[Hornlist] Donato

[Wendell Rider]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, horn-requ...@music.memphis.edu wrote:


from: "hans.pi...@t-online.de" 
subject: Re: [Hornlist] email from Donato Inglese

Valerie, you are quite "funny". What is clownery of his youtube video
clips ? Tell me, please. Besides his Long Call under the blanket ? Or
the half naked Strauss no.2 ? Or was it funny how he presented/blamed
old Hermann Baumann, who had some cups of wine before ??? Is it fun or
clownery how he played Strauss no.1 in a church concert ? Yes, he is
fearless like a terrorist.

And I might say, you seem to understand "grotesque" as "fun", an
understanding which I cannot share with you.

His video clips from the competition in Sannicandro are not fun but
scandalous. He performed the wonderful lyrical first part of Nino  
Rota´s

"Castel del Monte" if he wanted to demolish the "walls of Jericho". I
witnessed that first hand, as I sat in the jury, which you can see on
the clip. And a musical competition with a highest award of 5.000.-  
EUR

(equal 6.500 USD) is not a joke or fun, as you might assume. A
competition is a serious thing. If it were not serious, I would have
interrupted & stopped his most ugly performance. I had no information
about him except his name & age on the name list, so not having any
preoccupation. His performance was an insult. You find it funny  
perhaps,

but why ? You should explain, what´s so funny there, please.

Yes, clams aren´t liver cancer, I agree, but what a comparison ? And
nobody talked about clams regarding Donato Inglese. Nobody talked  
about

his musical style, if any. We talked about his insulting ugly way of
playing the horn, which is not fun at all to listen to. It is not fun,
but disgusting.

You hope to be as fun & fearless with your horn as is Donato. Well,
Valerie, having fun & be fearless is not the essential of horn  
playing,

special as most amateurs (you are an amateur, who loves horn playing)
have not the playing skill, to fool around at will. Most of them fool,
because it happen to them and giggle even at mini-clams (of their
colleagues or others, being completely destroyed by their own clams
!!!). If you like to make fun with the horn, you must be even better
than most professionals, controlling the horn in all aspects. Yes,  
then
you will be able to make fun, but in this case, you would never do  
such
ugly things as did Donato, as you would not want to ruin your  
reputation

as a player. Fun has nothing to do with primitivity. May-be, you have
mixed up the priorities. Some TV show use a technique similar to
Donato´s "art", where people receive their applaud even for "back door
air escape noise", as soon as the show master claps with his hands  
or as

soon as the "laughing machine" is turned on.

-Original Message-
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:39:20 +0100
Subject: [Hornlist] email from Donato Inglese
From: "wells123...@juno.com" 
To: horn@music.memphis.edu

Yes, I did get a very nice email from Donato. He thanked me for my  
warm
words. I believe he is frustrated that people judge him harshly  
because

they misunderstand the purpose of his youtube videos. His you-tube
videos are for fun, not nose-in-the-air arteeestry. I enjoy his
you-tube videos because Donato is FUN, fearless, un-inhibited,  
spirited
and shows a refreshing sense of humor. These are rare qualities to  
find

publically expressed by professional horn players.

I believe it's sad when people take their horn playing so seriously  
that

they can't clown around. We need to keep things in perspective. Clams
aren't liver cancer, they won't kill us, so we should have fun with  
our
horns! I hope someday to be as fun & fearless with my horn as  
Donato is.

~~Valerie



Sorry about reposting so much but I felt it was important. I happened  
to be talking to my good friend Valerie today and she gave me the  
links to the You Tube examples of this guy's playing. She seemed to  
be sure he was fooling around and just having fun. And then I saw  
Hans' reply.


So, here is my take on this. First of all, we have two people with  
very different personalities talking about one player. Two different  
takes on the same material. Just the sort of thing for comment on the  
forum, since the clips are there for everyone to see. OK, here we go.


I saw no evidence of someone fooling around. Check out the look on  
his face as he turns the tape off and his general body language. He  
even had a full recital spread out over several clips and went to the  
trouble of taping it and posting it. He might have spent a little  
more money on a pianist and rehearsal time, though.


This is really bad playing. It is all that I dislike about horn  
playing. This guy has no clue about the pieces in terms of style,  
tempo and just good taste. I watched as much as I could stomach, and  
I think I saw enough. I did check a number of clips and it was all  
the same. This is the epitome of the "higher, louder, faster" school  
of horn playing. I could stop h

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[Robert Osmun]

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Works for me.


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[lewhorn9]

Do'ah!!!

I've been cabbaged after all these years! Look what happens when one forgets 
one three letter word!

Thanks for pointing out my error... Darned Blackberry! (Gotta blame it on that 
small keyboard)

Walt Lewis
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Sent: Jan 9, 2009 1:08 PM

Walt L wrote:

I can't comment on the Texas Horns, as I've heard it.

***
I can't comment on your message, as I've read it.

Gotta go,
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[HornCabbage]

Walt L wrote:

I can't comment on the Texas Horns, as I've heard it.

***
I can't comment on your message, as I've read it.

Gotta go,
Cabbage


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Re: [Hornlist] email from Donato Inglese

[hans.pi...@t-online.de]

Valerie, you are quite "funny". What is clownery of his youtube video
clips ? Tell me, please. Besides his Long Call under the blanket ? Or
the half naked Strauss no.2 ? Or was it funny how he presented/blamed
old Hermann Baumann, who had some cups of wine before ??? Is it fun or
clownery how he played Strauss no.1 in a church concert ? Yes, he is
fearless like a terrorist. 

And I might say, you seem to understand "grotesque" as "fun", an
understanding which I cannot share with you. 

His video clips from the competition in Sannicandro are not fun but
scandalous. He performed the wonderful lyrical first part of Nino Rota´s
"Castel del Monte" if he wanted to demolish the "walls of Jericho". I
witnessed that first hand, as I sat in the jury, which you can see on
the clip. And a musical competition with a highest award of 5.000.- EUR
(equal 6.500 USD) is not a joke or fun, as you might assume. A
competition is a serious thing. If it were not serious, I would have
interrupted & stopped his most ugly performance. I had no information
about him except his name & age on the name list, so not having any
preoccupation. His performance was an insult. You find it funny perhaps,
but why ? You should explain, what´s so funny there, please.

Yes, clams aren´t liver cancer, I agree, but what a comparison ? And
nobody talked about clams regarding Donato Inglese. Nobody talked about
his musical style, if any. We talked about his insulting ugly way of
playing the horn, which is not fun at all to listen to. It is not fun,
but disgusting.

You hope to be as fun & fearless with your horn as is Donato. Well,
Valerie, having fun & be fearless is not the essential of horn playing,
special as most amateurs (you are an amateur, who loves horn playing)
have not the playing skill, to fool around at will. Most of them fool,
because it happen to them and giggle even at mini-clams (of their
colleagues or others, being completely destroyed by their own clams
!!!). If you like to make fun with the horn, you must be even better
than most professionals, controlling the horn in all aspects. Yes, then
you will be able to make fun, but in this case, you would never do such
ugly things as did Donato, as you would not want to ruin your reputation
as a player. Fun has nothing to do with primitivity. May-be, you have
mixed up the priorities. Some TV show use a technique similar to
Donato´s "art", where people receive their applaud even for "back door
air escape noise", as soon as the show master claps with his hands or as
soon as the "laughing machine" is turned on. 

-Original Message-
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:39:20 +0100
Subject: [Hornlist] email from Donato Inglese
From: "wells123...@juno.com" 
To: horn@music.memphis.edu

Yes, I did get a very nice email from Donato. He thanked me for my warm
words. I believe he is frustrated that people judge him harshly because
they misunderstand the purpose of his youtube videos. His you-tube
videos are for fun, not nose-in-the-air arteeestry. I enjoy his
you-tube videos because Donato is FUN, fearless, un-inhibited, spirited
and shows a refreshing sense of humor. These are rare qualities to find
publically expressed by professional horn players. 

I believe it's sad when people take their horn playing so seriously that
they can't clown around. We need to keep things in perspective. Clams
aren't liver cancer, they won't kill us, so we should have fun with our
horns! I hope someday to be as fun & fearless with my horn as Donato is.
~~Valerie


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RE: [Hornlist] (no subject)

[Bill Gross]

Nope, no jocks in the outfit, it the Horn Sections of the Dallas and Houston
symphonies.  As I recall they recorded the music on a long weekend.  So,
unlike the other groups in question, they don't work together as a team on a
regular basis.  They just got together one time for the recording.  

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[mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf
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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] (no subject)

Would these be the famed Texas Longhorns, perhaps?

Richard in Seattle

Bill Gross wrote:
> I have just gotten a copy of Texas Horns.  The ensemble sounds great, I
> think the selection of music was un-inspired.  In doing a comparison if
they
> play different stuff it's hard to say. 
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Re: [Hornlist] (no subject)

[Richard V. West]

Would these be the famed Texas Longhorns, perhaps?

Richard in Seattle

Bill Gross wrote:

I have just gotten a copy of Texas Horns.  The ensemble sounds great, I
think the selection of music was un-inspired.  In doing a comparison if they
play different stuff it's hard to say. 

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