RE: [Hornlist] Falling Apart
All these things happen to me just once (mouthpiece thing at 1983 Charleston/ILL. workshop - but had a spare as allways, pants-thing during a recital - solved by not turning the back to the audience except the cell phone thing because never bring cell phone to stage or pit or rehearsal hall). But slide falling out of the horn ? Well, I blew the third valve off my ascending third SELMER ! But regularly, there is not much air push in the regular third valve, but a lot of sloppy greasing or over greasing. Moral: do not over grease your third valve do care it will not get lose care that it is not slided out until edge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Goldberg Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:23 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Falling Apart Now suppose that at the same moment your mouthpiece falls out... and your cell phone rings... and the seat of your pants splits... Pleasant dreams tonight, all! David Goldberg James Maddrey wrote: Now, suppose that two valves acted up. You would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. Wouldn't it it solve the problem if you knew how to play the natural horn? youngjim80 On May 14, 2008, at 10:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim, I would venture to say that something similar has happened ALL of us. You play a lot in front of people and something is bound to go horribly wrong at some point in your career. Of course this is a great reason to know all your alternate fingerings dead cold. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: Tim Kecherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hornlist horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:21 pm Subject: [Hornlist] Falling Apart Hello, All. I have an interesting (and somewhat embarrassing) story to tell. I am a senior at the local high school, and tonight was my final concert. One of the songs we played was an adaptation of the Lord of the Rings Symphony by Johan De Meij. At the beginning of the piece (the Gandalf section) my horn decided it didn't like me. As I was playing a solo, my third valve slide on the F horn slipped out and fell with a clatter to the stage floor. I kept playing, though my mind was racing. I couldn't get the slide again until the end of that section. I was mortified. Has this sort of thing ever happened to one of you? -- Tim ___ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Falling Apart
I use standard slide grease on all my slides except the F slide which is rather looser than the others - on that I use Paxman bees-wax. I bought the little pot of wax years ago so I'm not sure if they still sell it, but for particularly loose slides it is better than grease (and of course you could use it on all your slides if you like) As for bits falling off the instrument in concert, I once played in a pit for The Bartered Bride. There are few moments of fear in this opera and we joked with the now over-bored principal horn as one easy solo approached. He feigned terror and began to tremble, shaking his horn. At exactly one bar before the solo as his shaking grew more violent, his mouthpiece fell out. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Falling Apart
How would he have played Tchaikovsky 5th solo ? Perhaps with a vibrato so large that one could throw a large Mexican sombrero through ... And all slides the mechanics of his or her horn jumping off the horn .. Want to see that real .. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:54 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Falling Apart I use standard slide grease on all my slides except the F slide which is rather looser than the others - on that I use Paxman bees-wax. I bought the little pot of wax years ago so I'm not sure if they still sell it, but for particularly loose slides it is better than grease (and of course you could use it on all your slides if you like) As for bits falling off the instrument in concert, I once played in a pit for The Bartered Bride. There are few moments of fear in this opera and we joked with the now over-bored principal horn as one easy solo approached. He feigned terror and began to tremble, shaking his horn. At exactly one bar before the solo as his shaking grew more violent, his mouthpiece fell out. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] song (was:Falling Apart)
Steve Haflich wrote: probably the most embarrassing thing you've done recently is your use of the word song in the message above, posted to many hundreds of musicians... Steve, I recently played in a song named Pastoral by Bee... something. Only it was not one song, but five. I can't understand why classical composers must make it all so complicated. Daniel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Brass Quintet - played in my first two performances, question and observations
I played 2 pieces as part of a larger program in a brass quintet a week ago, and earlier today played in a quintet for the second time, this time for the graduation ceremonies of the Bergen (County) Community College where I teach part-time. In no particular order: A lot of brass quintet writing seems not to have many rests. I think, if I were writing for brass quintet, I might include more rests than what I've been playing. For today, we used a collection of pieces put out by the Canadian Brass. I think it's called Ceremonial Music or something along those lines. Again, nice music, and again, not much in the way of rests. I know those guys talk between their pieces at their concerts, but we didn't have that luxury because we were playing while 600+ students marched in. (The venue was the Izod Center, formerly the Continental Arena, at the Meadowlands in New Jersey. For all you sports fans, it was cool to see the locker room doors and imagine some of the pro athletes my kids marvel at walking by. For all you horn geeks, my instrument is a Yamaha 666, and my mouthpiece comes from Herr Pizka.) I bought an arrangement of Pomp and Circumstance, found the French Horn part too high, and rearranged it myself in Sibelius - we used my re-arrangement today. While it was better, and while it's easier to play an easy part with almost no rests rather than a hard part with almost no rests, it still was a lot of playing. Is there a theme to my posting? Yes, I want more rests. I realize I am a rank amateur, but I wonder if there might be a middle ground between the amount of playing and rest found in most orchestral literature and that written for brass quintet. No rehearsal - pro's or close enough to it on all parts that our sound check an hour before it started was our rehearsal. We started all the pieces, played some of them through, but still read a good deal during the ceremonies. Brass quintet playing is _great_, and my son, who sat second trumpet, really liked it as well. His first comment when it was over was, We have to do this again. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Falling Apart
My entire thumb linkage popped loose on me at one concert. Definitely alternate fingering time! Unfortunately it happened on a Saturday evening and I had another concert Sunday afternoon. Fortunately the bass clarinet player in the band also had a repair shop and was able to solder it back in place before the next concert. I bought myself a backup horn very soon thereafter. Now I have 7 horns. (Nobody told me that horns are related to rabbits!) Kathy Anaheim, CA ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] song (was:Falling Apart)
Hello Daniel. I join you in this matter. The last song (there was real singing !!!) I played in my professional life was Richard Wagners Parsifal, a song with three sections a total duration length of five hours. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Canarutto Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] song (was:Falling Apart) Steve Haflich wrote: probably the most embarrassing thing you've done recently is your use of the word song in the message above, posted to many hundreds of musicians... Steve, I recently played in a song named Pastoral by Bee... something. Only it was not one song, but five. I can't understand why classical composers must make it all so complicated. Daniel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Over practicing.........
Valerie, why are you so crazy about the high horn. Professional used to practise these things one octave lower instead. !!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:44 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Over practicing. Yesterday morning my lips were s perfect, my tone s gorgeous, I just couldn't put my horn down for long. I must have totaled more than 4 hours intense woodshedding high horn work BEFORE I even went to orchestra rehearsal. Well... needless to say, I seriously clammed all over the place at rehearsal. When will I learn to be more moderate less compulsive? (Stern scolding lectures wellcomed) Valerie _ Click for free info on college degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieX4q2kd7n U18RakktLaCZfF0CXy2Lw2JkWLpGO2K1KvVLDW/?count=1234567890 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Falling Apart
Some instant glue, a strong one, in the pocket of the horn case helps in such situations e.g. Loctite ===0 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Lowe Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:13 PM To: hornlist Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Falling Apart My entire thumb linkage popped loose on me at one concert. Definitely alternate fingering time! Unfortunately it happened on a Saturday evening and I had another concert Sunday afternoon. Fortunately the bass clarinet player in the band also had a repair shop and was able to solder it back in place before the next concert. I bought myself a backup horn very soon thereafter. Now I have 7 horns. (Nobody told me that horns are related to rabbits!) Kathy Anaheim, CA ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Falling Apart - mute fell
Once in a Vienna Phil Concert under Leonard Bernstein, Wolfgang Tomboeck´s mute fell off the music stand, but he tried to catch it by his foot, but he was too fast strong, so he kicked it right through the strings passing Bernstein´s head, but the mute landed in the first row, where a listener caught it. So no noise, but a VERY surprised Bernstein. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:10 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Falling Apart Tim, I was playing extra with the Boston Symphony a few years back. We were playing Mahler's 1st Symphony, and were standing playing the final movement LOUDLY. I blew my Bb slide over my right shoulder landing on the floor amongst the percussion section. Luckily the noise on stage covered everything! Sincerely Ken Pope I was mortified. Has this sort of thing ever happened to one of you? -- Tim Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow http://www.poperepair.com US Dealer: Kuhn Horns Bonna Cases Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Falling Apart
Tim, Don't despair! Things happen... Many years ago when I was principal horn in the Air Force band, we were tasked to perform at a very high-level soirée at an embassy garden party. (I won't include names to protect the innocent!) As the military attaché approached the bandstand, the band director turned to us and gave us the signal for the national anthem. In his ego-driven attempt to appear even more pompous than he already was (he had a large case of small man syndrome) he had completely forgotten that we had two versions in the book; one which began with a huge fanfare, the other, just the usual anthem. The lead trumpet called out in a loud stage whisper, Which one??? The band director (who was a major) had turned away from the band at this point, and was busily chatting convivially with the attaché, displaying the sycophantic behaviour which he was famous for, and didn't hear the urgent request. He then turned around, gave us the steady up and cued us in. Imagine two trains approaching on the same track at 60 m.p.h... Half the band played the version with the fanfare, while the other half of the band (reeds/saxes) played the regular version. In a fit of rage, the major cut us off abruptly, and hissed Can't you people follow??? and then, incredibly, proceeded to cue us in AGAIN, without answering the lead trumpet player's desperate plea WHICH ONE??? Imagine two more trains approaching... this time at 120 m.p.h. You guessed it-- the half of the band that had played the fanfare version switched to the standard version, and the other half of the band that had played the standard version, switched over to the fanfare version. The cacophony was incredible-- complete with tympani rolls and cymbal crashes! I wished I could have shrunk under the stage at that point but, unfortunately, I had run out of shrinking potion. The third time was the charm! Best wishes, martin bender On 15-May-08, at 1:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim, I was playing extra with the Boston Symphony a few years back. We were playing Mahler's 1st Symphony, and were standing playing the final movement LOUDLY. I blew my Bb slide over my right shoulder landing on the floor amongst the percussion section. Luckily the noise on stage covered everything! Sincerely Ken Pope I was mortified. Has this sort of thing ever happened to one of you? -- Tim Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow http://www.poperepair.com US Dealer: Kuhn Horns Bonna Cases Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Nury Guarnaschelli
Dear Hans, Thank you so much for sharing this clip with us. I really enjoyed Nury's playing. So musical. And what a picture perfect embouchure! I'm curious as to how she ever got enough air into the horn to make such a beautiful sound...she certainly looked like she was only taking small breaths. What's her secret? Leslie Mantrone New York -- message: 10 date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:00:16 +0200 (CEST) from: Johann Illich [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Nury Guarnaschelli , RSO Vienna , Pinchas Stein Hi friends of the Horn! Just want to tell you about a beautiful performance of Mozarts Concert Nr.4 by Soloist Nury Guarnaschelli with the RSO Vienna (Radio Sinfonie Orchester Wien), conducted by Pinchas Stein. I do hope you like it es much as I do. Cheers and best regards from Linz in Austria, Hans Illich 1. Mov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK8NM76il4Afeature=related 2. Mov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-7EgbtGumENR=1 3. Mov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1zF9QV46Wkfeature=related Cadenca: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_0xhMEZ1Cgfeature=related ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Falling Apart
Beg to differ - trying to hold your breath during a laughing attack is NOT a good idea. Drinking water during a laughing attack is a less good idea. In either case, when the explosion comes, your laughing attack will be famous. If you are capable of holding your breath or getting liquid down your gullet, you're not having a laughing attack. I would recommend instead forcing yourself to think of something seriously sad, scary, dreadful or tragic. Loren is on the right track - the problem is in the mind and can be addressed there, maybe. A real laughing attack is no - well, laughing matter. It's more like a seizure. David Goldberg Linda wrote: Drinking water (or other gulpable liquid) while holding one's breath is supposed to work (`'•.¸(`'•.¸ ~ ¸.•'´)¸.•'´) «´.¸¸LACORNISTA¸¸.•`» (¸.•'´(¸.•'´ ~ `'•.¸)`'•.¸) Sent from my supersweet BlackBerry! -Original Message- From: Computer Intelligence LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:28:32 To:'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Falling Apart The best cure for hiccups or a laughing attack was to be playing under Dr. Revelli and have him stare at you. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KJ L Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:56 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Falling Apart Hi Tim! I'm in high school, too, and have had a few embarassing experiences like anyone... Once, a lightbulb exploded and hit me on the head, giving me a headache for the rest of a concert; another time I got so lost coming back from the restroom that the concert was held up from starting for 10 minutes. Last week I got the hiccups for the duration of a piece in an orchestra concert. I didn't have any solos, luckily, but it was really unnerving. Has anyone else had the hiccups? Do you know any quick fixes? Have a happy day, Kate ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lacornista%40mindspring.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/goldberg%40wccnet.org ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
