Re: [Hornlist] Was language, now flame war
At 5:06 PM -0500 11/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will you pay travel expenses? Minimum stay one week, since I have 14 horns to work on. I'll foot the bill for the most expensive bus line here, ETN. Their busses have only 29 seats in three columns with the isle to the right of the left column, looking toward the front of the bus. Most comfortable. If yes, I'll be there at about 11.00 A.M. or P.M.? If the latter, bring a ME for the PM. My fire extinguishers are ready to go, should we start a fire with one of the required torches. I just finished a concert in Aguascalientes - Schumann Manfred Over., Strauss 4 Last, & Tschaikovsky Manfredo, which nobody seems to know if it's a ballet or a symphony. Nice playing, especially the excellent strings, which I always enjoy. C -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] A favor to ask you all
Hello Scott, Stories wouldn´t do it. It is not a matter to comfort the victim of embouchure change. It is rather a matter of discipline. I would first see, what she had done wrong with her embouchure. Second, I would recommend, not to think too much about the changes regarding muscle action, etc. Third, she should just play the horn - relaxed or as relaxed as possible, with the minimum pressure possible. Fourth, she should undergo a beginner course by herself, remembering all the beginner exercises - well, I know, it is boring, very boring - but there is no other choice: long tones, scales, intervals, some Kopprasch, etc. Fifth: most important - be patient, do not force things, let the high notes alone, concentrate on the middle range & low range. Sixth: leave alone all ambitiousness - for now. (new) Embouchure will work after some two or three weeks - not for Weber or Strauss 2 or Foerster, but it will work. If she is going hysteric, NOTHING will work, all will be ruined. Who is to be blamede ? She or her former teacher ? Such defects must be eradicated from the early stage of playing. Why was the change ? === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Hartman Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:58 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] A favor to ask you all Hi everybody, I have a former student who is attending a well known music school. She is going through an embouchure change and her life is no fun right now. She is depressed and I have cheered her up all I can. What I would like, if you would indulge me, is to collect as many stories as I can from people who have had to face tough situations and have come out well and happy. Horn related stories are best, but I'll take everything. Thank you in advance. Please send the stories directly to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] scottito ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:Flaming
.. Yikes, I just don't know what to say. . . . . . . . . . . . .an alarmingly high level. .. Thank you, C3PO! :-) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] A favor to ask you all
May I suggest that you do not pass onto her my favourite little rhyme from my college days (usually recited late at night from the top of a table in the college bar:) They said the job couldn't be done Said the confident man, "Lead me to it!" He tackled that job that couldn't be done And he couldn't do it! All the best, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] A favor to ask you all
Hi everybody, I have a former student who is attending a well known music school. She is going through an embouchure change and her life is no fun right now. She is depressed and I have cheered her up all I can. What I would like, if you would indulge me, is to collect as many stories as I can from people who have had to face tough situations and have come out well and happy. Horn related stories are best, but I'll take everything. Thank you in advance. Please send the stories directly to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] scottito ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Bill McHenry/Raleigh/IBM is on vacation returning Mon, November 27th
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NHR RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Well, a long non-productive week approaches for most of us in the US. For most folks the last two days are a holiday, Thursday - Thanksgiving and Friday a day off to start Christmas shopping and fuel the fire of holiday spending. As another old horn player to another, I'll move on with just on minor little dig, the relation between the two state universities in Texas has best been described as a sibling rivalry. Pretty good description as well. And, oh by the way, Aggies refer to the other school as texas university. It is kind of neat when your boss sticks his head around the corner at 2 PM and says, "we're not busy now why are you still here?" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Spillman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:57 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages Bill, I may be overly defensive, but I was casting no stones at A&M. I was only using them as an example to make a point that sometimes groups are stereotyped in jokes. Just out of curiosity, how do you know I claiming UT was "superior"? After all, I have some Aggie friends who describe people who attend school at UT as "tea sippers". Further I have no association or direct experience with UT. Personally, I have no knowledge of what decisions UT makes or the justification for those decisions. Please, I'm just a lowly old horn player... 8-) Regards... Tom Bill Gross wrote: >One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's >Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its borders. >He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to note >that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball arena >to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just >next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its >arena. It has shows that had to be put on. > > > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Was language, now flame war
In a message dated 17/11/2006 22:03:12 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Now, if someone will please stop by over the long weekend and help me rebuild my Bb valve, we could have a great time gossiping." Will you pay travel expenses? If yes, I'll be there at about 11.00 C'ya. Lawrence (gotta be back in Manchester for 7.30 though - got a gig - Siegfried Idyll) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Was language, now flame war
At 2:46 PM -0500 11/17/06, danatwiss wrote: Gentleman, please desist or take this off list and email each other directly. Reactions on both sides show a severe level of oversensitivity. Don't know about all that. First, I don't read threads which have become personal attacks. Then I don't read anything else the author posts. For me, personal attacks do not address any subject of interest. Now, if someone will please stop by over the long weekend and help me rebuild my Bb valve, we could have a great time gossiping. Regards, Carlberg -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: NHR Re: [Hornlist] Mondo bizarro discussion
In a message dated 17/11/2006 21:47:27 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't care what you put in the subject line. If a forum of horn players might not find it helpful, interesting, or amusing, DON'T POST IT TO THE FORUM. I find it interesting and amusing. Not sure about helpful. Mind you, I like cockfights and bear-baiting too. (I'm not sure they're helpful either.) Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Bill, I may be overly defensive, but I was casting no stones at A&M. I was only using them as an example to make a point that sometimes groups are stereotyped in jokes. Just out of curiosity, how do you know I claiming UT was "superior"? After all, I have some Aggie friends who describe people who attend school at UT as "tea sippers". Further I have no association or direct experience with UT. Personally, I have no knowledge of what decisions UT makes or the justification for those decisions. Please, I'm just a lowly old horn player... 8-) Regards... Tom Bill Gross wrote: One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its borders. He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to note that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball arena to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its arena. It has shows that had to be put on. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: NHR Re: [Hornlist] Mondo bizarro discussion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least I put NHR on the subject line. I don't care what you put in the subject line. If a forum of horn players might not find it helpful, interesting, or amusing, DON'T POST IT TO THE FORUM. Period. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] language
You are right, but I try to write the antic names in their original spelling, sorry, but I grew up with 9 years Lating & 7 years Greek. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan McCartney Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:51 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] language That'll teach me not to post even the most casual of comments on the hornlist without the most careful proof-reading. I did indeed leave out an "a" on Achaians. But Peleus is the standard English form for Peleios, at least according to the translations of West, Lattimore, Graves, Pope, Newman and Cowper. Is that enough pedantry? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Was language, now flame war
Gentleman, please desist or take this off list and email each other
directly. Reactions on both sides show a severe level of oversensitivity.
Dana Twiss
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subject: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign
languages}
What class? Are you claiming to have class? I doubt it.
> Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's
> innocent reference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant.
>
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NHR Re: [Hornlist] Mondo bizarro discussion
At least I put NHR on the subject line. > > On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> message: 1 >> date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:48:44 -0800 (PST) >> from: James Wester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages >> >> Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's >> innocent re= >> ference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant.=0A=0A=0A- >> Original Me= >> ssage =0AFrom: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>=0ATo: >> The Horn= >> List =0ASent: Friday, November 17, 2006 >> 10:50:42 A= >> M=0ASubject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages=0A=0AOoh KEWL an >> useless= >> flamewar that doesn't involve Hans.=0A=0AIt is obvious from Mr. >> Tillman's = >> signature that he is not associated with=0Athe state universtiy in >> Austin, = >> but one with religious affliations.=0A=0AEven this dumb ole Aggie >> was smart= >> enough to figure that out. Try=0Areading, it can teach you lots >> of stuff.= >> Of course as a retired member of=0Athe military I am just >> stewpid, that's= >> what Senator Cary says.=0A=0A=0A=0A> OH MY GOD. Typical over >> sensitive ag= >> gie, I've got an inferiority complex,=0A> response. I would wager >> that Mr= >> . Spillman has NO affiliation with UT at=0A> all. He was simply >> stating th= >> at aggies are the butt of many jokes in=0A> Texas, which is >> true.=0A>=0A> -= >> Original Message =0A> From: Bill Gross >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>=0A> To= >> : The Horn List =0A> Sent: Friday, November >> 17, 200= >> 6 6:42:49 AM=0A> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign >> languages=0A>=0A> One= >> can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the >> People's=0A> Repub= >> lic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its >> borders.=0A> He= >> decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to >> note=0A= >>> that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its >>> basketball aren= >> a=0A> to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior >> school j= >> ust=0A> next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such >> things wit= >> h its=0A> arena. It has shows that had to be put on.=0A>=0A> - >> Original= >> Message-=0A> From: horn-bounces >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> =0A> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf= >> Of=0A> Tom=0A> Spillman=0A> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 >> AM=0A> To= >> : The Horn List=0A> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign >> languages=0A>=0A> J= >> ohn Baumgart wrote:=0A>=0A>>I also get the idea that the Dutch are >> very pro= >> tective about their=0A> language,=0A>>since I've heard the "don't >> even both= >> er to try speaking Dutch" comment=0A>>several times. The same >> friend told = >> me that certain city names, such as=0A>>schevenegen and 's >> Gravenhage were = >> passwords during WWII because the=0A> Germans=0A>>couldn't >> pronounce them c= >> orrectly. Whether or not this is true, I don't=0A>>know, but it's >> plausibl= >> e.=0A>>=0A>>=0A> When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in >> Scheveningen = >> and we heard=0A> that story about the pronunciation many times. I >> also rem= >> ember seeing a=0A> program on Dutch TV about the language and they >> talked a= >> bout regional=0A> pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they >> traveled little= >> in the past=0A> and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific >> town where= >> a person is=0A> from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished >> something= >> when they no=0A> longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted >> to prono= >> unce=0A> "Scheveningen".=0A>=0A> This made it difficult for me >> learning the= >> language. I had many friends=0A> where I worked that attempted to >> help me= >> with the language and most came=0A> from different parts of the >> country, s= >> o I ended up with a real=0A> hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag >> certainly h= >> as its own very distinct=0A> accent and that is where we lived >> (Scheveninge= >> n is on the outskirts of=0A> 's Gravenhage, also called commonly >> called "De= >> n Haag"). Belgians also=0A> had a very distinct accent in their >> version of= >> the language which now is=0A> called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams >> (Flemis= >> h). We used to regularly=0A> listen to the "Weerman", the >> weatherman, on B= >> elgian TV since he usually=0A> had the best forecast for the low >> lands. Th= >> is, of course, didn't help=0A> my accent! Belgians are the butt of >> many Du= >> tch jokes, which seems to be=0A> a common human trait. In Texas, >> where we = >> currently live, the equivalent=0A> are "Aggies", who are students >> at Texas = >> A & M university...=0A>=0A> Regards...=0A>=0A> Tom=0A> .=0A> >> __= >> _=0A> post: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> unsu= >> bscribe or set options at=0A> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ >> options/hor= >> n/bgross%40airmail.net=0A>=0A>=0A> >> = >> ___=0A> post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Hornlist] Mondo bizarro discussion
On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 1 date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:48:44 -0800 (PST) from: James Wester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's innocent re= ference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant.=0A=0A=0A- Original Me= ssage =0AFrom: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>=0ATo: The Horn= List =0ASent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:50:42 A= M=0ASubject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages=0A=0AOoh KEWL an useless= flamewar that doesn't involve Hans.=0A=0AIt is obvious from Mr. Tillman's = signature that he is not associated with=0Athe state universtiy in Austin, = but one with religious affliations.=0A=0AEven this dumb ole Aggie was smart= enough to figure that out. Try=0Areading, it can teach you lots of stuff.= Of course as a retired member of=0Athe military I am just stewpid, that's= what Senator Cary says.=0A=0A=0A=0A> OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive ag= gie, I've got an inferiority complex,=0A> response. I would wager that Mr= . Spillman has NO affiliation with UT at=0A> all. He was simply stating th= at aggies are the butt of many jokes in=0A> Texas, which is true.=0A>=0A> -= Original Message =0A> From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>=0A> To= : The Horn List =0A> Sent: Friday, November 17, 200= 6 6:42:49 AM=0A> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages=0A>=0A> One= can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's=0A> Repub= lic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its borders.=0A> He= decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to note=0A= that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball aren= a=0A> to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school j= ust=0A> next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things wit= h its=0A> arena. It has shows that had to be put on.=0A>=0A> - Original= Message-=0A> From: horn-bounces [EMAIL PROTECTED] =0A> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf= Of=0A> Tom=0A> Spillman=0A> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM=0A> To= : The Horn List=0A> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages=0A>=0A> J= ohn Baumgart wrote:=0A>=0A>>I also get the idea that the Dutch are very pro= tective about their=0A> language,=0A>>since I've heard the "don't even both= er to try speaking Dutch" comment=0A>>several times. The same friend told = me that certain city names, such as=0A>>schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were = passwords during WWII because the=0A> Germans=0A>>couldn't pronounce them c= orrectly. Whether or not this is true, I don't=0A>>know, but it's plausibl= e.=0A>>=0A>>=0A> When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen = and we heard=0A> that story about the pronunciation many times. I also rem= ember seeing a=0A> program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked a= bout regional=0A> pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little= in the past=0A> and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where= a person is=0A> from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something= when they no=0A> longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to prono= unce=0A> "Scheveningen".=0A>=0A> This made it difficult for me learning the= language. I had many friends=0A> where I worked that attempted to help me= with the language and most came=0A> from different parts of the country, s= o I ended up with a real=0A> hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly h= as its own very distinct=0A> accent and that is where we lived (Scheveninge= n is on the outskirts of=0A> 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "De= n Haag"). Belgians also=0A> had a very distinct accent in their version of= the language which now is=0A> called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemis= h). We used to regularly=0A> listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on B= elgian TV since he usually=0A> had the best forecast for the low lands. Th= is, of course, didn't help=0A> my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Du= tch jokes, which seems to be=0A> a common human trait. In Texas, where we = currently live, the equivalent=0A> are "Aggies", who are students at Texas = A & M university...=0A>=0A> Regards...=0A>=0A> Tom=0A> .=0A> __= _=0A> post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> unsu= bscribe or set options at=0A> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/hor= n/bgross%40airmail.net=0A>=0A>=0A> = ___=0A> post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> unsubscribe or set options at= =0A> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang% 40yahoo.com= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> __= __=0A> Sponsored Link=0A>=0A> C= ompare mortgage rates for to
RE: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages}
That is far too reasonable a request to be made the Friday afternoon
before a long break.
> Please email each other and spare the list the useless flame war.
>
> -S-
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: James Wester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:23 PM
>> To: The Horn List
>> Subject: Re: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re:
>> foreign languages}
>>
>> personal attack is all you've got. I figured as much.
>>
>> - Original Message
>> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: The Horn List
>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:54:15 AM
>> Subject: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign
>> languages}
>>
>> What class? Are you claiming to have class? I doubt it.
>>
>>
>> > Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's
>> > innocent reference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant.
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message
>> > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: The Horn List
>> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:50:42 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>> >
>> > Ooh KEWL an useless flamewar that doesn't involve Hans.
>> >
>> > It is obvious from Mr. Tillman's signature that he is not
>> associated
>> > with the state universtiy in Austin, but one with religious
>> affliations.
>> >
>> > Even this dumb ole Aggie was smart enough to figure that out. Try
>> > reading, it can teach you lots of stuff. Of course as a retired
>> > member of the military I am just stewpid, that's what
>> Senator Cary says.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority
>> >> complex,
>> >> response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO
>> affiliation with UT
>> >> at
>> >> all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of
>> many jokes in
>> >> Texas, which is true.
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message
>> >> From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: The Horn List
>> >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM
>> >> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>> >>
>> >> One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from
>> the People's
>> >> Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its
>> >> borders.
>> >> He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is
>> interesting to
>> >> note that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its
>> >> basketball arena to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita.
>> The oh, so
>> >> superior school just next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered
>> >> doing such things with its arena. It has shows that had to be put
>> >> on.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf
>> >> Of Tom Spillman
>> >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM
>> >> To: The Horn List
>> >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>> >>
>> >> John Baumgart wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their
>> >> language,
>> >>>since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch"
>> >>>comment several times. The same friend told me that certain city
>> >>>names, such as schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during
>> >>>WWII because the
>> >> Germans
>> >>>couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I
>> >>>don't know, but it's plausible.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we
>> >> heard that story about the pronunciation many times. I
>> also remember
>> >> seeing a program on Dutch TV about the language and they
>> talked about
>> >> regional pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they
>> traveled little in
>> >> the past and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific
>> town where a
>> >> person is from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished
>> something
>> >> when they no longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to
>> >> pronounce "Scheveningen".
>> >>
>> >> This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many
>> >> friends where I worked that attempted to help me with the language
>> >> and most came from different parts of the country, so I
>> ended up with
>> >> a real hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has
>> its own very
>> >> distinct accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the
>> >> outskirts of 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called
>> "Den Haag").
>> >> Belgians also had a very distinct accent in their version of the
>> >> language which now is called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams
>> (Flemish).
>> >> We used to regularly listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on
>> >> Belgian TV since he usually had the best forecast for the
>> low lands.
>> >> This, of course, didn't help my accent! Belgians are the butt of
>> >> many Dutch jokes, which seems to be a common human trait.
>> In Texas,
>> >> where we currently live, the equivalent are "Aggies", who
>> are students at Texas A & M university...
>> >>
>> >> Regards...
>> >>
Re: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages}
Can't you read the subject line? It says 1)NHR and 2) Stupid Flaming.
What does flaming imply? Personal attacks.
BUT, thank you for playing.
> personal attack is all you've got. I figured as much.
>
> - Original Message
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: The Horn List
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:54:15 AM
> Subject: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages}
>
> What class? Are you claiming to have class? I doubt it.
>
>
>> Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's innocent
>> reference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message
>> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: The Horn List
>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:50:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>>
>> Ooh KEWL an useless flamewar that doesn't involve Hans.
>>
>> It is obvious from Mr. Tillman's signature that he is not associated
>> with
>> the state universtiy in Austin, but one with religious affliations.
>>
>> Even this dumb ole Aggie was smart enough to figure that out. Try
>> reading, it can teach you lots of stuff. Of course as a retired member
>> of
>> the military I am just stewpid, that's what Senator Cary says.
>>
>>
>>
>>> OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority
>>> complex,
>>> response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO affiliation with UT
>>> at
>>> all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of many jokes in
>>> Texas, which is true.
>>>
>>> - Original Message
>>> From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: The Horn List
>>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>>>
>>> One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's
>>> Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its
>>> borders.
>>> He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to
>>> note
>>> that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball
>>> arena
>>> to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school
>>> just
>>> next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with
>>> its
>>> arena. It has shows that had to be put on.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>> Tom
>>> Spillman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM
>>> To: The Horn List
>>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>>>
>>> John Baumgart wrote:
>>>
I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their
>>> language,
since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment
several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such
as
schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the
>>> Germans
couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I
don't
know, but it's plausible.
>>> When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard
>>> that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing
>>> a
>>> program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional
>>> pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past
>>> and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is
>>> from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no
>>> longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce
>>> "Scheveningen".
>>>
>>> This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many
>>> friends
>>> where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most
>>> came
>>> from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real
>>> hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct
>>> accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of
>>> 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also
>>> had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now
>>> is
>>> called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly
>>> listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually
>>> had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help
>>> my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to
>>> be
>>> a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the
>>> equivalent
>>> are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university...
>>>
>>> Regards...
>>>
>>> Tom
>>> .
>>> ___
>>> post: horn@music.memphis.edu
>>> unsubscribe or set options at
>>> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> post: horn@music.memphis.edu
>>> unsubscribe or set options at
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _
Re: [Hornlist] language
That'll teach me not to post even the most casual of comments on the hornlist without the most careful proof-reading. I did indeed leave out an "a" on Achaians. But Peleus is the standard English form for Peleios, at least according to the translations of West, Lattimore, Graves, Pope, Newman and Cowper. Is that enough pedantry? On 11/17/06, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It reads Achaeans or Achaians & Peleios. Nevertheless, it is not the violence, which attracts the reader, but the wonderful word melodies & the word rhythm. My teachers were pedantic - & so I am. Works very well with the horn, if one is pedantic. Attack, slurs, intonation, valve function, inserts into the music (cuts noted correctly), transposition === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan McCartney Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:47 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] language It goes something like this: Sing, o goddess, the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, and its destruction, which brought pains upon the myriads of Achains, and cast into Hades multitudes of mighty souls of heroes, and gave their bodies to be the feast of dogs and all kinds of birds, and the will of Zeus was accomplished. Iliad makes for very pleasant reading, if you like violence. "Menin aeide thea > Peleiadeo Achileos, oulomenen, e muri´ Achaios alge etheke, pollas > d´iphtimous psychas Aidi proiapsen eroon, autous de eloria teuche > kynessin oionoisi te pasi, Dios d´eteleieto boule, ..." ... > > roughly translates to: > > "My aide, Peleiadeo Achileos, uses Mennen (an american > aftershave) to rid himself of old algae, but his chicken and infamous > pychic, Aidi, proposes macaroons on a moving lorry or automobile with > onions in your pasta. God bless the boulibasse, ..." > > kapiche? > > > > > Alright then, > > Is somebody going to tell us thickos what it means? > > All the best, > > Lawrence (þaes ofereode, þisses swa maeg) > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbc > global.net > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. > de > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dan.g.mccartn ey%40gmail > .com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: stewpid foreign languages NHR
Hey, this flaming looks like alot of fun - count me in! If you really believe that was Senator "Cary's" intent, then maybe you are. And your mother dresses you funny, as well! :-) Fred - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:50:42 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages Ooh KEWL an useless flamewar that doesn't involve Hans. It is obvious from Mr. Tillman's signature that he is not associated with the state universtiy in Austin, but one with religious affliations. Even this dumb ole Aggie was smart enough to figure that out. Try reading, it can teach you lots of stuff. Of course as a retired member of the military I am just stewpid, that's what Senator Cary says. > OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority complex, > response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO affiliation with UT at > all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of many jokes in > Texas, which is true. > > - Original Message > From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: The Horn List > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages > > One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's > Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its borders. > He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to note > that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball arena > to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just > next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its > arena. It has shows that had to be put on. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Tom > Spillman > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages > > John Baumgart wrote: > >>I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their > language, >>since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment >>several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as >>schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the > Germans >>couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't >>know, but it's plausible. >> >> > When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard > that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing a > program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional > pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past > and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is > from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no > longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce > "Scheveningen". > > This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many friends > where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most came > from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real > hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct > accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of > 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also > had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now is > called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly > listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually > had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help > my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to be > a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the equivalent > are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university... > > Regards... > > Tom > . > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Compare mortgage rates for today. > Get up to 5 free quotes. > Www2.nextag.com > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages}
Please email each other and spare the list the useless flame war.
-S-
> -Original Message-
> From: James Wester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:23 PM
> To: The Horn List
> Subject: Re: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re:
> foreign languages}
>
> personal attack is all you've got. I figured as much.
>
> - Original Message
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: The Horn List
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:54:15 AM
> Subject: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign
> languages}
>
> What class? Are you claiming to have class? I doubt it.
>
>
> > Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's
> > innocent reference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message
> > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: The Horn List
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:50:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
> >
> > Ooh KEWL an useless flamewar that doesn't involve Hans.
> >
> > It is obvious from Mr. Tillman's signature that he is not
> associated
> > with the state universtiy in Austin, but one with religious
> affliations.
> >
> > Even this dumb ole Aggie was smart enough to figure that out. Try
> > reading, it can teach you lots of stuff. Of course as a retired
> > member of the military I am just stewpid, that's what
> Senator Cary says.
> >
> >
> >
> >> OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority
> >> complex,
> >> response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO
> affiliation with UT
> >> at
> >> all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of
> many jokes in
> >> Texas, which is true.
> >>
> >> - Original Message
> >> From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: The Horn List
> >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM
> >> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
> >>
> >> One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from
> the People's
> >> Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its
> >> borders.
> >> He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is
> interesting to
> >> note that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its
> >> basketball arena to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita.
> The oh, so
> >> superior school just next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered
> >> doing such things with its arena. It has shows that had to be put
> >> on.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf
> >> Of Tom Spillman
> >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM
> >> To: The Horn List
> >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
> >>
> >> John Baumgart wrote:
> >>
> >>>I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their
> >> language,
> >>>since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch"
> >>>comment several times. The same friend told me that certain city
> >>>names, such as schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during
> >>>WWII because the
> >> Germans
> >>>couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I
> >>>don't know, but it's plausible.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we
> >> heard that story about the pronunciation many times. I
> also remember
> >> seeing a program on Dutch TV about the language and they
> talked about
> >> regional pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they
> traveled little in
> >> the past and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific
> town where a
> >> person is from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished
> something
> >> when they no longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to
> >> pronounce "Scheveningen".
> >>
> >> This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many
> >> friends where I worked that attempted to help me with the language
> >> and most came from different parts of the country, so I
> ended up with
> >> a real hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has
> its own very
> >> distinct accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the
> >> outskirts of 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called
> "Den Haag").
> >> Belgians also had a very distinct accent in their version of the
> >> language which now is called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams
> (Flemish).
> >> We used to regularly listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on
> >> Belgian TV since he usually had the best forecast for the
> low lands.
> >> This, of course, didn't help my accent! Belgians are the butt of
> >> many Dutch jokes, which seems to be a common human trait.
> In Texas,
> >> where we currently live, the equivalent are "Aggies", who
> are students at Texas A & M university...
> >>
> >> Regards...
> >>
> >> Tom
> >> .
> >> ___
> >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu
> >> unsubscribe or set options at
> >> http://music2.
Re: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages}
personal attack is all you've got. I figured as much.
- Original Message
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: The Horn List
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:54:15 AM
Subject: NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages}
What class? Are you claiming to have class? I doubt it.
> Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's innocent
> reference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant.
>
>
> - Original Message
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: The Horn List
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:50:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>
> Ooh KEWL an useless flamewar that doesn't involve Hans.
>
> It is obvious from Mr. Tillman's signature that he is not associated with
> the state universtiy in Austin, but one with religious affliations.
>
> Even this dumb ole Aggie was smart enough to figure that out. Try
> reading, it can teach you lots of stuff. Of course as a retired member of
> the military I am just stewpid, that's what Senator Cary says.
>
>
>
>> OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority
>> complex,
>> response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO affiliation with UT
>> at
>> all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of many jokes in
>> Texas, which is true.
>>
>> - Original Message
>> From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: The Horn List
>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>>
>> One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's
>> Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its
>> borders.
>> He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to
>> note
>> that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball
>> arena
>> to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just
>> next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its
>> arena. It has shows that had to be put on.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> Tom
>> Spillman
>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM
>> To: The Horn List
>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
>>
>> John Baumgart wrote:
>>
>>>I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their
>> language,
>>>since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment
>>>several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as
>>>schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the
>> Germans
>>>couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't
>>>know, but it's plausible.
>>>
>>>
>> When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard
>> that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing a
>> program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional
>> pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past
>> and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is
>> from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no
>> longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce
>> "Scheveningen".
>>
>> This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many friends
>> where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most came
>> from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real
>> hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct
>> accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of
>> 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also
>> had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now is
>> called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly
>> listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually
>> had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help
>> my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to be
>> a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the equivalent
>> are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university...
>>
>> Regards...
>>
>> Tom
>> .
>> ___
>> post: horn@music.memphis.edu
>> unsubscribe or set options at
>> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net
>>
>>
>> ___
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>> unsubscribe or set options at
>> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sponsored Link
>>
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[Hornlist] Langidge an' Edgeacashun
Now, I am having the mostestest of enlightenments, humorings and such of late with the postings here and I particularly liked the translatings of Homer and since we got on the subject of Aggie jokes and the ensuing etceteras I am now having thinkings that I should tell you about my recent talk to the high school students here at Bad Corner Regional at the annual "Career Day" so when I got the invitings to do this I was really, really, really lost on what to talk about as I don't have the thinkings that anyone really considers valve oil manufacturing a true career (but it is a wonderful, though sometimes messy, sideline job) so I had to really put on the thinking cap and after having made the wearings of it for two-weeks-solid, it hit me like a clammed high A in the last phrase of Kopprasch No. 1 so here is what I said to the students: "Work hard! Be smart! Use your brains! Otherwise, you might get stuck in music school!" Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Cognitationings, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, "The Phantom Lane Changers" (summer only) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ (Ret.) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn, Pest Control and Home Petroleum Studies, Northern New Hampshire Technical Institute, Bad Corner, NH Author, "The Kopprasch Connection," "Kopprasch for Fun and Profit," "Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In?" "Hooked on Hornonics," "What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn?" and "The DaVinci Clam: Is Music Really the Universal Language and if so, Why Do I Have So Much Trouble Talking to People?" Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Owner-Operator, Bad Corner Petroleum Laboratory, "The Worlds Largest Valve Oil Factory" Founder and Disseminator of CLAMSAA, the Universal Holiday for Horn Players Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Amborg, Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes E-mail: yes Web site: sort of "Kopprasch are the SAT's of the horn." ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
NHR Stupid Flaming {was Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages}
What class? Are you claiming to have class? I doubt it. > Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's innocent > reference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant. > > > - Original Message > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: The Horn List > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:50:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages > > Ooh KEWL an useless flamewar that doesn't involve Hans. > > It is obvious from Mr. Tillman's signature that he is not associated with > the state universtiy in Austin, but one with religious affliations. > > Even this dumb ole Aggie was smart enough to figure that out. Try > reading, it can teach you lots of stuff. Of course as a retired member of > the military I am just stewpid, that's what Senator Cary says. > > > >> OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority >> complex, >> response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO affiliation with UT >> at >> all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of many jokes in >> Texas, which is true. >> >> - Original Message >> From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: The Horn List >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM >> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages >> >> One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's >> Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its >> borders. >> He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to >> note >> that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball >> arena >> to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just >> next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its >> arena. It has shows that had to be put on. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Tom >> Spillman >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM >> To: The Horn List >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages >> >> John Baumgart wrote: >> >>>I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their >> language, >>>since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment >>>several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as >>>schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the >> Germans >>>couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't >>>know, but it's plausible. >>> >>> >> When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard >> that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing a >> program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional >> pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past >> and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is >> from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no >> longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce >> "Scheveningen". >> >> This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many friends >> where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most came >> from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real >> hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct >> accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of >> 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also >> had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now is >> called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly >> listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually >> had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help >> my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to be >> a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the equivalent >> are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university... >> >> Regards... >> >> Tom >> . >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net >> >> >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sponsored Link >> >> Compare mortgage rates for today. >> Get up to 5 free quotes. >> Www2.nextag.com >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net >> > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Please explain to the class how your response to Mr. Spillman's innocent reference to aggie jokes was warranted or relevant. - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:50:42 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages Ooh KEWL an useless flamewar that doesn't involve Hans. It is obvious from Mr. Tillman's signature that he is not associated with the state universtiy in Austin, but one with religious affliations. Even this dumb ole Aggie was smart enough to figure that out. Try reading, it can teach you lots of stuff. Of course as a retired member of the military I am just stewpid, that's what Senator Cary says. > OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority complex, > response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO affiliation with UT at > all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of many jokes in > Texas, which is true. > > - Original Message > From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: The Horn List > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages > > One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's > Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its borders. > He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to note > that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball arena > to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just > next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its > arena. It has shows that had to be put on. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Tom > Spillman > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages > > John Baumgart wrote: > >>I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their > language, >>since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment >>several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as >>schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the > Germans >>couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't >>know, but it's plausible. >> >> > When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard > that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing a > program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional > pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past > and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is > from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no > longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce > "Scheveningen". > > This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many friends > where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most came > from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real > hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct > accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of > 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also > had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now is > called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly > listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually > had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help > my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to be > a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the equivalent > are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university... > > Regards... > > Tom > . > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Compare mortgage rates for today. > Get up to 5 free quotes. > Www2.nextag.com > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ pos
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Ooh KEWL an useless flamewar that doesn't involve Hans. It is obvious from Mr. Tillman's signature that he is not associated with the state universtiy in Austin, but one with religious affliations. Even this dumb ole Aggie was smart enough to figure that out. Try reading, it can teach you lots of stuff. Of course as a retired member of the military I am just stewpid, that's what Senator Cary says. > OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority complex, > response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO affiliation with UT at > all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of many jokes in > Texas, which is true. > > - Original Message > From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: The Horn List > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages > > One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's > Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its borders. > He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to note > that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball arena > to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just > next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its > arena. It has shows that had to be put on. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Tom > Spillman > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages > > John Baumgart wrote: > >>I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their > language, >>since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment >>several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as >>schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the > Germans >>couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't >>know, but it's plausible. >> >> > When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard > that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing a > program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional > pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past > and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is > from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no > longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce > "Scheveningen". > > This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many friends > where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most came > from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real > hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct > accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of > 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also > had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now is > called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly > listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually > had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help > my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to be > a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the equivalent > are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university... > > Regards... > > Tom > . > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Compare mortgage rates for today. > Get up to 5 free quotes. > Www2.nextag.com > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Memphis Horn Society
Please pardon the double post. Our illustrious local newspaper had agreed to put this in the announcements today and then didn't. French Horn Players of all ages and ability levels in Memphis and the Mid-South! Please join us for the inaugural meeting of the MEMPHIS HORN SOCIETY on Sunday, November 19, 2006, at the University of Memphis Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music Building at 3775 Central Ave. in Memphis, TN, 38152. Come to Music Bldg. lobby for directions to meeting room. Registration from 5:30 6PM. Meeting and horn choir playing 6-8 P.M. Organizers: Prof. Dan Phillips, U of M, Caroline Kinsey, Memphis Symphony, and Dr. Ellen Manthe, area teacher/performer. For info (901)309-7991 and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reservations not necessary but preferred if possible. Our goal is to promote the horn and assist all players students from 8-80! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Message text written by The Horn List >It was quite a while before anyone realised that I was actually English and understood every word they spoke.< Dear All In about 1972 or 3 I toured in Britain with a German chamber orchestra (from Swabisch Gmund - sorry if this spelling is not correct). It was a very good string orchestra (employed by a local radio station just as the Manchester Camarata was in those days) and they employed English wind players (insisting that some were replaced during the tour but we had better not go in to that). I lost count of the number of times that audience members collared me (the concerts were nearly all in churches and including York Minster) and asked if I spoke English. I usually replied by saying - "no mate, I's from Bradford tha' no's" Not all thought it was very funny. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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OH MY GOD. Typical over sensitive aggie, I've got an inferiority complex, response. I would wager that Mr. Spillman has NO affiliation with UT at all. He was simply stating that aggies are the butt of many jokes in Texas, which is true. - Original Message From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:42:49 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its borders. He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to note that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball arena to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its arena. It has shows that had to be put on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Spillman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages John Baumgart wrote: >I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their language, >since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment >several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as >schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the Germans >couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't >know, but it's plausible. > > When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing a program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce "Scheveningen". This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many friends where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most came from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now is called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to be a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the equivalent are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university... Regards... Tom . ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
One can not help but note that Mr. Spillman writes from the People's Republic of Austin. It also holds a state university within its borders. He decides to cast stones 90 miles to the East. It is interesting to note that the school he choose to look down upon opened up its basketball arena to host evacuees from Katrina and Rita. The oh, so superior school just next door to Mr Spillman couldn't be bothered doing such things with its arena. It has shows that had to be put on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Spillman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:42 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages John Baumgart wrote: >I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their language, >since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment >several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as >schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the Germans >couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't >know, but it's plausible. > > When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing a program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce "Scheveningen". This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many friends where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most came from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now is called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to be a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the equivalent are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university... Regards... Tom . ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
Not only the Dutch are 'protective' of the language. I've gotten that in several places. Surprisingly, never in France, and we have such an image of the French as stuck-up about their language. I guess you travel to learn the truth. Dave Weiner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages A friend of mine, who is Dutch, had an interesting experience in Amsterdam while I was visiting him. Early one morning, we went out to get some orange juice. Well, the only two people in the shop spoke Danish and Spanish and the juicer was broken. He had to use English with the Danish guy who had to had to somehow tell the Spanish guy, who didn't speak English, that he needed to squeeze orange juice, which just upset him, since the juicer was broken. So it would seem that in Amsterdam, more people speak English than Dutch. I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their language, since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the Germans couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't know, but it's plausible. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:03 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages Reminds me of my experience in the Netherlands. I'm in a hotel lobby and fumbling through my Dutch/English phrasebook, when the bell boy says to me, "Sir, you need not use that. Here in Amsterdam everyone speaks English." And probably better than I. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] language
hans wrote: My teachers were pedantic - & so I am. Works very well with the horn, if one is pedantic. Attack, slurs, intonation, valve function, inserts into the music (cuts noted correctly), transposition I also am pedantic (occupational hazard?). These are, of course, some of the very things I have found most difficult on my return to the horn after fifty years, particularly transposition! Regards... Tom -- Thomas M. Spillman, Jr. Asst. Professor (retired) Information Technology MBA Program School of Management St. Edward's University Austin, TX ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: foreign languages
John Baumgart wrote: I also get the idea that the Dutch are very protective about their language, since I've heard the "don't even bother to try speaking Dutch" comment several times. The same friend told me that certain city names, such as schevenegen and 's Gravenhage were passwords during WWII because the Germans couldn't pronounce them correctly. Whether or not this is true, I don't know, but it's plausible. When we were in the Netherlands, we lived in Scheveningen and we heard that story about the pronunciation many times. I also remember seeing a program on Dutch TV about the language and they talked about regional pronunciations in Dutch. Apparently they traveled little in the past and most Dutch claim they can tell the specific town where a person is from by their accent. I felt I had accomplished something when they no longer smiled or worse, laughed when I attempted to pronounce "Scheveningen". This made it difficult for me learning the language. I had many friends where I worked that attempted to help me with the language and most came from different parts of the country, so I ended up with a real hodgepodge of an accent. Den Haag certainly has its own very distinct accent and that is where we lived (Scheveningen is on the outskirts of 's Gravenhage, also called commonly called "Den Haag"). Belgians also had a very distinct accent in their version of the language which now is called Nederlands, instead of Vlaams (Flemish). We used to regularly listen to the "Weerman", the weatherman, on Belgian TV since he usually had the best forecast for the low lands. This, of course, didn't help my accent! Belgians are the butt of many Dutch jokes, which seems to be a common human trait. In Texas, where we currently live, the equivalent are "Aggies", who are students at Texas A & M university... Regards... Tom . ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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A dutch friend tried to teach me to speak Dutch. We only got as far as about three words before she started screaming at tme that I was pronouncing it in German (which I don't speak) and after about 15 minutes I was declared a failure and the excercise pointless. She could speak, fluently, Dutch, English, German, French, Spanish, Italian and, not quite fluently, but well enough to have a conversation, Portuguese. She was also very good looking - it's not fair is it? Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
