[Hornlist] leadpipes on 8D

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hi-
I forgot to mention this in my post.

What have people's experiences been with putting Lawson or Patteson leadpipes 
on and 8D (or Patterson Conversion -although I have only heard of these played 
in NYC and Hollywood, correct me if I'm wrong I am trying to become less 
ignorent here)  I have herd from someone a while ago that a Lawson leadpipe 
really "improved" their 8D.  There isn't anything I want to improve about my 
horn, except the really stuffy, resistant, impossible high range as compared to 
many other horns I've tried, and the fact that I need to take a breath every 
2-3 measures.  

again I ask, is this likely faults in my technique or could it be the nature or 
large horns with a deep mouthpiece, or both?

thanks again,

Dave M.



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RE: [Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti

[Sheldon Kirshner]

Schilke, I am almost certain, made one for Herseth.

Shel

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Alan Cole wrote:
> Besson.  Bach.  Yamaha.  -AC.
>  
> I wonder if anyone makes an Eb trumpet ...

Mine was a Benge if I remember right.  I think Kanstul and Getzen also 
make/made them. 

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[Hornlist] "Large" vs. smaller bell/throat horns

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hello-

I was reminded of a question/confusion point I've had by the recent posts about 
measuring horn bells.

I currently and always have played a pretty new Conn 8D.  When I lived in NY, a 
lot of people played these, and I always marveled in the dark, rich sound of 
the large bell, Kruspe wrap horns.  
However, being a pretty small, scrawny guy, I am finding it harder and harder 
to keep up with fellow students, all who play smaller Geyer wrap horns and much 
smaller mouthpieces.  It seems that their high range, accuracy, and endurance- 
especially at fortissimo and higher ranges- is much better.  I have noticed 
that when trying other fellow student's "smaller" geyer type horns, such as a 
Ricco Kuhn, Paxman, a nice Yamaha (don't remeber what), and some others my high 
range is much more secure, I can hold long tones twice as long, and I get tired 
in loud/high passeges less.  
Is this characteristic of the "smaller" bell/throat?  I use quotes because I am 
not sure exactly what smaller means anyway.  Does this reffer just to the bell, 
or the throat and taper, or the bore; and what exactly are all of these various 
dimentions.  Pardon my lack of knowledge, I am trying to learn here.  I always 
just played my 8D, loved the tone, and before never really needed to have a 
secure high range, more endurance, and good accuracy in high school.

or, should I, as I am sure some of you will reply ot think, just suck it up and 
practice more and work more on good breath control and support???

also, I really fell in love with the new Lewis/Duerk model which I tried at the 
Midwest Horn Workshop, and I was wondering if anyone out there has bought one 
of these and what do they think.  It obviously is quite different from the 8D, 
but had a real velvet tone, beautiful slurs, real crisp articulation, centered 
notes real well, even playing and intonation through all registers, real tight 
secure high range above high C I could go on...but you get the point

thanks-
Dave M.
Lawrence University WI



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[Hornlist] I'm Back

[harveycor]

Hornfolks;

It has been 8 yrs since I last posted to you from Tokyo, Japan.  Am now back in 
CA, USA and doing various activities including hornblowing.

Hope to hear from some of my old buddies on this list, should they still be 
lurking around..feel free to send private or hornlist email.

Will talk more later to you; am still organizing things here.

best wishes to all

Rachel Harvey
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Re: [Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti

[Jerry Houston]

Alan Cole wrote:

Besson.  Bach.  Yamaha.  -AC.
 
I wonder if anyone makes an Eb trumpet ...


Mine was a Benge if I remember right.  I think Kanstul and Getzen also 
make/made them. 


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RE: [Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti

[Alan Cole]

Besson.  Bach.  Yamaha.  -AC.
 
I wonder if anyone makes an Eb trumpet ...


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RE: [Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti

[Steve Freides]

I have a performance of it on a keyed bugle/trumpet and the speed of that
performance is absolutely astounding - I don't know who the performer is but
could look it up - it's part of the music history text I use at the college
for Music Appreciation.  Only the first movement also.

I imagine this is quite the bear to play on a modern trumpet.  I wonder if
anyone makes an Eb trumpet ...

-S- 

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> Wrote it for key bugle, right?  Not modern-day Bach Strad.
> 
> -AC.
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[Hornlist] pittsburgh audition

[Buford, Scott W.]

Anybody know what happened with the pittsburgh associate prin. horn audition a 
couple weeks ago?

-Scott

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[Hornlist] Music Making and Mozart

[Eldon Matlick]

I've been reading with some amusement postings regarding opinions of
the Mozart Concerti.  First of all, to fully appreciate these works,
one cannot look at these from our modern perspective.  

To look at and analyze these works not only from a historical, but
pedagogical aspect will enlighten one to the brilliance of these works.
 Mozart knew the horn, no doubt about it.   His understanding of the
limitations afforded by the harmonic series and the knowledge of hand
stopping shows in his richness of melodic invention for the instrument.

If one has the opportunity to fully examine these works using period
performance practice, the subtle use of colors within the various key
schemes and regions become readily apparent.

While many hornists cut their teeth on Mozart, it does not become long
until novices look down their noses at these concerti, considering them
more of a trifle.  To echo the comments of other listeners, the more
musically astute a person becomes, the more one really appreciates the
artistry of composition of these concerti.  While the Rosetti concerti
offer more flash, the supreme elegance and balance of architecture make
these works singular.
Also, there is evidence that Mozart wrote as many as 9 concerti for the
instrument.  

While novices falsely believe that end-all to horn playing is
higher-faster-louder, the best way to tell a person's true musicianship
and taste is to play classical literature.  Purity of tone, evenness of
scale, subtlety of articulation, and attention to architecture of
sections, as well as movement, will all need to be addressed for a
satisfactory and musical performance.

Later and more modern works offer substantial challenges, to be sure. 
However, to look down one's nose at a body of work/composer from a
bygone era because it is deemed to be simple, uncomplicated belies the
fact that these are true gems of the period and should be looked at as
such.  One cannot make sweeping comparisons of Mozart, Strauss, Berio,
Corigliano, et. al. without looking at their place within the period in
which they were writing.  Each is unique and valid within their own
period.  However, history will eventually prove the worth of more
recent composers.  

Sincerely

Dr. Eldon Matlick,  Horn Professor, University of Oklahoma
Principal Hornist, OK City Philharmonic
500 W Boyd 
Norman, OK  73019
(405) 325-4093 off. (405) 325-7574 fax
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Re: [Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti

[Alan Cole]

Wrote it for key bugle, right?  Not modern-day Bach Strad.

-AC.
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At 04:52 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote:

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[Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti

[AdrianHitchborn]

Haydn only wrote one trumpet concerto Steve, fairly certain about that.
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RE: [Hornlist] Mozart

[Bill Gross]

To like or not like Mozart, or other composers, doesn't this quotation seem
appropriate?


De gustibus non est disputandum.

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[Hornlist] Mozart

[Jim Price]

Hans:  To reenforce your comments, many years ago a wise person (I 
cannot remember whom) said that Mozart is too simple for children but 
much too difficult for adults.



At 12:00 PM 4/10/2006, you wrote:

date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:19:39 +0200
from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
subject: Re: [Hornlist] Not Really a Mozart Fan
Message: 14

You will come back to Mozart perhaps if you are more matured to 
enjoy the greatness achieved through simplicity & cleaness. And if 
Mozart is done earnestly, it strucks by the power. But it might be 
much different for younger people, who like more the big splash & 
big bang. But it is also possible to enjoy both ways of music, as I 
do. Not just the classical, but also the sensational Wagneresque - 
Straussian & Mahleresque & more.


I also needed years to know & understand & enjoy Mozart as I do today.
Greetings from Shanghai
Hans Pizka


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Re: [Hornlist] Holton H600 - anyone familiar with it?

[billbamberg]

You can probably buy a 4D in better condition for less than $100. As 
good as the 4D is, I prefer the older Reynolds Contempora single F, 
before they went to the square valve caps. Reynolds rotors are more 
robust than the Conn, and a bearing tightening usually gets them very 
tight and fast as lightning. The horn itself is a bit smaller, but with 
beautiful tone potential. They can be had for about $50 and are a 
pleasure to work on. I've fixed up several, and they are being passed 
from student to student. The horn is small enough that most beginners 
can handle a Schilke 31B or at least a Bach 7.


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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Holton H600 - anyone familiar with it?

 Thanks very much. I do like my 4D and will just stick with it for now 
and
 maybe treat it to an overhaul once I feel my playing warrants me using 
a
 double horn. For now, I feel like I learn a lot more playing a single 
in F

even though I also own a double and a single in Bb.

-S-

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>
> I can find next to nothing about the Holton H600.
>
> Since I'm currently playing a beat up old Conn 4D, I'd like
> to know if a Holton H600 might represent an upgrade or if
> it's just another student single in F.
> 
>
> This is not an upgrade. The Holton H600 is a student line
> single F. You would be better to spend the money sending the
> 4d to Ken Pope or Osmun for an overhaul.
>
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RE: [Hornlist] Horn and SQ5

[Linda]

Kerry Turner Sonata for Horn and Strings (standard string quartet
formulation).

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A non-horn list colleague of mine asked me last night if I knew of any
pieces for horn and standard string quartet.  My offerings were very
limited, and I lack the time right now to go look things up for him.
Any of
you able to supply some repertoire off the tops of your heads over the
next
couple of days?

Many thanks in advance.

Gary Greene
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Mozart K407 hn, vln, 2vla, vc
Dauprat Op 6 hn, 2vln, vla, vc
Heiden, Bernard Quintet hn,2vln,vla,vc

Heiden, Bernard Quartet hn, vln, vla, vc
Amon Quartets Op 20 & 109 for Hn, Vln, Vla, VC
Berkeley Sextet Op.47 cl, hn, 2vln, vla, vc

That is a quick list off the top of my head.  No doubt there are many
others.

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[Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti

[Steve Freides]

My son, who plays both horn and trumpet, is preparing for some prep program
auditions to take place in about a year, and one of the suggested pieces is
Haydn trumpet concerti - I know nothing of this literature.  Is there more
than one of these?  Knowing what I know of Haydn, I imagine there must be at
least a few.  Any edition along the lines of the Mozart horn concerti, where
you get them all, along w/ piano reductions, in a single purchase?

Thanks in advance, and sorry for the off-topic posting.

-S-

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[Hornlist] Re: Holton H600 - anyone familiar with it?

[MUMFORDHornworks]

The H-600 was discontinued some time ago and they're nothing special.  The 
current model is the H-602 (hope I'm getting the numbers right) and that's 
really a pretty nice horn.  Louis Stout worked with Holton extensively to get a 
horn that would play good in all ranges from low all the way up to high C.  The 
602 is also wrapped up in a little smaller circle so that younger people can 
actually hold it.  It's aimed at the younger crowd but it's a fine playing 
horn. 
 

- Steve Mumford

> I can find next to nothing about the Holton H600.
> 
> Since I'm currently playing a beat up old Conn 4D, I'd like to know if a
> Holton H600 might represent an upgrade or if it's just another student
> single in F.
> 


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[Hornlist] Koprasch - low horn are the standards, yes?

[Steve Freides]

I was looking on the Thompson site, which mentions Koprasch for low horn in
two volumes as the standard "Koprasch" that everyone talks about.  He also
has two volumes for high horn.  
I just ordered all four volumes from this site.

Any comments about the high horn etudes?

-S-

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[Hornlist] Horn and SQ5

[John Dutton]

I've heard Mozart work well with a string quartet as accompaniment.  I think
there is also a version of the horn quintet for horn and string quartet, (as
opposed to 2 violas, violin and cello).

Chris
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quartet accompaniment as arranged/edited by Peter Landgren.


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[Hornlist] Horn and string quartet

[HornCabbage]

Mozart's D major rondo (the one on which he wrote
bizarre remarks to Leutgeb) was scored only for
horn & strings - it works fine for horn and string quartet.
I like to include a narrator to interpret Mozart's
remarks, suitable expurgated for a family audience.

Gotta go,
Cabbage
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Re: [Hornlist] Horn and SQ5

[Chris Tedesco]

I've heard Mozart work well with a string quartet as accompaniment.  I think
there is also a version of the horn quintet for horn and string quartet, (as
opposed to 2 violas, violin and cello).

Chris

--- Gary Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A non-horn list colleague of mine asked me last night if I knew of any 
> pieces for horn and standard string quartet.  My offerings were very 
> limited, and I lack the time right now to go look things up for him.  Any of 
> you able to supply some repertoire off the tops of your heads over the next 
> couple of days?
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
> 
> Gary Greene
> 
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[Hornlist] Horn and SQ5

[John Dutton]

A non-horn list colleague of mine asked me last night if I knew of any
pieces for horn and standard string quartet.  My offerings were very
limited, and I lack the time right now to go look things up for him.  Any of
you able to supply some repertoire off the tops of your heads over the next
couple of days?

Many thanks in advance.

Gary Greene
_

Mozart K407 hn, vln, 2vla, vc
Dauprat Op 6 hn, 2vln, vla, vc
Heiden, Bernard Quintet hn,2vln,vla,vc

Heiden, Bernard Quartet hn, vln, vla, vc
Amon Quartets Op 20 & 109 for Hn, Vln, Vla, VC
Berkeley Sextet Op.47 cl, hn, 2vln, vla, vc

That is a quick list off the top of my head.  No doubt there are many
others.

The Jack Attack!

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Re: [Hornlist] Horn and SQ5

[t . kerwin]

Gary,
One of my doctoral recitals included the Quintet for Horn and Strings of 
Bernard Heiden (1952). Indiana had it in  manuscript score form but I expect it 
is in print. It's a very attractive modern work, recorded by Mason Jones in 
1979 (Naxos).

Yours,
Tim Kerwin



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> A non-horn list colleague of mine asked me last night if I knew of any 
> pieces for horn and standard string quartet.  My offerings were very 
> limited, and I lack the time right now to go look things up for him.  Any of 
> you able to supply some repertoire off the tops of your heads over the next 
> couple of days?
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
> 
> Gary Greene
> 
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RE: [Hornlist] re: Handel (was Mozart)

[Susan Thompson]

I believe what Beethoven said of Handel (translated into English) was:
"Handel is the greatest composer who ever lived. I would bare my head and
kneel at his grave".

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Steve Freides wrote:

> Mozart  is arguably the greatest composer to ever have walked
> the face of this  Earth.

and Kendall Betts said:

> Well, I agree with the second sentence completely but I think
> J.S. Bach is arguably the greatest composer ever.


Isn't that what Beethoven said of Handel?

M. Kolbo


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[Hornlist] Horn and SQ5

[Gary Greene]

A non-horn list colleague of mine asked me last night if I knew of any 
pieces for horn and standard string quartet.  My offerings were very 
limited, and I lack the time right now to go look things up for him.  Any of 
you able to supply some repertoire off the tops of your heads over the next 
couple of days?


Many thanks in advance.

Gary Greene


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[Hornlist] re: Mozart

[Mark Kolbo]

Steve Freides wrote:

> Mozart  is arguably the greatest composer to ever have walked
> the face of this  Earth.

and Kendall Betts said:

> Well, I agree with the second sentence completely but I think
> J.S. Bach is arguably the greatest composer ever.


Isn't that what Beethoven said of Handel?

M. Kolbo


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RE: [Hornlist] Holton H600 - anyone familiar with it?

[Steve Freides]

Thanks very much.  I do like my 4D and will just stick with it for now and
maybe treat it to an overhaul once I feel my playing warrants me using a
double horn.  For now, I feel like I learn a lot more playing a single in F
even though I also own a double and a single in Bb.

-S- 

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> du] On Behalf Of John Dutton
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> To: Memphis Hornlist
> Subject: [Hornlist] Holton H600 - anyone familiar with it?
> 
> I can find next to nothing about the Holton H600.
> 
> Since I'm currently playing a beat up old Conn 4D, I'd like 
> to know if a Holton H600 might represent an upgrade or if 
> it's just another student single in F.
> 
> 
> This is not an upgrade.  The Holton H600 is a student line 
> single F.  You would be better to spend the money sending the 
> 4d to Ken Pope or Osmun for an overhaul.
> 
> The Jack Attack!
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[Hornlist] Holton H600 - anyone familiar with it?

[John Dutton]

I can find next to nothing about the Holton H600.

Since I'm currently playing a beat up old Conn 4D, I'd like to know if a
Holton H600 might represent an upgrade or if it's just another student
single in F.


This is not an upgrade.  The Holton H600 is a student line single F.  You
would be better to spend the money sending the 4d to Ken Pope or Osmun for
an overhaul.

The Jack Attack!

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[Hornlist] Holton H600 - anyone familiar with it?

[Steve Freides]

I can find next to nothing about the Holton H600.

Since I'm currently playing a beat up old Conn 4D, I'd like to know if a
Holton H600 might represent an upgrade or if it's just another student
single in F.

Thanks in advance.

-S-

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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mozart

[Loren Mayhew]

   I had the good fortune to be coached by Barry Tuckwell on Mozart's 4th
Horn Concerto. He told me that whenever he performed the 4th that is the
only piece he'd play during that concert because it took so much to play it.
Often he would perform more than one piece such as a Straus concerto and
something else, but not when he performed the 4th.

Loren
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>
>
> I've learned this from my teachers:
>
> The older and more advanced you get, the harder Mozart
> is to play.

Ain't that the case. I'm performing Mozart 4 with my local community
orchestra in June, having thoroughly learned it during school years and
college years. I'm finding that it is much harder now than it ever was then,
even though I consider myself a much better player than I was as a student.

As an aside, when I was a student, I never could get my head round what
Strauss 2nd Horn Concerto was all about. I learned the notes & did the
phrasing I was told by my teacher, but I think I was simply too young to
understand the piece. It's only recently, having heard quite a lot of
Strauss over the years and having recently played the Sonatina no. 2 for
winds "Happy Workshop" (another late Strauss piece) that I feel I could make
a decent stab at Strauss 2.

Regards
Jonathan West

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Re: [Hornlist] Not really a Mozart Fan

[Eric James]

--- Wendell Rider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> He [Mozart] was as pure a musician as ever lived-
just wired
> for it. Music  
> flowed from his veins. His lack of ability to exist
> financially in  
> the real world of his time, by sucking up to the
> powers that were.  
> probably cost him his life. Hacks like Salieri, who
> did sell out to  
> the aristocracy, did a lot better with money.

I can't let this go.  Antonio Salieri was no hack.  He
was a highly talented musician who exerted great
influence on the world of music in Vienna--and
consequently on the rest of Europe.  Both Schubert and
Beethoven studied under him.  As far as his selling
out goes, I wonder what exactly is meant here.
Mozart would have given his eye teeth for Salieri's
job.  Instead, he did secure a court position for the
last three years of his life, that of "Kammermusicus",
a job which required him to compose dances for the
Imperial balls.  Now, as delightful as all his sets of
dances are, I admit I can't help but wonder what
Mozart would have left us if he had been court
composer.  But I don't see how getting the number one
job requires selling out. Joseph II had taken a shine
to Salieri's operas and gave him the position. 

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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mozart

[Jonathan West]

>
>
> I've learned this from my teachers:
>
> The older and more advanced you get, the harder Mozart
> is to play.

Ain't that the case. I'm performing Mozart 4 with my local community
orchestra in June, having thoroughly learned it during school years and
college years. I'm finding that it is much harder now than it ever was then,
even though I consider myself a much better player than I was as a student.

As an aside, when I was a student, I never could get my head round what
Strauss 2nd Horn Concerto was all about. I learned the notes & did the
phrasing I was told by my teacher, but I think I was simply too young to
understand the piece. It's only recently, having heard quite a lot of
Strauss over the years and having recently played the Sonatina no. 2 for
winds "Happy Workshop" (another late Strauss piece) that I feel I could make
a decent stab at Strauss 2.

Regards
Jonathan West

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