[Hornlist] Re: Kruspe and Benge MP, band music
message: 1 date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:12:37 -0500 from: "Dawn McCandless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe and Benge MP, band music [snip] We're getting ready for some Holiday concerts. One other listing I saw quickly was about horn arrangements for band. There definitely needs to be more harmony and melody in modern band arrangements for horn. There is so much more to the horn than just a back up drum (omm-pah's) or all the horns having the same one line harmony. =20 DMM Dawn, There are plenty of wind band works that have challenging horn parts. If you are not seeing them it is because your director is selecting works that don't properly utilize the horn. "One line" horn parts are a hallmark of simple composition. Ron Boerger ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] YouTube again
> from: "hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] YouTube again > > Hello list members: this is a warning > The copyright infringement coming from the "most lawful" > country mostly (sorry, this is the reality) is unbearable > anymore. Give us some reasonable way to arrange for small-scale rights and we will flood to it. If I want to release a small-scale recording of previously recorded works I either have to spend months tracking down and negotiating with individual rights holders or send the Harry Fox Agency an outrageous amount of money, since they don't deal in anything less than 500 units. Paying rights for 500 units when you only want to sell 100 is ludicrous. If I want to make a copy of a piece of printed music, even one that is out of print, I have to again waste an incredible amount of time and effort dealing with print firms that don't want to deal with someone who wants to make a single copy (I do not include small publishers such as yourself in this categorization, Hans). If I can find someone to grant permission they will often charge an outrageous fee, even though I may have to locate an original myself to make an "authorized" archive copy since they don't have one any more. Make the music available on-line and let me pay a reasonable amount per page and I will gladly do it. "But you could pay for one copy and xerox several more," you say? I can do that now. Give me an alternative and I will use it. The current copyright system is totally biased in favor of large-scale users because the rights agencies have no interest in coming up with reasonable accomodations for the individual licensee. I am not saying the people who are abusing copyright on Youtube/etc. are in the right, but they have damned few reasonable alternatives available to license content. This is the internet era; rights holders should promulgate a micropayment system that would ensure that rights holders are appropriately compensated for their work. The problem with that is they would lose control as well as lose control over the huge amount they skim off the top to maintain their bloated bureaucratic corporations. Copyright was intended to protect the rights of the author for a reasonable and limited amount of time but in the US has devolved into a joke where almost nothing ever goes out of copyright any more. The original intent of copyright was not to give the accumulators the right to tie up the rights to everything basically forever; thanks to "Sonny Bono" that's effectively the case now. Ron Boerger PS - Since you're slamming the US and to a much lesser extent Europe, you might also want to note the huge amount of counterfeiting going on in China and the Far East. China doesn't even pay lip service to protecting the rights of foreign copyright holders and there are billions of dollars in losses in things like counterfeit DVDs and all sorts of other counterfeit goods coming from China. Fair is fair. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Check out eBay: Special French Horn Fingering Chart Conn, Holton etc.
Now, here is what you all are having the needings of if you are going to be making practicings of those mostest difficultest of etudes like Maxime-Alphonse, Pottag-Hovey, or even Rubank Rare, Medium or Well or if you, by chance, get really, really, really serious, the BIG K!!! Seriously, I would point out that this is essentially the same chart available at http://boerger.org/horn/finger.shtml Save yourself $4 + shipping by printing it yourself. I do find the extremely similar formatting style and textual comments to be extremely interesting. Certainly there's only so many ways to do a fingering chart, but this is too close to what's been on my site for many years to be a coincidence. Ron Boerger ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Old Wine in New Bottles
This is available from J. W. Pepper. Go to http://www.jwpepper.com/. The parts are in stock, the score isn't available until 24 April. Ron B. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: fixed bell and airlines
Several responses to folks on this topic. Hopefully the formatting of the included text will be preserved... from: Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Ron - The TSA letter doesn't seem to limit itself to AFM members. I have use it several times, but generally haven't needed to do so. I agree, but the member in question objected to the response, hosted on the AFM website, being made public to non-members. When I hosted the TSA response using my own web resources, I was told in no uncertain terms to remove it. As I *had* obtained the letter from the AFM website, and as I have had unpleasant dealings with the legal profession, I elected to comply and to refer people to the TSA's site instead. The TSA letter dated January 17, 2003 says, in part, "On December 20, 2002, TSA instructed aircraft operators that effective immediately, they are to allow musical instruments as carry-on baggage in addition to the limit of one bag and one personal item per person as carry-on baggage on an aircraft." That conflicts with the TSA's own website, which says: "You may carry one (1) musical instrument in addition to one (1) carry-on and one (1) personal item through the screening checkpoint. This is a TSA Screening Policy. Air carriers may or may not allow the additional carry-on item on their aircraft. Please check with your air carrier prior to arriving at the airport." The letter is not a guarantee that the horn will be allowed as carry-on, just that you'll be able to get it through the screening process and to the gate. For me, the only place I've needed to be careful is on entering the plane itself, nowhere else. And, as has been said, a smile and a polite request have always netted a place for my horn in a closet. Courtesy often works well, but I've seen it have no impact and people forced to check their horns, too. We just got back from a trip to Seattle with a band where there were several people in exactly this fix - and that's not the only time. -- from: "Bill Gross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: fixed bell and airlines I think what TSA is saying is that it is not requiring airlines to ban instruments as carry-on. This is different from telling them that airlines must require it be placed with hold baggage. It does not restrict airlines from imposing other requirements such as an instrument that could block an emergency exit, etc. Just my opinion of the subject. With same you can get a cup of coffee at Starbucks for $5.00, without this opinion the coffee will only cost you $3.00 True; what the TSA is also not saying is that it is requiring airlines to ALLOW instruments as carry-on. The policy as promulgated on the website has gone through several different iterations, and I believe it reflects the current reality more than a letter dated January, 2003. If the TSA had instructed operators that instruments must be permitted as carry-ons, and if those instructions were currently valid, wouldn't you think it would be reflected on a TSA page devoted to musical instruments? True, we *are* dealing with a US government agency here. ;-) -- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: fixed bell and airlines [...] You're very close to mark, here. Airlines cannot automatically bar an instrument from being carried on just because it's an instrument. They cannot count it against your carry-on quota as anything other than another carry-on item. They must inspect it if you ask to carry it on. In other words, they can't require you to check it just because it's a musical instrument. Airlines don't inspect luggage! The TSA does! And that's all this covers, it's what the TSA will allow you to carry through the screening checkpoints. As the TSA website says, they do NOT set carry-on policy for the airlines. You will USUALLY be OK. You are not GUARANTEED to be OK, and that letter is not going to help you a bit if you encounter an intransigent gate agent, or bump up against airline policy that is unsympathetic to musicians (and specifically people with medium-sized or larger instruments such as horns). Gate agents have more power over what you can do than anything else. That's why it usually pays to be courteous, something the people portrayed on the reality series "Airline" never seem to figure out. It may seem like I am picking nits here, or that I am the one being intransigent. In reality, all I am trying to do is to make people aware that, when it comes to instruments, that TSA policy and airline policy are NOT one and the same. Ron Boerger ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Scanning Kopprasch (copyright)
from: Nick R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Scanning Kopprasch As far as I know, the copyright expires on the author's 25th deathday. That is, 25 years after he dies. (by the way, the beatles' copyright might expire this year). However, copyrights can be renewed, and if this is the case, it is illegal to sell or otherwise redistribute the material. The publisher may have renewed the copyright. Talk to them about it :) Perhaps that's the way the law works in Canada. The law in the US is that: * For works created after 1/1/1978: Author's life (or last surviving' author's life) + 70 years. * Works created but not published/copyrighted prior to 1/1/1978: Same as above, but no less than 25 years from date of publication if published prior to 12/31/2003. * Created and published/registered prior to that date: more complicated, but generally a total term of protection of 95 years if copyright renewed, and for some works it is no longer mandatory to apply for renewal to receive it. Ergo, all works published prior to 1910 are now in the public domain; some works published more recently will be in the public domain now if an expiring copyright was not renewed for those works originally published before 1964. This is a very simplified view, and not necessarily complete. For more information on the Byzantine and constantly changing US copyright situation, see http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html - (US Copyright office Circular 1) http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ15a.pdf - (duration of copyright) It's always a good idea to talk to a copyright holder/publisher before attempting to reprint a work. Ron Boerger ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Instrument Shaped Objects
Everyone who is in the business of making recommendations regarding student instruments should be aware that First Act, makers of some of the metal devices deemed instruments by places like Wal-Mart, has recently filed a libel lawsuit against Brook Mays Music for using the term "instrument shaped objects" to describe their product. Brook Mays sent this in an e-mail sent out to their customers. First Act filed suit in a Massachusetts court. The case will be tried in that court because a relative handful of e-mail recipients also live in MA. Brook Mays is a relatively large chain of traditional music stores headquarted in Texas, and should be able to afford the legal representation necessary to defend themselves. Thanks to First Act, you can bet the costs will be passed on to Brook Mays customers. I pass this on merely as a warning to all concerned. Ron Boerger ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] New Director of Music at SMU
According to a story in today's Dallas Morning News, Nancy Cochran, former president of the IHS, has been named director of the division of music at Southern Methodist University, effective August 1. Congratulations! Ron Boerger = --- Ron Boerger South Region Correspondent, D3football.com Contributing Editor, The Horn Call ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 16, Issue 6
> [...] > > To support this, consider this example. A local community band is > conducted by a well known musician in our area, and is really a fine > example of amateur musicianship. EXCEPT, the conductor absolutely > insists that this band travel INTERNATIONALLY in order to improve its > musicianship. C'mon. Honestly. It's a COMMUNITY band, not the NY > Philharmonic, for goodness' sake. Proportion, people. Let's have > some sense of proportion. > Whoa, Dave. You've veered totally onto another topic, and I'm not sure why. Community band = volunteer organization, last time I checked. I submit to you that if it did not have a substantial number of members who shared the goal you attribute to the director, that it would not continue to exist for very long. And different community bands have different goals. There are some which are just "let's get together and have fun," and there are some which are "let's get together and make the best music we can, given our inherent limitations." There is nothing wrong with either, and people will usually find another group (or create one) if the one they're in doesn't meet their needs. Ron Boerger, PS - who has travelled internationally twice now with a community band, but only to have fun - no delusions of being the NY Phil. = --- Ron Boerger South Region Correspondent, D3football.com Contributing Editor, The Horn Call ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: F or Bb single??
> from: "Joe Duke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The 'comments' made in a description of an instrument which is offered for > sale is surely subjective. > > I do not concur with the views of the seller that a single Bb instrument > would be more difficult for a beginner to use, and learn on, than would > be an F single. > > Any student who wants to learn the horn will find his way, from whichever > beginning point he is shown, in my opinion. > > And if he listens to any music recordings of artists he will also soon be > trying to sound like the recordings he hears. > > For many middle school starting players, the lighter-weight single Bb may > be a help for them, until they grow in size and strength. > > I would not presume to tell some teacher or parent who wants a horn for a > young student which would be 'best'!! > Joe, While you make good points, I do beg to differ, at least for young students in the US. Here's why: Young students, by and large, are taught their instruments by middle school band directors who utilize method books. There is little one-on-one instruction; it's en masse. These method books teach horn in F. In addition, many middle school directors are fairly new to the profession, and don't know much about horn in the first place. That's not always the case, but a first job for a BD is generally going to be either as a middle school director, or assistant if the middle school is lucky enough to have one. So a well-meaning parent goes and buys a B-flat horn. The kid shows up and gets an F horn fingering chart. Some beginning method books don't have a B-flat chart. And sometimes, even when the book does have the fingerings, nobody realizes the kid's on a B-flat horn. So the kid goes and has an incredibly bad experience until someone realizes what is going on. Sometime this takes days, sometimes it takes weeks. Sometimes the poor kid just gets so frustrated that s/he gives up. So, if the teachers know what they are doing (WRT horn), and have a supportive environment, I would have no problem recommending a B-flat horn for a beginner. That is almost impossible to determine in a general case, so if someone asks me "what would be a good single horn for a beginner," I'm going to answer "a horn in F." That's going to work in almost any environment, something you simply can't say for a B-flat horn. Have a very motivated student that is going to study privately, in a good school system, etc. etc., a B-flat will work. Generally speaking, though, I can't in good faith recommend a B-flat for a US beginner. There are too many situations where a young student will fail, or at a minimum suffer, because of the lack of knowledge of the instrument in the school system. = --- Ron Boerger South Region Correspondent, D3football.com Contributing Editor, The Horn Call ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: NHR threads
> Is it not possible to have individual > e-mail filters separate out anything that > has a subject line containing > "NHR" and either label it as spam, or delete it? Not if you read the digest, where one is forced to daily wade through the NHR detritus. Following this logic, it would be perfectly OK to discuss ANYTHING one wanted at any time just by sticking NHR on the subject line. Why bother to have a horn-specific list at all ? Ron ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: A question for the list
> From: "dumusic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Hornlist] A question for the list > > I need some input about a situation that has developed in our community > concert band. > > We are experiencing a period of significant growth, adding almost one > player > per week. Currently we have 50 musicians, five of them playing horn. Our > regular horn section has been four players for some time. > [...] Well, first let me say that I'm disappointed this question didn't come up on the community-music* list ... ;-) But you have a larger issue here. If you are adding "almost one player per week," then you may have issues in all of your sections, not just in the horn section. You need a policy (preferably in writing) that will apply to all sections, because you *are* going to have to deal with it, and applying policy inconsistently WILL cause problems. When do you stop allowing people to walk in and play, for example? 8 horns? 12? 16?At some point, you may have people turn away because there are already "too many" of one instrument, but do you and your board really WANT 12 horns? Don't laugh; the group my wife and I play has had as many as 13 ... and that's a mess. I've played in a number of community bands (decent ones) where there have been lots of horn players, and the section leader usually makes part assignments without consultation with the music director. The better players generally bubble up to the top, but I've been in groups that have been fortunate enough to have really good players on all parts, paired with weaker players. Mature musicians will generally realize over time that, if there's someone better than them in the section, the better person should be playing the more difficult parts.A nudge from the section leader or music director may help. But my personal thought is that, as a community group, the new musician needs to show some dedication to the organization before being elevated to the top part. Otherwise you end up with a group full of fine musicians who may want to do nothing besides play, because your long-timers (who do all the "scut work" now) may take offense at being shoved aside the first time someone better comes along, and leave. And then guess who is stuck holding the bag? Finally, with five or more horns you are going to always have some doubling. That is painful for some of us, so if parts are rotated somewhat through the concert it will let everyone play their "own" part at some point. In a community group, rotating parts (within reason) is one way to help maintain and develop musicians' skill levels. Ron Boerger * - "Community-music" is a 900-member list devoted to community band and orchestra topics. See http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/community-music for more. And we NEVER talk about politics ... :-) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
