[Hornlist] Re: Horns on planes

2006-10-11 Thread Wendell L Exline
The AFof M is requesting that members boycott Delta Airlines as they have
been the  least cooperative in the instrument carryon problem.

Pete Exline
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[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 46, Issue 12, Jazz Horn music

2006-10-11 Thread Bernabe Flores
Greetings to everyone in the list.
  I was wondering if there is any site sharing free Jazz Horn Music?
   
  Thanks in advance.


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[Hornlist] interesting CG Conn history stuff

2006-10-11 Thread Leonard & Peggy Brown

http://audiokarma.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-77802.html
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[Hornlist] Conductor's "state"

2006-10-11 Thread Larry Jellison
Bill Gross wrote:
Where is the Cabbage in all this?  I'm sure he would
be willing to explain to us just exactly what atomic
structure is needed to make a good conductor.I'm sure
it has something to do with the distribution of
electrons in the nuclear structure.
_
Bill,
I can't hold a candle to the brilliance of Dr.
Cabbage, nor even understand his electron state, but,
until he returns, here are some fundamental, basic,
rudimentary comments.  Quantum mechanics can be
applied to the subject.  First of all, subatomic
particles have spin.  They spin one way, then the
other.  They may flip from one energy state to
another.  You never know just how they are going to
spin and flip.  You can't tell where they are or where
they are going, especially the faster they go. Some of
these particles have "charm", but Dr. Cabbage needs to
explain that one! I hope this sounds familiar to you;
most of us experience these phenomena at the podium
from sitting in the horn section of an orchestra.
String theory also applies, but only for orchestras.
Regards,
Larry

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[Hornlist] TSA letter boiled down

2006-10-11 Thread John Dutton
What the TSA letter boils down to is that musical instruments MAY be carried
onto a plane IF they meet the size/weight restrictions and number of bags
restrictions of whatever airline you are flying (gate attendant or
whatever).  The section alluded to regarding stringed instruments states the
same thing-carried on stringed instruments must meet the size/weight
requirements of the airlines.  All the TSA letter really states is that
(bagpipes and saxophones aside) musical instruments are not weapons of mass
destruction but are a little on the delicate side.  Of course this is all
for domestic US flights and non-US airlines will have their own policies as
well as the country being traveled to. 

“Carrying Instruments Through Screening Checkpoints:
You may carry one (1) musical instrument in addition to 1 carry-on and 1
personal item through the screening checkpoint.  This is a TSA Screening
Policy.  Airlines may or may not allow the additional carry-on item on their
aircraft. Please check with your airline before you arrive at the airport.

Security officers must x-ray or physically screen your instrument before it
can be transported on an aircraft.
Security officers will handle musical instruments very carefully and will
allow you to be as involved as possible in any physical screening.
If security officers cannot clear the instrument through the security
checkpoint as a carry-on item, you should transport the instrument and
checked baggage instead.”

The Jack Attack!

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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 46, Issue 13

2006-10-11 Thread Steve Haflich
This is recent encouraging info from Britain:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_about/documents/page/dft_about_612280.hcsp

But the US TSA information waffles.  This page says brass should be
checked baggage, strings can be carried on, and doesn't mention other
classes of instruments at all.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1235.shtm

It further gives a general rule that a single instrument (types
unspecified) can be carried as hand baggage through TSA screening.
This TSA regulation is independent of airline policy, which may or may
not allow the same instrument in the cabin (depending on size and
safety issues).
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 46, Issue 13

2006-10-11 Thread Fred Baucom
There were two letters, as I recall - the first from the union, the second from 
the Dept of Transportation.  One or both should be available on the union 
website (I'm not a member any more, so can't check).  These letters were 
written years ago (just after 9/11 I think), and security has become more 
stringent since then, so as Bill indicates the letters might not buy you much.
 
Fred


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Michael -

As best I recall it was an agreement between the musicians union and an
one or more airlines.  The bottom line is that the Gate Agent has pretty
much final say on what you can carry on-board, that and the flight crew. 
You can have all kinds of letters from everyone but they have final say in
the issue.


> A year or two ago, a fellow hornist pointed me in the direction of a
> document detailing a musician's right to carry their instrument on an
> airplane. Does anyone know where I can find this document again or
> other similar legal document that can be presented to unreasonable
> airline employees?
>
> Michael Ozment
> University of Iowa


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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 46, Issue 13

2006-10-11 Thread bgross
Michael -

As best I recall it was an agreement between the musicians union and an
one or more airlines.  The bottom line is that the Gate Agent has pretty
much final say on what you can carry on-board, that and the flight crew. 
You can have all kinds of letters from everyone but they have final say in
the issue.


> A year or two ago, a fellow hornist pointed me in the direction of a
> document detailing a musician's right to carry their instrument on an
> airplane. Does anyone know where I can find this document again or
> other similar legal document that can be presented to unreasonable
> airline employees?
>
> Michael Ozment
> University of Iowa


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[Hornlist] Re: Apologies

2006-10-11 Thread Michael Ozment

My apologies for not editing the subject and forgetting to delete the
other quoted text in my last message.

Michael Ozment
University of Iowa
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[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 46, Issue 13

2006-10-11 Thread Michael Ozment

A year or two ago, a fellow hornist pointed me in the direction of a
document detailing a musician's right to carry their instrument on an
airplane. Does anyone know where I can find this document again or
other similar legal document that can be presented to unreasonable
airline employees?

Michael Ozment
University of Iowa




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Well, this topic hasn't been hashed over on this list for at least a day or
two, so I guess it's time to revisit once again by inviting you to follow
the link to today's NY Times online:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/nyregion/10musician.html

I can't say that I totally sympathize with one side or the other in this
one. It looks like undue force and precipitate action on the part of the
security but I have to image that Ponomarev might have taken other measures
to keep his instrument with him. Of course, I wasn't there, so I'm probably
wrong on both accounts.

Not flying anywhere for the time being and glad for that,

Peter Hirsch



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subject: [Hornlist] Break in embouchure

When I descend on a g scale from space above staff,  I feel like I  would
like to reposition my lips around the d.  Should this be done,   or do you need
to play through it with air?


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subject: RE: [Hornlist] Embouchure Dystonia

One is reminded of a statement by H (for Horseface) Allen Smith, the
definition of a gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipes but doesn't.
:)

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I only recently found out what the heck was wrong with me.  Focal dystonia.
More specifically Embouchure Dystonia.  Mine came about from trying to learn
the bag pipes.  The extreme clamping pressure needed to seal the mouthpipe
on the pipes completely obliterated my horn embouchure. I didn't have any
pain with my loss of ability to play, and still to this day ( 10 years later
) can't play worth a darn.  At the worst of it I couldn't even start a note
without lock up and/or extreme lip tremors.  The only register I could (
still can ) reliable play in was above the staff.  I was always a better
high horn player than low horn.  I've quit several times, one time selling
off everything horn related I had.  Horn, music ( 25 years of collection
worth ) the whole shabang.  Only to come crawling back to try one more time.
This time I'm seeing more promise and better things are happening.  So I'm
hopeful.  When it originally happened to me, I was devistated.  My whole
identity was
 gone.  Depression set in for many years.  I had to reinvent myself, which I
think is the only good thing to come of it.  I'm a better and more well
rounded person because of it.  But still the loss and deep desire to be able
to play well again haunt me.

I only share this, because it occured to me that I had no idea about
Embouchure Dystonia until about 2 months ago.  And I've found out that there
are people out there that can help.  University of North Texas I understand
has a professor that specializes in it.  Most of what I've read about it,
says it is the kiss of death for the professional career, and indeed that
was/is the case with me.  Though I do still hold out hope that I may one day
play professionally again.  I deeply miss that spiritual effect I got from a
playing a great symphony in a good orchestra.

-James

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subject: RE: [Hornlist] Conductors etc

Where is the Cabbage in all this?  I'm sure he would be willing to explain
to us just exactly what atomic structure is needed to make a good conductor.
I'm sure it has something to do with the distribution of electrons in the
nuclear structure.



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hans wrote:

>What makes a good conductor 
>
>
Speaking strictly as an audience member, the most reliable factor that
always seems to separate the good conductors from the not-so-good is how
they use tempo.  The good ones just seem to have the right feel for the
tempo and the general flow of the music, while the not-so-goo

RE: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-11 Thread Steve Freides
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> du] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:47 PM
> To: The Horn List
> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Recital
> 
> The only reason I knew the reference to Horn & Hardart is 
> because my wife is a New Yorker. Most on the list don't even 
> know what an automat is. Please explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_&_Hardart

and follow the links to "automat" for further info.

-S-
 
> Herb Foster
> 
> --- Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I would like to suggest the
> > 
> > Concerto for Horn and Hardart
> > 
> > by P.D.Q. Bach, although Hardart players are hard to find 
> these days, 
> > and automats even harder.
> > 
> > Steve "tongue firmly in cheek" Freides
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: 
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > du] On Behalf Of Mathew James
> > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:29 PM
> > > To: horn list
> > > Subject: [Hornlist] Recital
> > > 
> > > Hey list, looking for a little feedback.
> > > 
> > > I am doing a recital this year and have put together this 
> so far as 
> > > my rep
> > > 
> > > *From Russia with horn (or somtheign cool and witty me thinks!)*
> > > **
> > > *Four Pieces for Horn and Piano. - Gliere*
> > > **1. Romance
> > > 2. Valse Triste
> > > 3. Intermezzo
> > > 4. Nocturne
> > > 
> > > *(Need to put an adaptation here to fill either ensemble or 
> > > unaccompanied by a russian composer... ideas?)*
> > > **
> > > *-Intermission-*
> > > **
> > > *Concerto for horn and orchestra in B flat op.91 - Gliere*
> > > **
> > > *(if encore needed the usual. Long Call)*
> > > **
> > > *-End*
> > > **
> > > as you can see its is russian based... one in paticular... so any 
> > > thoughs on filling that one spot.???
> > > And feedback as well would be awesome
> > > 
> > > Mathew James
> > > 
> > > 
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[Hornlist] Re: Things Straussian

2006-10-11 Thread phirsch
Bill,

Always pleased when I can draw you out of the woodwork and get a posting
from you on the list.

Suttner was on my short list of likely suspects, not because I actually
know much of anything about him, but because I was given a copy of the horn
and piano version of his Horn Concerto by an extremely elderly (certainly
well into his 80s at the time and still playing in a community orchestra
out on Long Island) horn player, by the name of Jacob Tillinger around 25
years ago. I believe that Tillinger had studied with him and the part has
what appear to be Suttner's markings in it. After announcing my quest to
unmask Hans' "mystery man", I had intended to start by digging the music
out of my collection and perusing it for clues, but your reply has come
before I got around to it. What strikes me in particular is its cadenza
which has multiphonics that make the Weber Concertino or Ethel Smyth Double
Concerto examples look like child's play by comparison.

Secondly, I completely agree with you that the Stefan Dohr Strauss CD is in
a class by itself. Also, if I had taken the time to search my shelves for
it, I also could have avoided confusing it with Richard's Intro, them and
variations since it is also on the disc. I have a few similar collections
that originate from your side of the pond and I didn't mention or place
them for consideration them at the time due to the relative difficulty of
obtaining them. I was also hesitant to cite anything that I could not
provide a direct discographic citation for. Sadly, I have not cataloged my
personal collections (music, recordings, books), though they long ago grew
beyond my capacity for retrieval simply relying on my memory of where
everything is. This is regrettable, but it's not like I'm some sort of
librarian or archivist or something like that .

Regards,

Peter Hirsch


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Re: [Hornlist] Franz Strauss Theme and Variations plus Lachner

2006-10-11 Thread Richard V. West

Hi hornisti:

There's an additional recording of the Franz Strauss Thema und 
Variationen, Op. 13. The soloist is Martin Krebs and the CD (Melisma 
7225-2) also includes four settings of poems by Heinrich Heine, Johann 
Michael Vogl, Adalbert von Chamisso, and Anton Prokesch by the romantic 
composer Franz Lachner (1803-1890) for voice, horn, and piano. So, if 
you're interested in doing more than "Auf dem Strom" at a recital, one 
these pieces would be a good addition. Also on the disk are several more 
Franz Strauss horn pieces: Lied ohne Worte (Song Without Words), 
Schubert Fantasie, Op. 2, Les Adieux, Nocturne, Op.7, and Empfindung am 
Meere, Op. 12, as well as the Richard Strauss Alphorn. Quite an array of 
works!


Richard in Seattle
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RE: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-11 Thread Herbert Foster
The only reason I knew the reference to Horn & Hardart is because my wife is a
New Yorker. Most on the list don't even know what an automat is. Please
explain.

Herb Foster

--- Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would like to suggest the 
> 
> Concerto for Horn and Hardart 
> 
> by P.D.Q. Bach, although Hardart players are hard to find these days, and
> automats even harder.
> 
> Steve "tongue firmly in cheek" Freides
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > du] On Behalf Of Mathew James
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:29 PM
> > To: horn list
> > Subject: [Hornlist] Recital
> > 
> > Hey list, looking for a little feedback.
> > 
> > I am doing a recital this year and have put together this so 
> > far as my rep
> > 
> > *From Russia with horn (or somtheign cool and witty me thinks!)*
> > **
> > *Four Pieces for Horn and Piano. - Gliere*
> > **1. Romance
> > 2. Valse Triste
> > 3. Intermezzo
> > 4. Nocturne
> > 
> > *(Need to put an adaptation here to fill either ensemble or 
> > unaccompanied by a russian composer... ideas?)*
> > **
> > *-Intermission-*
> > **
> > *Concerto for horn and orchestra in B flat op.91 - Gliere*
> > **
> > *(if encore needed the usual. Long Call)*
> > **
> > *-End*
> > **
> > as you can see its is russian based... one in paticular... so 
> > any thoughs on filling that one spot.???
> > And feedback as well would be awesome
> > 
> > Mathew James
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Mathew James
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[Hornlist] Re: Air travel with your axe redux

2006-10-11 Thread phirsch
Hans,

I thought the same about the luggage belt. My guess is that it was just
sloppy newspaper writing and they were talking about the small conveyor
belt for the x-ray. If he had carried it with him on the previous leg of
his flight, as he claimed, the case would never have been anywhere near a
"luggage belt".

Peter


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[Hornlist] conductors

2006-10-11 Thread HornCabbage
Bil G wondered

Where is the Cabbage in all this?  I'm sure he would be willing to explain
to us just exactly what atomic structure is needed to make a good conductor.
I'm sure it has something to do with the distribution of electrons in the
nuclear structure.


I have always favored conducting free and democratic electrons.

gotta go,
cabbage
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Re: [Hornlist] Conductors etc

2006-10-11 Thread Daniel Canarutto

Linda Sherman wrote:


Speaking strictly as an audience member, the most reliable factor that
always seems to separate the good conductors from the not-so-good is how
they use tempo.  The good ones just seem to have the right feel for the
tempo and the general flow of the music, while the not-so-good ones just
don't get the tempo and flow right

I find this very hard to describe.  Maybe someone can help me out here.


Speaking as an audience member I find that several factors separate 
the good conductors from the not-so-good, but I agree that this tempo 
issue is very important. One recording which has always struck me for 
the perfection of the tempi is Der Freischutz conducted by Carlos 
Kleiber. What a delight!


Daniel
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RE: [Hornlist] HELP -programme notes - Glazunov

2006-10-11 Thread hans
Nobody had a double horn in 1890, so to skip this question.
As a very simple piece, it could be written for any average
play. So to neglect this question. Why it was written ?
Nobody knows, but composers did write their pieces to make a
living. Again to skip this question. First performance ?
This kind of pieces were first performed around the time
the composition was ready written. Publishing came later.
But all these questions have absolutely no importance.

Suggestion: write some biographical notes about Glazunow &
end with "There is a very nice little gem within his
numerous works in different fields of music, the Reverie for
horn & piano."

That´s it. All other things ? Forget about it. Nobody ready
the notes anyway.

And, these little gems never needed any special background.
They were written, they just rund out of the composers pen
down to the music paper. Some might call this "genious".




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Subject: [Hornlist] HELP -programme notes - Glazunov

Please help me if you can. I need to write programme notes
for Glazunov's Reverie in Db major for Horn and Piano,
written in 1890.
I've been trying to find out about why it was written -
whether he wrote it for a particular player - friend maybe,
or for a commission, or as a sketch for  something else. I'd
like to know about the first performance. What sort of horn
it was written for, etc., et.
I've searched for hours on the internet, but can't find
anything. I've  tried asking the Yahoo Horn List, but
haven't had any replies.
Does anyone out there know anything about the background to
this lovely piece?
Rupert
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[Hornlist] Conductors of Amateur or professional groups

2006-10-11 Thread Wendell Rider


On Oct 10, 2006, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



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In a message dated 10/10/2006 10:41:01 GMT Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

And your  point is what?
Wendell Rider


My point is that in this particular case once the conductor was  
calmed down
the performances suffered.  I've seen similar things happen with   
sportsmen.


Cheers,

Lawrence


Hi Lawrence. I agree that toning down a bully can lessen THEIR  
ability to get results. No question. But what would one expect from a  
bully? And yes, the sports world has similar problems. Fortunately,  
the world is gradually moving along- away from the little tyrants of  
the past, in whatever line of work it may be. (We used to put up with  
drunk drivers and wife beaters too.) Its about enlightenment and  
evolving as human beings. Too bad these are not big priorities in  
this culture at this time.
I have worked with all kinds of conductors. In my youth, I played in  
a youth orchestra led by the founder, a man who felt no qualms about  
insulting and swearing at high school children. Several of us even  
got into arguments with him during rehearsals. Needless to say this  
would not be tolerated today. Its abuse. He was a demanding musician  
and got really good results, but a lot of the graduates of his  
orchestra had some very mixed feelings about him at his funeral. This  
was "old school" stuff.
One of my conductors in San Jose Symphony for 20 years was also an  
infant terrible. He is a great musician and would have become one of  
the greats in the world if he could have controlled his temper. He  
lost many guest engagements because of his "interactions" with  
musicians. Our contract was full of things meant to keep him under  
control. The sad part is that he was (and is) perfectly capable of  
getting what he wants without the abuse.
I don't find any excuse for this type of behavior. I have worked with  
conductors who can get great results, and i mean intense musical  
results, without all the drama and insults. Sure, they are few and  
far between, but they are out there. Most conductors don't get any  
training in communication techniques and are given so much adulation  
and power, often without any merit, that they feel that they can do  
just about anything they want. Its really an archaic, medieval and  
autocratic system, classical music. There is lots of work to be done  
to bring it up to date.
Conductors just need to draw the musicians into their world of  
interpretation, assuming they have one. It can be done. Make the  
issue the music- make it fascinating and a team sport. Inspiring is  
much more productive and spiritually elevated than abuse. Its a sad  
commentary that many musicians feel bad enough about themselves that  
they put up with it. Nothing is quite as pathetic as musicians  
sitting around bitching about abusive conductors unless it is people  
who need to be abused to do their "best." These are two very  
different things but equally sad in their own way because of what  
they say about us as a people.
Its like parenting. The two extremes on the curve are abusive,  
violent and emotionally unavailable parents on one end and the "I  
want to be friends with my child and let him/her make their own  
decisions (even if they are 5 years old)" crowd on the other. Neither  
approach works and there are better, proven ways to operate. Yes, it  
takes some effort and some knowledge.
A good conductor, well, a  great one, can get 90% of what she wants  
with her stick and body language. Setting high standards isn't the  
problem. Knowing how to achieve the results you want, is.
Speaking of sports, hopefully the days of Woody Hayes and Bobby  
Knight are drawing to an end too. There is a better way. "A winning  
way" for all the bottom-liners out there. Just ask Bill Walsh.

Sincerely,
Wendell Rider
For information about my book, "Real World Horn Playing", the Summer  
Seminar and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: www.wendellworld.com





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[Hornlist] HELP -programme notes - Glazunov

2006-10-11 Thread RCBrowne
Please help me if you can. I need to write programme notes for Glazunov's  
Reverie in Db major for Horn and Piano, written in 1890.
I've been trying to find out about why it was written - whether he wrote it  
for a particular player - friend maybe, or for a commission, or as a sketch 
for  something else. I'd like to know about the first performance. What sort of 
horn  it was written for, etc., et.
I've searched for hours on the internet, but can't find anything. I've  tried 
asking the Yahoo Horn List, but haven't had any replies.
Does anyone out there know anything about the background to this lovely  
piece?
Rupert
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