[Hornlist] RE: Opinions on methods

2007-09-27 Thread Alon reuven
I am more familiar with the singer book .
I believe that the things in the core are a few , and this book gives the
out most respect to this core : sound , articulation , beginning of notes ,
range etc. A very good choice for players in every level .
Take care ,
Alon
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Re: [Hornlist] B-flat or F fingerings in the low register

2007-09-27 Thread dalleyhn
I was taught to take advantage of the alternate fingering possibilities of both 
the F and B flat sides of the standard double horn. And depending how you tune 
the 3rd  valve slides of both horns can have a lot of influence on which 
fingering to use. I personally tune the third valve slide of the B flat side of 
the horn flat by pulling the slide a little more than 1/4 inch below correct 
intonation. Then low D (third line in modern style bass clef) and low C# 
(second space in modern style bass clef) are exactly in tune (B flat 3 and B 
flat 2 and 3). Ragards.
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[Hornlist] Nearer My God To Thee

2007-09-27 Thread Heather Pettit-Johnson
Some time ago a lister mentioned a large horn ensemble arrangement of Nearer My 
God To Thee. I was wondering if anyone remembers this or knows anything about 
this arrangement. I would very much appreciate hearing privately from anyone 
with information.
 
Thanks,
Heather Pettit-Johnson
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RE: [Hornlist] B-flat or F fingerings in the low register

2007-09-27 Thread hans
Incompetent teachers teach innocent childs in a completely
wrong way. 

I had a young player here from Korea & we talked about
broadening the horizon of teachers regarding horn
literature. I told him, that it was expected during my
studies 50 years ago, that we students prepared additional
pieces & played them for our teachers when we had finished
playing the pieces we had to prepare for our lesson. Our
teachers were most happy about our extra activity & extra
study and continued the lesson by working the new piece
through. He responded that in his country many teachers
would not care about history of the instrument & regarding
literature just go the old & simple path (Beethoven op.17,
Mozart K.447, K495, K412, Strauss op.11) and that for
several weeks or even months per piece. The teachers would
not accept the additional work or would become angry about
it. Unbelieveable ! These teachers (in all countries) go
after the study plan as if it were written for eternity
without amendment. This studying a piece or etude for a
longer period would make it quite impossible for another
teacher to change anything later with the same student. All
is "drilled" in, making changes impossible. I experienced
this very often during my masterclasses. Students said yes,
yes, a good idea, tried it unsuccessfully, tried it again
but successfully. When I asked them after five minutes, to
go back to this peculiar phrase, they did it the old way.
Hm ! ArenĀ“t there too many out there, who should not
teach, but give lessons still 

Thank you Jonathan for confirming my ideas or experiences.

Greetings

Hans

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> But we teach them in a
> wrong way just fingerings instead make them able to
understand the 
> harmonic series & the relations of the tones each other.

I remember at about age 10 working out the basis of the Bb
side fingerings by myself and carefully drawing a chart that
showed how the Bb fingerings were off from the F fingerings
by a 4th. I took it to show my teacher, who didn't seem to
be impressed, and as far as I can remember thought I had
misunderstood what the Bb side was about and how the
fingerings worked. He had simply been teaching me fingerings
out of the book and seemed uninterested in how the harmonic
sequence controlled things.

I'm pretty sure I did get the chart right, because I don't
remember my understanding of the harmonic sequence and of
fingerings changing radically since. It has been refined a
bit by a better understanding of which harmonics are a bit
out of tune relative to equal temperament, but the basic
understanding has not changed.

Regards
Jonathan West
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Re: [Hornlist] B-flat or F fingerings in the low register

2007-09-27 Thread Jonathan West
> But we teach them in a
> wrong way just fingerings instead make them able to
> understand the harmonic series & the relations of the tones
> each other.

I remember at about age 10 working out the basis of the Bb side
fingerings by myself and carefully drawing a chart that showed how the
Bb fingerings were off from the F fingerings by a 4th. I took it to
show my teacher, who didn't seem to be impressed, and as far as I can
remember thought I had misunderstood what the Bb side was about and
how the fingerings worked. He had simply been teaching me fingerings
out of the book and seemed uninterested in how the harmonic sequence
controlled things.

I'm pretty sure I did get the chart right, because I don't remember my
understanding of the harmonic sequence and of fingerings changing
radically since. It has been refined a bit by a better understanding
of which harmonics are a bit out of tune relative to equal
temperament, but the basic understanding has not changed.

Regards
Jonathan West
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