[Hornlist] Oil emulsion in horns - avoid!
Luke Zyla wrote: My experience with putting oil in my horn is that it creates an emulsion with the water vapor and makes it difficult to empty all of the water. The annoying gurgling becomes maddening. Luke, My experience with oils is that some kinds readily form a cloudy emulsion with water and other oils do not. An emulsion mess inside of your horn can create a much worse problem than gumming up your dewatering. Emulsions can gather and bunch up as gelatinous clumps around your valve clusters and seriously affect the way the horn plays. A few years back I had an emulsion mess around my Bb side 2nd valve such that high F# was impossible to play. Once I cleaned my horn with with fast moving water the problem went away. (And, the gelatinous mess exited the bell!) Test for the emulsion forming properties of your oils by putting a drop of the oil with a couple drops of water between your index finger and thumb, and rub together for a minute. Ideally, the oil and water maintain separated, however, some oils form a cloudy emulsion. Keep the latter category of oil away from your valves! Regards, Larry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Leadpipe Question
I'm experimenting with a new leadpipe for a Horner Model Kruspe. I attached it last night and found that there was one note, high A Flat, that I just couldn't get to respond. I am doing this via mail order, so I can't take the horn into the gentleman doing the work. Is it possible that the physics of the match of the new leadpipe and the horn prevent that note from sounding? Is it memorex or is it me? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Leadpipe Question
It very well could be the pipe. I won't ask who made your replacement pipe for you, but I would think a custom would work well since a Kruspe is so similar to an 8D. A couple of years ago I was looking for a replacement pipe for my Alex 103, I consulted with Paul Navarro at an IHS Symposium, as soon as Paul learned the pipe was for an Alex, he told me to get another Alex pipe. It was good advice, my Alex plays great with the replacement Alex pipe. Good luck with your pipe. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: William Gross Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Leadpipe Question Sent: Mar 5, 2009 10:08 AM I'm experimenting with a new leadpipe for a Horner Model Kruspe. I attached it last night and found that there was one note, high A Flat, that I just couldn't get to respond. I am doing this via mail order, so I can't take the horn into the gentleman doing the work. Is it possible that the physics of the match of the new leadpipe and the horn prevent that note from sounding? Is it memorex or is it me? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Leadpipe Question
Dear Walt, I would really appreciate your recommendation regarding 103 lead pipes. I have a super 103 that I purchased from Mr. Stagliano in the early 70s. It has an amazing high register (no surprise there) but the original pipe was damaged and I have never been able to find an adequate replacement. thanks so your thoughts, Chris Wilhjelm lewho...@yahoo.com 3/5/2009 12:07 PM It very well could be the pipe. I won't ask who made your replacement pipe for you, but I would think a custom would work well since a Kruspe is so similar to an 8D. A couple of years ago I was looking for a replacement pipe for my Alex 103, I consulted with Paul Navarro at an IHS Symposium, as soon as Paul learned the pipe was for an Alex, he told me to get another Alex pipe. It was good advice, my Alex plays great with the replacement Alex pipe. Good luck with your pipe. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: William Gross Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Leadpipe Question Sent: Mar 5, 2009 10:08 AM I'm experimenting with a new leadpipe for a Horner Model Kruspe. I attached it last night and found that there was one note, high A Flat, that I just couldn't get to respond. I am doing this via mail order, so I can't take the horn into the gentleman doing the work. Is it possible that the physics of the match of the new leadpipe and the horn prevent that note from sounding? Is it memorex or is it me? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ( http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Leadpipe Question
Hi William, I put a new 8D leadpipe on an old nickel Horner model and it cleared up all the funny notes and turned a great sounding horn into a great sounding horn with no bad noted. I got lucky. As long as you are experimenting, you might try an 8D or 28D pipe. Regards,Jerry in Kansas City **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Leadpipe Question
I put a new 8D leadpipe on an old nickel Horner model and it cleared up all the funny notes and turned a great sounding horn into a great sounding horn with no bad noted. Jerry, what was the vintage of that 8D leadpipe? Was that a brand new, Eastlake-made pipe, or some other vintage? -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Leadpipe Question
But why not combining ear right hand to fine tune the 23 g# Or 1 on the F-side open right hand a bit ? == -Original Me ssage- Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:27:49 +0100 Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Leadpipe Question From: Steven Mumford mumfordhornwo...@att.net To: horn@music.memphis.edu First of all, please send all your original Kruspe leadpipes to me! G# above the staff has been sharp on pretty much all the pre-war Kruspes I've tried using the 2-3 fingering. 2nd valve locks it in nicely, open for the A. That's with an original pipe. It's anybody's guess with a brand X pipe. If a note is squirrely on a particular horn, it's often because that note wants to be very flat or sharp. You want it to be in tune, so you're trying to play it somplace that it isn't. Try and figure out where the horn wants that note to be and go from there. - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Leadpipe Question
Hi Dave, I look forward to seeing you in Macomb. I bought the leadpipe from a local repair guy as a new pipe that had been soldered to more than one horn for trials. I'm sure it was purchased new by him from Conn's Eastlake operation as a replacement 8D pipe. sure works great on the Horner Kruspe. Best regards, Jerry **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Black residue
Hi listers, I have a 2006 eastlake conn 8DS. Since day one, every time I pull a slide out of my horn, theres always some kind of black residue on the slides. I've given my horn multiple baths and have snaked it frequently, and i always snake out the slide tubes and clean the slides befor applying new grease. Why is this happening? I use Shilke tuning slide grease with lanolin, and i use hetman 13.5 and 12 for the rotors. Is it because of the grease? Thanks, Joe Scriva ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
