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays > computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
At 5:43 PM +0100 3/13/06, Hans.Pizka wrote: It is quite complicate to construct full double horns with piston valves, as said earlier, while compensating horns are built by the Selmer company. They also might have pictures on their web site. http://www.public.asu.edu/~jqerics/Selmer.jpg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My ISP feels that some of my e-mails are not worthy of deliverance. If you do not receive something you expect, please ask me to resend. I apologize for my ISP's evaluation of my e-mail's worthiness. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
Sorry, Steve, this is misunderstood completely and has nothing to do with a piston horn. Well, even Dr.Mansur miscalculated things. A Viennese Pumpenhorn has two pistons for every valve plus the additional long handle & the connector between the two pistons. This equals the weight of the doublehorns rotor. So the dampening material would be the same. The bell of the Viennese horn responds at a higher frquency, that´s right, but the shorter duration comes from the dampening "kranz" on the bell & the fact, that the bell flare is not made from a flat disc thorn over a mandrel, creating much tension in the material & much thinner material at the neck. Most bells of double horns, detachable or not, have spun flares from flat discs, which are soldered on the bell trunk. Viennese horns might have that nowadays also, but real Viennese horns have made all the bell section from one piece, as with my double horns. The piston horns all talked about, have nothing to do with the Viennese Pumpenhorns. It is quite complicate to construct full double horns with piston valves, as said earlier, while compensating horns are built by the Selmer company. They also might have pictures on their web site. To the sound of the Viennese horns: as they stand in F, they have a much longer tube than those Bb-horns, resulting in more co-sounding overtones thus velvetting the sound. These additional frequencies enrich the sound & make it more penetrating or more forceful, special if played in a full section. But this does not say, that they provide great over all advantage. The best today is a full double , perhaps with the better projecting smaller Viennese bore, used in the way it was constructed, as a horn in F with the additional Bb-side to easy and secure higher entrances, provide alternatives for less good intonated pitches on the one or the other side, provide additional dynamical effects. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:13 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves? Hans Pizka wrote: -snip- > Question: why should a piston valve horn sound better than a rotary > valve horn ? >From http://www.andrewpelletier.com/vienna.htm - which includes you as >one of the resources: *** What makes this instrument so incredible and different from the rotor valved instruments that most players use today is that it is indeed a natural horn, with crooks and all, with a simple valve section added. It resonates much more than the rotor horn, due to the lighter weight (Pumpenvalves are far lighter than rotors, which are machined from solid brass), and maintains the rich, vibrant sound of the natural horn. Noted horn teacher and scholar, Paul Mansur relates: "The voice of the Vienna Horn is very close to that of the natural horn. The sound is clear but with veiled warmth and full-bodied. The instrument itself is light in weight as the sliding valves and their casings have little mass. The bell and the entire assembly seem to respond with a higher frequency of shorter duration than a rotary valved instrument tapped or slapped with the hand in the same way...I perceive the essential differences as these: First, the lesser mass of the valve assembly damps the tone less than that of a double horn. Despite the smaller bore, or perhaps because of it, the tone is richer in upper partials which make for a very warm, rich sound. These partials enhance what is possibly a slightly weaker fundamental amplitude."(5) *** -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
Hans Pizka wrote: -snip- > Question: why should a piston valve horn sound better than a > rotary valve horn ? >From http://www.andrewpelletier.com/vienna.htm - which includes you as one of the resources: *** What makes this instrument so incredible and different from the rotor valved instruments that most players use today is that it is indeed a natural horn, with crooks and all, with a simple valve section added. It resonates much more than the rotor horn, due to the lighter weight (Pumpenvalves are far lighter than rotors, which are machined from solid brass), and maintains the rich, vibrant sound of the natural horn. Noted horn teacher and scholar, Paul Mansur relates: "The voice of the Vienna Horn is very close to that of the natural horn. The sound is clear but with veiled warmth and full-bodied. The instrument itself is light in weight as the sliding valves and their casings have little mass. The bell and the entire assembly seem to respond with a higher frequency of shorter duration than a rotary valved instrument tapped or slapped with the hand in the same way...I perceive the essential differences as these: First, the lesser mass of the valve assembly damps the tone less than that of a double horn. Despite the smaller bore, or perhaps because of it, the tone is richer in upper partials which make for a very warm, rich sound. These partials enhance what is possibly a slightly weaker fundamental amplitude."(5) *** -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Nice typo
This was the case for most languages until they standardized them. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:43 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Nice typo At least for the English language as spoken in the US, standardized spelling of words did not come about until after the War Between the States (1860s). If you read the original journals of officers from that period you can even see several spellings of the same word through out their work. Certainly this was true at the time of Jefferson or Jackson (the other President to whom I have seen this quotation attributed.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Smith Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:52 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Nice typo Thomas Jefferson is reported to have said he pitied the man who could only think of one way to spell a word. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airm ail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
In a message dated 3/13/2006 12:40:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May-be, the piston valve requires more bends in the tubes than on the rotary valve double horn. I was thinking about that, too. I've never seen a piston valved double horn - only a single horn so I just wondered how the tubing would be arranged on something like that. And no, I don't mean a Schmidt wrap which has only one piston valve. Does anyone have a photograph of a double horn with all or most piston valves? -William ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: The power (or lack of it) of language
In a message dated 13/03/2006 13:27:44 GMT Standard Time, Ralph writes: one day, English as I speak it will be as remote and inaccessible to future generations as the Canterbury Tales are to me Chaucer innaccessible? Try the Anglo Saxon Chronicles! (or Deor - see below) All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" (That passed over/by, so may this) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Piston valves, etc.
Not true. Your 6D had rotor's, didn't it? 8D's had rotors, too. By WWII, American companies were making rotor valves. Reynolds, King and Conn made single F's for the military as they were easy to build and most important, cheap to buy. The Conn 2D, and the early Buescher doubles used German valves. This was up until about 1930. I don't know about York and King, who made Schmi dt wraps, also. KB Pete wrote: Regarding piston valves you are probably correct as nearly all rotary valves assemblies were coming from Germany at that time.That included the early Conn doubles, which used rotary valves except for the change valve, which was a piston. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: The power (or lack of it) of language
Ralph wrote: Old guys like me lament that the younger generation has no respect for or even knowledge of my language as it was taught to me, ignoring that English used to look and sound the way Chaucer wrote it, and that one day, English as I speak it will be as remote and inaccessible to future generations as the Canterbury Tales are to me. Yeah, same is true of music, too, I'm afraid. KB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Nice typo
At least for the English language as spoken in the US, standardized spelling of words did not come about until after the War Between the States (1860s). If you read the original journals of officers from that period you can even see several spellings of the same word through out their work. Certainly this was true at the time of Jefferson or Jackson (the other President to whom I have seen this quotation attributed.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Smith Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:52 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Nice typo Thomas Jefferson is reported to have said he pitied the man who could only think of one way to spell a word. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
