Re: [Hornlist] Konzertst ü ck questions
Bear: Where did you get that information about natural horns and the Konzertstück.? My understanding is that Schumann wrote it specifically to showcase the abilities of the newly developed valve horn...all four of them. Having played it but once, I can vouch for the fact that all four parts are chromatic and not at all "natural horn-like." Perhaps one of the expert Konzertstückiologists on this list could clarify the question. Richard in Seattle Bear Woodson wrote: Hello, Everyone. I'm sorry. You guys have probably talked this topic to death, but I've been listening to my recording of the Schumann Konzert- stück recently. (I have the "Vox Box" of 2 CD's of the complete concerted works of Robert Schumann, with Francis Orval, Françios Tommasini, Robert Desprez and Robert Janssens playing the Konzertstück.) The program notes are very limited and only say that it was written for 2 Natural Horns, so I'm worried that the other 2 must be UN-Natural Horns. (This being the Halloween season, there are too many unnatural things already lurking about!) Does Schumann use F Crooks on the 2 Natural Horns for the Entire Work, or does he have them switch to Crooks in Other Keys during the work? (I've been digging around on the internet and none of the websites that I've seen, answer this question.) Which 2 are the Natural Horns? Are they Numbers 1 & 3, the 2 Higher Horns, or is one Higher and the other one Lower? I seem to remember that someone on one of these Horn Lists once said that this work ends with the First Horn going to a Written High E (Concert Pitch High A, ABOVE the TREBLE CLEF)! Ouch! (I didn't risk writing that high in any of my Horn Sonatas, nor in my Horn Concerto!) And yet on the recording, they make it sound lovely and easy! Bravi! Is that High Concert A on a Natural or UN-Natural Horn? Schumann had an Annoying Habit of Doubling TOO Often in the Orchestration of his works. I know that Mahler later re-scored the Schumann Cello Concerto, to weed out some of those unnecessary Doublings, and make a few appropriate changes. (Mahler also re-orchestrated the Beethoven Ninth Symphony, but that mostly resulted in adding a Tuba in a few passages that really benefited from it, since Tubae were not invented until after Beethoven had died.) I find some passages of the Schumann Konzertstück orchestration to be irritating, due to SO MUCH Doubling of the Violins, and / or Flute, Oboe or Clarinet, above the Highest Horn. Has anyone ever re-orchestrated and cleaned up this Konzertstück? I thank you in advance. Bear Woodson Composer in Tucson, Arizona, USA Home: 520 - 881 - 2558 "Bear Woodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "I exchange E-Mails with people all over the world. When they learn that I live in Arizona, they say, "Wouldn't you have to be crazy to live in a desert that's so hot all the time?", I answer "Yes, exactly, we ALL are!" I then explain that in most climates when the Paranoids are out to GET you, they hide in the bushes and STARE at you all day, while you are at work or home. But in the deserts, we don't HAVE many bushes, because sometimes we only have clumps of Cacti. So when the Paranoids have to do an 8-hour shift of Staring as someone here, it could mean 3 Weeks of pulling Cactus Needles out of their butts with pliers! For this reason the Arizona Paranoids have a VERY Strong Union! It is crucial that all people know this, in case they decide to go crazy and move to Arizona!" - Bear Woodson (2002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornfella%40comcast.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1744 - Release Date: 10/24/2008 6:08 PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Herr Pizka's whereabouts
Hans’ family is truly international with his wife being a Chinese lady from Thailand(?). After his retirement Hans and the family travels extensively. Last I was in contact with him, was when we had the question about Bb alto or Bb basso in Haydn’s Harmoniemesse. What I understood was that his laptop didn’t come through as reliably as his home computer. Hans will return eventually, and we shouldn’t envy the freedom he enjoys. Klaus in DK --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Hornlist] Herr Pizka's whereabouts > To: "'The Horn List'" > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 4:23 AM > I emailed Herr Pizka a mouthpiece question and didn't > receive a reply - does > anyone know if he's incommunicado? I don't recall > seeing much from him on > the list in the last few weeks. > > Herr Pizka, if you're reading this, please reply to me > by private email when > you have a few minutes, and thank you. > > -S- > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Herr Pizka's whereabouts
I emailed Herr Pizka a mouthpiece question and didn't receive a reply - does anyone know if he's incommunicado? I don't recall seeing much from him on the list in the last few weeks. Herr Pizka, if you're reading this, please reply to me by private email when you have a few minutes, and thank you. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Konzertst ü ck questions
Hello, Everyone. I'm sorry. You guys have probably talked this topic to death, but I've been listening to my recording of the Schumann Konzert- stück recently. (I have the "Vox Box" of 2 CD's of the complete concerted works of Robert Schumann, with Francis Orval, Françios Tommasini, Robert Desprez and Robert Janssens playing the Konzertstück.) The program notes are very limited and only say that it was written for 2 Natural Horns, so I'm worried that the other 2 must be UN-Natural Horns. (This being the Halloween season, there are too many unnatural things already lurking about!) Does Schumann use F Crooks on the 2 Natural Horns for the Entire Work, or does he have them switch to Crooks in Other Keys during the work? (I've been digging around on the internet and none of the websites that I've seen, answer this question.) Which 2 are the Natural Horns? Are they Numbers 1 & 3, the 2 Higher Horns, or is one Higher and the other one Lower? I seem to remember that someone on one of these Horn Lists once said that this work ends with the First Horn going to a Written High E (Concert Pitch High A, ABOVE the TREBLE CLEF)! Ouch! (I didn't risk writing that high in any of my Horn Sonatas, nor in my Horn Concerto!) And yet on the recording, they make it sound lovely and easy! Bravi! Is that High Concert A on a Natural or UN-Natural Horn? Schumann had an Annoying Habit of Doubling TOO Often in the Orchestration of his works. I know that Mahler later re-scored the Schumann Cello Concerto, to weed out some of those unnecessary Doublings, and make a few appropriate changes. (Mahler also re-orchestrated the Beethoven Ninth Symphony, but that mostly resulted in adding a Tuba in a few passages that really benefited from it, since Tubae were not invented until after Beethoven had died.) I find some passages of the Schumann Konzertstück orchestration to be irritating, due to SO MUCH Doubling of the Violins, and / or Flute, Oboe or Clarinet, above the Highest Horn. Has anyone ever re-orchestrated and cleaned up this Konzertstück? I thank you in advance. Bear Woodson Composer in Tucson, Arizona, USA Home: 520 - 881 - 2558 "Bear Woodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "I exchange E-Mails with people all over the world. When they learn that I live in Arizona, they say, "Wouldn't you have to be crazy to live in a desert that's so hot all the time?", I answer "Yes, exactly, we ALL are!" I then explain that in most climates when the Paranoids are out to GET you, they hide in the bushes and STARE at you all day, while you are at work or home. But in the deserts, we don't HAVE many bushes, because sometimes we only have clumps of Cacti. So when the Paranoids have to do an 8-hour shift of Staring as someone here, it could mean 3 Weeks of pulling Cactus Needles out of their butts with pliers! For this reason the Arizona Paranoids have a VERY Strong Union! It is crucial that all people know this, in case they decide to go crazy and move to Arizona!" - Bear Woodson (2002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Music information
We are currently playing the Carmen Fantasy and all the horn parts are simple. They are however quite exposed and there is need for transposition in E, D and C. Never the less, in my opinion the hardest part is counting all the rests :) Have fun, Artturi Lehtiö Finland Fred wrote: Next concerts, we are playing a few pieces which I have not encountered before, and I'll need to make playing assignments prior to seeing the horn parts. Anyone have information (number of horns, difficulty, horn solos, etc.) regarding the following: Berlioz - King Lear Overture Saint-Saens - Havanaise Sarasate - Carmen Fantasy Thanks, Fred ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lehtior2%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] on the streets (was 2 horns and strings)
Carl Bangs writes: A movement from an early Haydn symphony might work. I used to play number 18 with a string qurtet on the streets in San Francisco. The oboe parts merely double the strings.<<< Carl, Is there a living playing on the streets? I guess I mean, is it for love or money?What is the experience like? LLB "the streets of Laredo" ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Chabrier Larghetto for wind ensemble ?
Hello Horn Folks - Is anyone aware of a transcription of the Larghetto for Horn and Strings by Chabrier for Horn and small Wind Ensemble or Band? I know this is kind of gross but that is what I have to work with for this particular situation. Thanks, David Meichle Lawrence University _ A New Way to Get Free & Discounted Offers -- FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.juno.com/TGL/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Music information
Sarasate is not difficult, but it is a violin piece with lots of rubato and tempo changes. If your horns are not familiar with the Bizet's Carmen, they should listen to it and get the flavor, as this is the basis of the piece. We played it last year and you could instantly tell which members of the orchestra were or were not familiar with Carmen in general. Paul - Original Message - From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Music information Next concerts, we are playing a few pieces which I have not encountered before, and I'll need to make playing assignments prior to seeing the horn parts. Anyone have information (number of horns, difficulty, horn solos, etc.) regarding the following: Berlioz - King Lear Overture Saint-Saens - Havanaise Sarasate - Carmen Fantasy Thanks, Fred ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmanly%40icehouse.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 7:54 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
