Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer serial numbers from the GDR and post-GDR eras
? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest eHarmoy.com Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 7:43 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Hoyer serial numbers from the GDR and post-GDR eras Are there any web sources for dating Hoyer horns? Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com Sponsored Link Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. Www.nextag.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Sioegried Idyll 2nd horn long note
Last night we played the Siegfried Idyll. My second horn didn't manage to play the extrememely long low note at the end in one take. Does anybody? One of my colleagues told me that he had seen a BBC orchestra play this piece and the note was shared between the two horns. Is this the usual way of coping with this, does one develop a set of gills, or take breaths as my second did. Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Fidelio horns
Very urgently - which is the bit in Fidelio which uses an exposed solo horn trio (quartet?) Thanks, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sioegried Idyll 2nd horn long note
I have done it, and I believe it was Aaron Paul playing second when I was conducting the Berkeley Chamber Orchestra who was also was successful. Actually, it's not that hard. It's not like you have to change notes, or something. I use self-hypnosis in that situation, and the real problems is remembering to stop. Carl Bangs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night we played the Siegfried Idyll. My second horn didn't manage to play the extrememely long low note at the end in one take. Does anybody? One of my colleagues told me that he had seen a BBC orchestra play this piece and the note was shared between the two horns. Is this the usual way of coping with this, does one develop a set of gills, or take breaths as my second did. Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bangs%40cet.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Siegfried Idyll 2nd horn long note
One more thing, It helps to have a sympathetic conductor who is listening to you, and knows what you can do. This is a good time to rant about incompetent conductors, but we already know all about that. Carl Carl Bangs wrote: I have done it, and I believe it was Aaron Paul playing second when I was conducting the Berkeley Chamber Orchestra who was also was successful. Actually, it's not that hard. It's not like you have to change notes, or something. I use self-hypnosis in that situation, and the real problems is remembering to stop. Carl Bangs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night we played the Siegfried Idyll. My second horn didn't manage to play the extrememely long low note at the end in one take. Does anybody? One of my colleagues told me that he had seen a BBC orchestra play this piece and the note was shared between the two horns. Is this the usual way of coping with this, does one develop a set of gills, or take breaths as my second did. Cheers, Lawrence ___ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Fidelio horns
Fidelio No.9 Aria Abscheulicher, wo eilst Du hin ... - if you dont know this piece if you are a mere Bb-horn player, I wish you much pleasure with this aria. It is THE audition piece for every horn player here. Regarding Siegfried Idyll: why not breaking the long held note into two pieces by breathing up-beat-wise (just before the last beat in a measure. If the second player does not splash in with the note, no problem, but who knows. If the conductor insists, that the note be held, something might go wrong with the 2nd horn, so the conductore can notice the breath. If he cannot notice it, because it is done perfect, make him responsible for every health problem inb the future, personally solely responsible, if he insists for the held note. This works. It is a musical bow, not a deeo diving competition. I know about two Scotsmen doing a diving competition to win 50.- Pounds. both still under water, but dead. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:51 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Fidelio horns Very urgently - which is the bit in Fidelio which uses an exposed solo horn trio (quartet?) Thanks, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Siegfried Idyll 2nd horn long note
At 4:06 AM -0800 11/19/06, Carl Bangs wrote: One more thing, It helps to have a sympathetic conductor who is listening to you, and knows what you can do. Why is that, Carl? That part can't be taken faster. We just played the piece and there's places to breathe, coinciding with the entry of other instruments. That Eb can't be played too softly or why bother playing it? -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Hoyer serial numbers from the GDR and post-GDR eras
It's a joke, which loses with explanation. eHarmony.com is an internet based dating service. There are multiple puns at work. Just think of it as a contribution by Cabbage. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Bjerre Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:25 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer serial numbers from the GDR and post-GDR eras ? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest eHarmoy.com Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 7:43 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Hoyer serial numbers from the GDR and post-GDR eras Are there any web sources for dating Hoyer horns? Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com Sponsored Link Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. Www.nextag.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Fidelio horns 2
The Aria no.9 is in E, - and a fingering nightmare for mere Bb-horn-users. Special attention should be kept on the sixtyfouth scale before the fermata. The Adagio goes in 4, while one should insist with the conductor, to conduct sixteenth in the measure before the fermata (the one with the scale), as did Karl Boehm, Sawallisch, Mehta, Kempe etc. If you rehearse this aria, do it together with the first bassoon, which is taking the fourth part of a quartet, do it with the conductor just minutes before the concert. We did it before every performance. It will give you more security - AND more confidence for the (often shitless scared) conductor. Continue after the fermata with slow, but not too slow four. The first half measure in the last measure before the Allegro goes in sixteenth again so to place the triplets clearly. Obey much the sfp makings the pp. The Allegro is con brio in two beats but not a rush, but brilliant, so never to use a thick or loud tone. Obey the dotted eights exactly as they are written. From 5th measure on it is a must to play everything light short. No exaggeration on the ff mark measure ten. A good forte would make it anyway. Take care for the entrance in Measure 20 ( g#, b-nat, b-nat), all in tempo. M.17 requires a strict rhythm for the syncopes. There is the piu lento marking. The entrance in the 4rth measure from there is a bit held back. And again the Tempo I. light exact in rhythm. Tempo holds back the measure before the fermata. Breath fast do the upbeat in tempo like at the beginning of the allegro. The 2nd horn has to keep much attention upon the E-major scale (it is B-natural-major for us reading from the view of the F-player). Do not rush here, and special do not rush when jumping down from the climax the measure before the last fermata. And up we go again with the scales, where all three arew involved be synchronized very well. Keep a bit of power reserved for the last three measures, if you play first horn, so not to break your neck at the high b-naturals. I forgot to tell, that the entrances of all three horns at the beginning of the aria no.9, coming all one after the other with four eights difference, can be in a sound piano, never timid. Try playing it on the F-side mostly (it is 2nd valve mostly) use the Bb-horn as a welcome helping tool. Second horn has a nice octave slure during the 12th measure of the Adagio two nice 32th scales few measures later, the one scale a chromatc one. Insist that the soprano does not behave as one of these towing goats often met. Have done Fidelio 220 times on first horn manytimes on 2nd horn, with the most famous sopranos ever under many famous conductors, about 50times under Karl Boehm on single F Pumpenhorn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:51 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Fidelio horns Very urgently - which is the bit in Fidelio which uses an exposed solo horn trio (quartet?) Thanks, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Puns at work
Bill G invoked my name in explaining It's a joke, which loses with explanation. eHarmony.com is an internet based dating service. There are multiple puns at work. Just think of it as a contribution by Cabbage. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Bjerre Hoyer serial numbers from the GDR and post-GDR eras ? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest eHarmoy.com Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 7:43 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Hoyer serial numbers from the GDR and post-GDR eras Are there any web sources for dating Hoyer horns? Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre *** Here is a list of my favorite dating services. http://www.radiocarbon.org/Info/conventional-labs.htm Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer serial numbers from the GDR and post-GDR eras
In a message dated 11/19/2006 4:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest eHarmoy.com -- My apologies. It should have been eHarmony.com. See what happens when you try to pounce on a good opportunity? I got all excited and bungled it. By the way, could eHarmony.com also be a good place to blend horns and saxes? Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Puns at work
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Re: [Hornlist] Siegfried Idyll 2nd horn long note
HI Carlberg, It can be played too slowly. At the right tempo, it can be played on one breath. Carl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:06 AM -0800 11/19/06, Carl Bangs wrote: One more thing, It helps to have a sympathetic conductor who is listening to you, and knows what you can do. Why is that, Carl? That part can't be taken faster. We just played the piece and there's places to breathe, coinciding with the entry of other instruments. That Eb can't be played too softly or why bother playing it? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn-Saxophone composition principles
Richard Smith wrote: In writing for a concert band, the problem is that, wanted or not, you have to write for saxes if you want your music played. It is said the Bach's The Art of Fugue was not written to be actually played, but more like a theoretical exercise. Even so, I can't wait listening to it played by a quartet of saxophones. Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn-Saxophone composition principles
I, on the other hand, find that I have infinite patients when it comes to waiting for such an opportunity. -Original Message- [. . .] In writing for a concert band, the problem is that, wanted or not, you have to write for saxes if you want your music played. It is said the Bach's The Art of Fugue was not written to be actually played, but more like a theoretical exercise. Even so, I can't wait listening to it played by a quartet of saxophones. Daniel Canarutto [. . .] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: A favor to ask you all
Hi Wendell, I feal very happy about that I was given the chance to encourage someone with my story . It took me quite a long time to get convinced that with my former I would find myself , within a short period in the end of the road as a horn player.At that point i was 28 , warried , married and jobless. Atthe time i made the dcision my ambsure was far up the uppere lip.Ihave started my change, and soon enough I had to work in the most owfull jobs ever-like being a kitchen worker in a resturant and such.Shortly after I have accomplished the changeI was accepted to a principal horn position in a chaqmber orchestra and some six years after words I found myself as a first horn in the Israel Camerata - playing quite often as a soloist and a recitalist , and very active almost inevery field of musical life in Israel - from classical to rock music . i do remember moments of despair but I know how to cherish them now - it takes a lot of pressure to turn coal into a diamond. yours, Alon Reuven ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fidelio horns
Thanks Hans, I play very little opera - the last time I played Fidelio was a concert version about twenty years ago and I can't remember a thing about it except that the conductor lost his score between the rehearsal and performance. It turned out that it wasn't that aria we were playing tonight so we didn't need a third horn (the fixer, working on the instructions of the conductor, didn't know how many horns we needed) But yes, I am only a Bb player anyway! :-) (well, most of the time anyway) Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn-Saxophone composition principles
Several years ago (i.e., a few decades ago),I did hear a record of the Los Angeles Saxophone Quartet playing the Art of the Fugue. They were very good. --Susan Thompson (who usually does not have nice things to say about saxophones) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Canarutto Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:32 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn-Saxophone composition principles Richard Smith wrote: In writing for a concert band, the problem is that, wanted or not, you have to write for saxes if you want your music played. It is said the Bach's The Art of Fugue was not written to be actually played, but more like a theoretical exercise. Even so, I can't wait listening to it played by a quartet of saxophones. Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/didoslament%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
