RE: [Hornlist] re: German Kenntnis
That is correct: Das ist richtig. - Diensttag = duty day, Freitag= free day. So jeder zweite Tag = Diensttag / every second day is duty day. Did you notice the 2nd t in Diensttag, perhaps. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:16 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] re: German Kenntnis Herr Pizka schrieb: http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] language
It reads Achaeans or Achaians & Peleios. Nevertheless, it is not the violence, which attracts the reader, but the wonderful word melodies & the word rhythm. My teachers were pedantic - & so I am. Works very well with the horn, if one is pedantic. Attack, slurs, intonation, valve function, inserts into the music (cuts noted correctly), transposition === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan McCartney Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:47 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] language It goes something like this: Sing, o goddess, the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, and its destruction, which brought pains upon the myriads of Achains, and cast into Hades multitudes of mighty souls of heroes, and gave their bodies to be the feast of dogs and all kinds of birds, and the will of Zeus was accomplished. Iliad makes for very pleasant reading, if you like violence. "Menin aeide thea > Peleiadeo Achileos, oulomenen, e muri´ Achaios alge etheke, pollas > d´iphtimous psychas Aidi proiapsen eroon, autous de eloria teuche > kynessin oionoisi te pasi, Dios d´eteleieto boule, ..." ... > > roughly translates to: > > "My aide, Peleiadeo Achileos, uses Mennen (an american > aftershave) to rid himself of old algae, but his chicken and infamous > pychic, Aidi, proposes macaroons on a moving lorry or automobile with > onions in your pasta. God bless the boulibasse, ..." > > kapiche? > > > > > Alright then, > > Is somebody going to tell us thickos what it means? > > All the best, > > Lawrence (þaes ofereode, þisses swa maeg) > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbc > global.net > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. > de > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dan.g.mccartn ey%40gmail > .com > -- Dan McCartney Prof. of New Testament Westminster Theological Seminary, Philadelphia ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
A friend of mine, who is Dutch, had an interesting experience in Amsterdam while I was visiting him. Early one morning, we went out to get some orange juice. Well, the only two people in the shop spoke Danish and Spanish and the juicer was broken. He had to use English with the Danish guy who had to had to somehow tell the Spanish guy, who didn't speak English, that he needed to squeeze orange juice, which just upset him, since the juicer was broken. So it would seem that in Amsterdam, more people speak English than Dutch. I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their language, since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the Germans couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't know, but it's plausible. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:03 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages Reminds me of my experience in the Netherlands. I'm in a hotel lobby and fumbling through my Dutch/English phrasebook, when the bell boy says to me, "Sir, you need not use that. Here in Amsterdam everyone speaks English." And probably better than I. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] language
It goes something like this: Sing, o goddess, the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, and its destruction, which brought pains upon the myriads of Achains, and cast into Hades multitudes of mighty souls of heroes, and gave their bodies to be the feast of dogs and all kinds of birds, and the will of Zeus was accomplished. Iliad makes for very pleasant reading, if you like violence. "Menin aeide thea Peleiadeo Achileos, oulomenen, e muri´ Achaios alge etheke, pollas d´iphtimous psychas Aidi proiapsen eroon, autous de eloria teuche kynessin oionoisi te pasi, Dios d´eteleieto boule, ..." ... roughly translates to: "My aide, Peleiadeo Achileos, uses Mennen (an american aftershave) to rid himself of old algae, but his chicken and infamous pychic, Aidi, proposes macaroons on a moving lorry or automobile with onions in your pasta. God bless the boulibasse, ..." kapiche? Alright then, Is somebody going to tell us thickos what it means? All the best, Lawrence (þaes ofereode, þisses swa maeg) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbc global.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dan.g.mccartney%40gmail.com -- Dan McCartney Prof. of New Testament Westminster Theological Seminary, Philadelphia ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] re: German Kenntnis
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RE: [Hornlist] band instrumentation
The poor alto clarinet is just out of fashion. The current trend is to denigrate its very existence. If you want an alto clarinet, write for one and insist it be used. The instrument doesn't deserve the rap its been getting. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lamb Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:33 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] band instrumentation Anna Henry offers advice based on experience: > If you're using bass clarinets, don't use the alto. That's just my >suggestion. > I have just about decided to use a double woodwind quintet plus alto clarinet, bass clarinet, double bass and percussion. Maybe I ought to rethink the alto clarinet. It does have a nice sound though. David Lamb in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmithmusic.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] band instrumentation
Tim Costen observes: Hmm. Based on my experience (OK, so my wife plays alto clarinet very well indeed...), the alto clarinet can play a very useful role, both in bolstering the sound of the 3rd clarinets both right down at the bottom of their range and on those 'throat notes' which always sound rather weedy. I happen to know a good alto clarinetist who also happens to own a fine instrument. It sounds better than most of the basset horns I have heard. David Lamb, wavering in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] band instrumentation
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lamb Sent: 16 November 2006 20:33 To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] band instrumentation Anna Henry offers advice based on experience: > If you're using bass clarinets, don't use the alto. That's just my >suggestion. Hmm. Based on my experience (OK, so my wife plays alto clarinet very well indeed...), the alto clarinet can play a very useful role, both in bolstering the sound of the 3rd clarinets both right down at the bottom of their range and on those 'throat notes' which always sound rather weedy. And there is scope for some nice two-part work between the bass & alto clarinets. All assuming you can find an alto clarinet player with the instrument and ability to do the part justice of course. Regards, Tim Costen London, UK ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
My experience in Paris, 1965 involved trying out my best French in a wonderful old sheet music store. The guy finally said, in very careful Frenglish: "What language are you trying to speak?" And in Prague the guy behind the counter didn't know horn, french horn, waldhorn, cor, corno, or trompa; so I drew a sketch and got immediate understanding and a folder of Czech music for lesní roh. David G. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] band instrumentation
Anna Henry offers advice based on experience: If you're using bass clarinets, don't use the alto. That's just my suggestion. I have just about decided to use a double woodwind quintet plus alto clarinet, bass clarinet, double bass and percussion. Maybe I ought to rethink the alto clarinet. It does have a nice sound though. David Lamb in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
re: [Hornlist] band instrumentation
I am currently a band librarian. I agree with the previously listed instrumentation with one exception. At my school, we never use alto clarinet. The parts are not even passed out. I believe that there is a lot of doubling, so the part is rarely missed. If you're using bass clarinets, don't use the alto. That's just my suggestion. Anna I am considering arranging a work for solo horn and band -- preferably a medium size wind ensemble. I know that there are concert works out there for horn and band, but I would like to know if there is a preferred instrumentation for such pieces. Can someone refer me to a few good examples? Thanks for the help. David Lamb in Seattle - Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online and earn your degree in 1 year. Start Today ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Reminds me of my experience in the Netherlands. I'm in a hotel lobby and fumbling through my Dutch/English phrasebook, when the bell boy says to me, "Sir, you need not use that. Here in Amsterdam everyone speaks English." And probably better than I. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited My wife and I lived in The Netherlands for almost five years. Your experience sounds l bit like ours. Almost all of the youngsters we met spoke English quite well (also French and German in addition to their native Dutch and sometimes Italian or Spanish in addition). This was not as true for the older generation, IMNSHO... OTOH, my wife did quite well by acting out and drawing stick figures, when necessary... Regards... Tom An OLD horn player (76!) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
In a message dated 11/16/2006 5:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My experience in Paris was less inspiring. Simon : "Du the´ si vous plait." Waiter : "With milk and sugar?" -- Reminds me of my experience in the Netherlands. I'm in a hotel lobby and fumbling through my Dutch/English phrasebook, when the bell boy says to me, "Sir, you need not use that. Here in Amsterdam everyone speaks English." And probably better than I. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Whilst I was working in France with a french quartet two of us were booked as French locals to play 3rd and 4th horn with a touring English orchestra. It was quite a while before anyone realised that I was actually English and understood every word they spoke. (They had actually been quite charming) All the best, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Very true! I can remember a number of instances in The Netherlands where teenagers, in particular, assumed the old guy with American shoes on probably didn't understand what they were saying in Nederlands. FWIW, on the weekends I wore Dutch shoes... Regards... Tom hans wrote: Other language experience: We were in Athens (Greece) back 1968 with a chamber orchestra, free day, out to the beach, nice women, beautiful women on the beach & at the drink kiosk. So one fellow commented to his fello player upon a very nice young lady in German: "would be nice for tonight, heh ?" - To his surprice, the young lady turned around & said in perfect German: "Courage, young man, courage !" - One has to be very careful with the language, special when thinking nobody would understand it. =0 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Other language experience: We were in Athens (Greece) back 1968 with a chamber orchestra, free day, out to the beach, nice women, beautiful women on the beach & at the drink kiosk. So one fellow commented to his fello player upon a very nice young lady in German: "would be nice for tonight, heh ?" - To his surprice, the young lady turned around & said in perfect German: "Courage, young man, courage !" - One has to be very careful with the language, special when thinking nobody would understand it. =0 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:29 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages message: 9 date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:36:45 EST from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] foreign languages On 2006/11/15, at 3:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One useful thing which I know from experience does actually work in > France is, if you don't know the right word, say it in English with a > French (or > whatever) accent and there's a good chance they will understand you. > > Cheers, > Lawrence My experience in Paris was less inspiring. Simon : "Du the´ si vous plait." Waiter : "With milk and sugar?" :-( ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
message: 9 date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:36:45 EST from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] foreign languages On 2006/11/15, at 3:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One useful thing which I know from experience does actually work in France is, if you don't know the right word, say it in English with a French (or whatever) accent and there's a good chance they will understand you. Cheers, Lawrence My experience in Paris was less inspiring. Simon : "Du the´ si vous plait." Waiter : "With milk and sugar?" :-( ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] band instrumentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Costen's suggestion about the wind version of K495 also sounds promising. This may call for some experiment. I didn't copy my message to David to the list, but I was referring to Denis Wick's new arrangement of K.495 for the woodwind section of a concert band (minus saxes) plus the 2 original tutti horns and string bass: I performed this last weekend and thought the transcription worked well. Tim Costen London, UK ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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