Re: [Hornlist] Dangers of loud playing?
Rehearsing a Mahler part at 1 am seems to be insane anyway. People doing this should better stay in a home for mentally disturbed. Why aren´t they able to organize their time (practise) during normal hours not after mid-night ??? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Next year ...
Hello Walt, gratulation to Mother child and you as a happy father. About the IHS meeting next year: BE PATIENT. You will know it probably tomorrow or after tomorrow. Even I have no idea, and it allways seemed unfair to me, to trumpet things out before they were announced officially, as the mass media are doing. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Next year ... I too am interested in knowing where next year's shindig is going to be held. This year was a no go due to high fuel prices and more importantly, my third grandchild was born just last Thursday afternoon. Kathryn weighted in at 9 pounds, 9 ounces. Mother and daughter are doing well. I am needed to help with my family (a great thing!) Hope you guys in Denver are having a great time and learning a bunch of new stuff. Walt Lewis Bill Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listers, Would someone at the Denver symposium let us know where next year's IHS bash will be. I couldn't make it out to Denver this year ... had to use my vacation time to witness my oldest child actually graduating from college. I promised the wife that we would go next year no matter where. She's an oboist (doesn't care about hornplaying much), and would be a tourist and see the sights while I'm cavorting around with horn players. (She REALLY wanted to go to Switzerland, but we had schedule conflicts then, too.) Thanks in advance. Bill ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40ya hoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] technicolor mpcs
A new leak in Hattiesburg perhaps ? Or contaminated lipsticks ? Radiated material used ? Some companies use deep freezing others use X-raying, third companies use radiation (cobalt). Or Chinese products ? Some companies with access to high tech bring them into salt mines, but some salt mines carry also radioactive waste depots ... Have you heard about these color changing precious stones from Russia named alexandrite. They change color between daylight artificial light. But these, even produced now in a fuse process, are too hard to be used for a mouthpiece, so they cannot be the source. Have you checked your drinking water ? No ? I would do it. Some bottled water comes from obscure sources, while tap water is regulated by law usually, but when profit is in sight, law will be broken easily. So, please, check about. Oops, I forgot the influence of teeth-bleechers, recycled metal . === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rebekah Schaub Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] technicolor mpcs I bought a new stock Marcinkiewicz mouthpiece some months ago - since then the inside of the mpc has turned a dark orange. Very cool. I've heard of the inside of mpcs turning blue, but this is the first time i (or any of my colleagues) have encountered orange (or anything besides blue, actually)... Any one out there a) seen different colors? b) know what's up with the orange?Rebekah _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid= TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Von Schacht Quartet No.94
Is it the Schacht composing in Regensburg ? At the Thurn Taxis court ? = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Black Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 7:02 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Von Schacht Quartet No.94 Hi all fellow enthisiasts, A bit of an obscure one - does anyone know of a recording of the von Schacht Quartet No. 94 for horn, violin, viola and cello? Has anyone played it before and have any tips? The only tricky area looks like the adagio. Cheers, Adam Black _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau% 2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2% 2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=t ig_OCT07_m=EXT_ __ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] technicolor mpcs
Dear fellows, Silver plating seems to turn purplish hue or black when kept for some time near rubber or things that contains sulphur. Personally observing with exception to my silver pizka mouthpiece, the others like my older storks, marcinkiewiczs, lawsons, yamahas, dennis wicks, Josef Klier and Schmid changed in color. I now keep my old mouthpieces in leather pouches. My wife's silver plated clarinet keys too turned rainbowish dark when she kept an ebonite mouthpiece in her clarinet case. she now keep her mouthpiece in a separate case from her clarinet. no more discoloration. can someone explain how this happen? Colin the Hornfellow Singapore --- On Sat, 7/26/08, hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hornlist] technicolor mpcs To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 2:41 PM A new leak in Hattiesburg perhaps ? Or contaminated lipsticks ? Radiated material used ? Some companies use deep freezing others use X-raying, third companies use radiation (cobalt). Or Chinese products ? Some companies with access to high tech bring them into salt mines, but some salt mines carry also radioactive waste depots ... Have you heard about these color changing precious stones from Russia named alexandrite. They change color between daylight artificial light. But these, even produced now in a fuse process, are too hard to be used for a mouthpiece, so they cannot be the source. Have you checked your drinking water ? No ? I would do it. Some bottled water comes from obscure sources, while tap water is regulated by law usually, but when profit is in sight, law will be broken easily. So, please, check about. Oops, I forgot the influence of teeth-bleechers, recycled metal . === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rebekah Schaub Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] technicolor mpcs I bought a new stock Marcinkiewicz mouthpiece some months ago - since then the inside of the mpc has turned a dark orange. Very cool. I've heard of the inside of mpcs turning blue, but this is the first time i (or any of my colleagues) have encountered orange (or anything besides blue, actually)... Any one out there a) seen different colors? b) know what's up with the orange?Rebekah _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid= TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornfellow%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dangers of loud playing?
I was at home. I just got carried away, not an organizational problem, and subsequently apologized to both neighbors, who pretended to know nothing about the whole thing. Shel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rehearsing a Mahler part at 1 am seems to be insane anyway. People doing this should better stay in a home for mentally disturbed. Why aren´t they able to organize their time (practise) during normal hours not after mid-night ??? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/skirshner%40ameritech.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Out of tune Conn 8D
There are many instances of 8D's having an F side that was too long or too short and the same for a too long 3rd valve crook. Additionally or alternately, as the 4th valve (and others) begins to leak the two sides of the horn can easily become mismatched. First check for valve compression and then look to alternate causes such as tubing lengths. In most cases these can be fixed moderately easily. The Jack Attack! -Original Message- message: 5 date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:34:59 -0700 from: David Laraway [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Out of tune Conn 8D A question for the repair people on the list. I have a horn student with a Conn 8D (serial #970*** - which seems to put it as being made in 1961 or 1962). I noticed he was playing a lot on the F side in places where the Bb side would have made more sense, so I asked him why he was doing that. He told me it didn't sound as good because it was out of tune on the Bb side. I checked it and he was right. The only way I was able to get it in tune with itself was to push all the F tuning slides (not the valve tuning slides) all the way in and then had to pull out the main tuning slide until it was almost falling out to get the horn to a 440 A. Basically, the Bb side is a bit too short. Is this something you come across often, and what can be done most economically to fix it. What's odd to me is if this horn is that old why hasn't this been noticed and taken care of before. Makes me wonder if something was replaced at some point and the replacement wasn't quite right. Thanks for any input, David Laraway ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] technicolor mpcs
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[Hornlist] Ear piercing Questions
Here's a question for everybody. I remember reading that a good mouthpiece will whistle. My old model Shilke 30 will sometimes whistle when I'm trying to see if there is water in the horn. And, quite frankly it is sometimes embarrassing because with my short memory I forget it does it. I have a newer gold plated Shilke 30. As much as they claim, the 2 are not exactly the same. The newer one has a slightly thinner rim and is a tad deeper. The shank material is thinner and the outer cup is not as thick. It also does not have as noticable inner cup ridge. Don't know how else to explain it. The gold plated one has never whistled. It also has a bit smoother sound some have told me. I got it because of the slight allergy problems with metals that I have. My family has a tendency to have very sensitive ears to certain pitches and noises and the like. So, to see if my daughter noticed any significant difference to the mouthpieces she sat and listened to them. I played the exact same passages. The gold mouthpiece was okay. When I tried the old silver plated one she winced and said it not only sounded brighter but actually hurt her ears because of the higher pitched sound. Okay, here's one question, did the gold plating that made that much difference?? Or, was it the different shape of the mouthpieces that made the difference? Or, a combination of both? Also, which of those factors come into play for the preferred sound to the audience as a whole to listen for? Should I take advantage of the differences such as using the brighter one for all the outdoor playing we do and save the softer sounding gold one for indoor playing? Or, vise-a-versa??? It isn't just my daughter's ears. I can hear a difference between them when switching around between them. My husband even notices the difference and says the gold one sounds softer and sweeter. Believe me, he is not a musician. When we're listening to concerts and he hears an interesting sound he has to ask me which instrument is playing that part. Oh, for those who do not know about the Shilke 30 as far as inner shape goes, it is not the straight funnel. Instead, there is an ever so slight bowl shape. I'm not asking in the why's of whether or not that shape is proper compared to the straight funnel sides. I've tried many mouthpieces through the years and this is what I've settled on. I'm interested in the tone differences with the mouthpieces and opinions on that. Thank You, DMM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Dangers of Loud Playing (HANS)
Hans, out of no disrespect for you. I humbly beg to insert that not everyone life is so tidy that they may practice at friendly hours. There can be many variables. I have two examples in my own experience, and sure many others would have stories of their own for why and how one might find themselves with horn in hand at a later hour then most. For instance I, as a college music major circa 1995: I was required to take and pass proficiently a keyboard technique and a piano class. Being a Horn player from a small city with very little guidance, no one ever dropped the hint that while I was a bit younger I may want to take up Piano to help with my future goals. Saying the piano was a struggle for a 19 yr old who was well attuned to single clef frame of reference, would be a mild statement. It was more like trying to juggle 6 overly ripe tomatoes with no experience juggling. I was spending 6 hours a day in the practice labs while a 25 hour course load and playing in three school ensembles, and teaching brass to our university Band program and working in the music library during the evenings. Finding time to play my horn fell quite late into the night most days. As a second example. I am now a come back player after 10 yrs off due to a spine injury with Jaw complication. I have a full time job that requires 12 to 13 hours a day from me. I don't walk through my door till 10 PM earliest. As a come back player I have to work twice as hard and steady as anything in my past. I try to get as much playing in prior to my 11:00 PM noise ordinance, and then I slide my Mute in for any additional work I feel I require. While I personally would love to be playing my horn longer and at better hours I do not make a profession with my horn and must achieve my results far outside the standard box of what is acceptable. Luckily for me, most of my neighbors who have head me sojourning on and burning the midnight oil, have had nothing but compliments and commendations for me. I can only pray I never offend someone to the point of a officer needing to ask me to quite down. What we do for love often requires much compromise. Physical and mental. I don't feel this statement applies solely to the horn, but to anything in life we love and work at daily. Just examples for your consideration. With deep respect for the art you have prefected. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Out of tune Conn 8D
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Re: [Hornlist] Ear piercing Questions
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[Hornlist] Re: out of tune Conn 8D
Hmmm, I'm with you part way there, but the way I've usually seen it is that the whole horn is flat, with the F circuit being even flatter. For a few years, Conn built the 8Ds with extra long main tuning slides. My 900,000 had the long one and I shortened it to the length they used before and after the long period. The outer tube on the left is now 1 11/16 long. Now the F circuit will still be flat compared to the Bb horn. Sometime in the 60s they made the ferrules on the back F tuning slide narrower. That brought it up a little higher. You could change those ferrules, or cut a little off the tubes. The front F slide stays all the way in of course, that one's just for dumping water. Like I say, I haven't seen the Bb horn register sharp on a 900,000, but if you manage to play the (very flat) F horn up to pitch, which certainly could be done with some difficulty, I guess the Bb horn would be pretty wildly high in comparison. Of course, there definitely is the possibility that something's been replaced with something else of a wrong length sometime over the last 45 years or so - leadpipe maybe? Time to get out the rusty hacksaw! If you get the pitch issues worked out, the 900,000s are great sounding horns! Let me know the measurements of the existing tuning slide tubes and I can give you some comparisons. A good quality photo or two, I could spot some replacement items. BTW, the 3rd Bb slide is often too long too. Phil Farkas had a story about how Georg Szell would always insist that hornists play the C# in the Oberon solo on the F horn because it was often flat on the Bb horn with that extra long 3rd slide. When it came time to play the solo, Farkas put his stand up higher so Szell couldn't see his fingering. When Szell complained about it he told him, my fingerings are none of your business! - Steve Mumford David wrote: A question for the repair people on the list. I have a horn student with a Conn 8D (serial #970*** - which seems to put it as being made in 1961 or 1962). I noticed he was playing a lot on the F side in places where the Bb side would have made more sense, so I asked him why he was doing that. He told me it didn't sound as good because it was out of tune on the Bb side. I checked it and he was right. The only way I was able to get it in tune with itself was to push all the F tuning slides (not the valve tuning slides) all the way in and then had to pull out the main tuning slide until it was almost falling out to get the horn to a 440 A. Basically, the Bb side is a bit too short. Is this something you come across often, and what can be done most economically to fix it. What's odd to me is if this horn is that old why hasn't this been noticed and taken care of before. Makes me wonder if something was replaced at some point and the replacement wasn't quite right. Thanks for any input, David Laraway ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dangers of Loud Playing (HANS)
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[Hornlist] Der Hornwache Nachtlied
Hans P wrote Rehearsing a Mahler part at 1 am seems to be insane anyway. People doing this should better stay in a home for mentally disturbed. Why aren´t they able to organize their time (practise) during normal hours not after mid-night ??? * Sorry Hans, but we were busy during normal hours, we had to rehearse Wozzeck all morning, Meistersinger all afternoon, and Gurre-lieder the whole evening. So 1 AM was the only time we could fit in the Mahler. And we couldn't do it at the home for mentally disturbed: they were already rehearsing Moses and Aaron and Hello, Dolly! gotta go, Cabbage gotta go, Cabbage ** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Dangers of loud playing?
What if they waited until 3 am and did it in an enclosed parking garage instead? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:11 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dangers of loud playing? Rehearsing a Mahler part at 1 am seems to be insane anyway. People doing this should better stay in a home for mentally disturbed. Why aren´t they able to organize their time (practise) during normal hours not after mid-night ??? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 67, Issue 20
Ok, All year we hear about flight cases, and what the airlines will accept. Denver just happened, how did you fly with your instrument? ** 2 checked horns MIRACULOUSLY arrived safely (United) BUT. My family of 4 flew with 2 suitcases and 2 checked horns, with one more in a gig bag as carry-on. One suitcase was 52 lbs. In the middle of the busy ticketing area area I had to open the too heavy suitcase and re-disperse dirty laundry to our second suitcase. They would NOT total the aggregate which for 4 people was UNDER 120 lbs. including the 2 horns. Four people are allowed 50 lbs. each. Any overage is $100.00. I asked that since we were all booked together, why don't they just add everything together? I was totally ignored. So out came about 5lbs of dirty stuff to redisperse. When checking the horns, I asked the check-in agent that they be put in indivdual tubs before they were sent down the conveyor, The agent spoke poor English and either did not understand me, or didn't want to understand me. She slapped fragile stickers on them and then casually dropped each of them on the conveyor belt. If United tanks, I won't shed a tear. They were at 51.60 earlier in the last year and today closed at 8.51. Good. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
