[Hornlist] Conn 10 and 11D's
To all interested in these findings While I was working in Boston at Rayburn Music, I experimented heavily with and personally played the Conn 11d. What I found, similar to what Bob Osmun has said, is that the components are very good but the build had some problems. I expect they still have some of the problems that I encountered when I was customizing these horns. What I found was that the levers were uncomfortable for most players. I looked into options with Conn but that ended quickly, so I quickly looked at the specs and found it wasn't too hard to transplant a 667 lever set directly to the Conn (10 or 11D). I find that with these horns the lacquer is too thick and restricting and we sold all or our modified horns without lacquer. A few exceptions were to those who had a metal allergy. I found metal shavings in the valve cans. Poor if not incomplete soldering joints. Dents in the f branch from lapping the 2nd valve slides. 1st slide B horn when pulled out completely would be stopped by the f branch. I can go on... What I found that worked best for projection and response is to drop the braces between the bell tail and lead pipe and solid solder it directly to the bell tail. I highly recommend a Ron Pinc Lead pipe. This horn can play to a very high level given some attention. But one reason for my departure from this project was due to the fact that I could not make further improvements without changing the valves completely. So here I am in Germany. The 10d is very good as well but keep this in mind Conn uses the same bell ring for their 10 and 11D horns. The 10D is a significantly smaller flare and this requires much less cutting of the inside of the ring. When you get a chance, run your hands around the top of the ring of the 10D, then the 11D. You can feel and see the extra mass on the 10D. This prevents the 10D from responding as well as it could and dampens the carrying power of that model significantly. No ring or a smaller outer diameter is needed. Good luck and if you have any other questions, let me know. Sincerely, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] tips again
Herr Pizka, I tried to have a look at the Beethoven, but nothing would correctly upload. Is all in order with the link? Sincerely, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Hans Pizka Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 13:50 An: 'The Horn List' Betreff: RE: [Hornlist] tips again Hello Liz, are you sure, you are asking about Beethoven Sonata op.17 ? There is no chromatic scale as you described. And the highest note to play is the g2 (on top of the upper line of the staff - treble clef !). Are you speaking concert or played on the horn or just notated (written) ? And, dear Liz, how come you will play first horn for Sorcerer for the Planets, if you have difficulties with a chromatic scale, which anyway does not exist in this piece ? If you describe a thing you are asking for help, you must describe it exactly. Ooops, yes, it is, as I assumed. You have difficulties ending the trill together with the piano, right ? This is after the long chromatic run of the piano from c in the left hand up to the trill, passing 6 groups of 1/16th sixtuplets. Have a look in the piano score to find that the trill of the piano ends with an abschlag ( two sixteenth or thirty seconds with the first note just one step below the main trill note the second little note the same as the main trill note : sample: trill a - bnat. ending with g - a Before entering in the down beat g, perhaps. These abschlag notes are usually written like grace notes but with out the strike-through. How to meet there ? Well, the piano needs a bit more time for this very rapid chromatic scale. So leave some more time for the pianist by stretching the measure (it is at the end of the last movement), then trill the next full measure, listening to the pianist very carefully exchanging a look each other to place the abschlag notes the same time together, perhaps by attacking them separately. Moral for you: if you ask somebody for help (and it is more pleasure to offer help than to receive help), think twice before asking. Perhaps, note down things before typing it in the mail. Ask exactly by pointing to exact piece names, mouvements, measures. Express your question clearly using our horn wise notation. This will result in easier faster response to your questions. Good luck ! PS: You can find the first print of that Sonata on my Web Site - full text. It is a PDF file of 2,3 MB, so it might take a while until you will see the pictures. www.pizka.de === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Kane Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] tips hi! im Liz Im a high school freshman hornist, im not too bad or at least i dont think i am, but i'd like some tips on prepareing an audition pieceIm going for Northeast Districts in MA. as a freahman you can try out but you arnt likely to make it considering that its open to all of the rest of high school age studentsThe piece is Sonata in F major opus 17 by Beethoven, and, my biggest difficulty, the chromatic scale goes from the c in the middle of the bass clef to the a above the treble clef. any comments would be welcome, im also trying to learn some pieces for an orchestra that i play with such as the sorcerers apprentice, and the planets where i am first hornkinda by defaultthanx -Liz _ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/s.bacon%40duerkhorns.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Question about tone produced from different alloys.
Dear Diana, I hope that this quick response finds you well in Florida. I have assembled a few things for you to think about. Keep in mind that many people have differences of opinion when it comes to this subject, but I hope to provide you with somewhat of a standard as to the differences materials offer players. First and foremost, when thinking about material, we must compare apples to apples. What I mean is that if you compare a nickel silver instrument with a large throat bell to a yellow brass instrument with a more narrow throat bell we have no constant for our evaluation. So for the purposes of this exercise let's compare 3 Conn 8D horns to one another. With each instrument having the same sized bell, a more clear understanding of material effects can be noted. Bright to Dark is in this order: Nickel Silver, Yellow Brass, Gold Brass (also known as Red or Rose) Typically nickel silver is used on large bell horns because of it's bright characteristics. It tends to clean up the thick dark tone the large bell throat of an 8D is known for. The extra brightness helps the sound carry, and also picks up on microphones in the studio very well. Yellow brass offers a darker sound than nickel silver but the sound tends to be a bit more compact and muddy when you play. Yellow brass for this reason is normally used on horns with a slightly smaller bell throat which naturally brightens the sound and helps it carry to the back of the hall. Gold Brass is like yellow brass but with more copper in the alloy. This material is very interesting. It offers a dark rich sound in medium to low dynamics but at the compromise of a slightly slower response. At louder dynamics this material can easily get away from you and sound very edgy and bright. Nasty and untamed. Many professional players enjoy gold brass but may choose yellow brass instead because of this inconsistent, volatile nature. Also, many say that gold brass is brighter than yellow brass. This is a common misconception through a lack of seeing the whole picture. But with all that said, it can certainly be a lot of fun to play. Keep in mind that horn players all have their own ideas of sound in respects to equipment, I offer you these characteristics to open your mind to the possibilities each material offers and to take that information with you when you choose to play test them. Please don't forget the importance of comparing apples to apples. An apple is an apple, but they come in different colors and tastes. Good luck and best wishes, PS. If you do speak with M. Stebelton, please send her my regards... Sincerely, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Diana Li Lambert Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 21:06 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Hornlist] Question about tone produced from different alloys. Hi everyone, This is the first time posting to this list, but I hope you guys can help me out. I've never owned my own horn, always borrowed, and I just had to give my horn back to it's owner. I'd like to buy my own very soon and have seen some conflicting information about the tone produced from different metals. I've read that the warmth of the tone increases in this order: yellow brass, rose brass, nickel silver. I've played on brass and nickel and I must say that the tone seemed to be whatever I made of it, but if I'm going to finally buy a horn I want to make sure and get one that fits best. Has anyone noticed striking differences between these metals? Thanks Diana Li Lambert Department of Oceanography Florida State University Tallahassee, FL 32306-4320 (850) 644-2599 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/s.bacon%40duerkhorns.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Request
Fred, Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is a brass salesman and has many contacts with Japanese customers and dealers. His full name is Hiroake Tokushige. Good luck. Sincerely, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Fred Baucom Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. September 2003 07:29 An: The Horn List Betreff: [Hornlist] Request About a month ago, a lister asked for information about selling a horn in Japan, and someone else provided either a shop name or the name of an individual. I had saved this information, as I anticipate that I may have need of it in the near future, but have now lost it due to MS operating system problems. Would the person who provided the name of this Japanese contact please send me a note? Thank you in advance, very much. Fred ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/s.bacon%40duerkhorns.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner
Paul, Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is a brass salesman and has many contacts with Japanese customers and dealers. Good luck. Sincerely, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Paul S. LaFollette Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. August 2003 15:26 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner Hey All, Who would you suggest I contact to make the horn's availability known out of the USA? Thanks, Paul LaFollette Toru Ikeno wrote: Greetings from Japan, Drive the Delorian and visit Japan in early 1990s. http://www.bttfmovie.com/ Japanese Yen was very strong to US dollar and nobody knows the internet. I'm sure you can sell your horn for $8000.00 Toru Ikeno ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paullaf%40bellatlantic.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/s.bacon%40duerkhorns.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Horn Mouthpiece stuff
I was wondering if anyone knew of a Screw-Rim, heavy weight version of the Yamaha 30C4 mouthpiece. Contact me if you have any information, since I found that this mpc works best on my horn.-Germania. Germania, I am quite sure that Tom Greer at Moosewood Hornists Requisites has the answer for you. He can make a Mega Moose to your specification. I highly recommend going the extra mile for his Cartouche version with a C backbore. He can make it in raw brass (the underpart) silver , or gold plating. Go to http://www.hornmouthpiece.com/ for more useful information. Incidentally, if you visit our website and view the Dromersheim tour, you will see a beautiful picture of the Germania monument standing on the hill above Rudesheim. Good luck!! Sincerely, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rednecks...in Germany!
It was quite a show, beer, rednecks, and French Horn duets under the Live Oak Tree behind the bar. I pride myself as having a bit of redneck in my blood. When I moved to Germany, many things came to me as a surprise. One of the biggest suprises I found was that there are true blooded rednecks in Germany. This past week was extremely hot. 45° c in the sun. So after working on some horns, and calling it a day, we had a few beers, listened to Bruckner 9, and decided it was just a little too hot to do anything. But we chose to make our own outdoor whirlpool. We used a neighbors big plastic grape storage bin. In this region of Germany you have a plethora of German Redneck Winemakers to borrow tractors, tools, big plastic grape storage bins Etc. Well anyway in a slow and easy going manner, we borrowed the tractor and rode through town drinkin our beers in the wagon while holdin on to the big plastic grape storage bin... Where I live in town happens to be owned by a famous schnapps maker. (anyone out there heard of Williams Schnapps?) ... anyway he always has this big white water tank nearly full and the problem is always where to get rid of the water So we filled this big plastic grape storage bin with water, drank a beer, put on the rest of Bruckner 9, and had a sit down in the big plastic grape storage bin. Not long into the 2nd movement, our buddy came up with the idea to snag this whirlpool bath thing from his mother-in-law. He snagged this whirlpool bath thing and put it in the big plastic grape storage bin. Within minutes we had an outdoor whirlpool with a shade umbrella decorated with xmas lights, Bruckner 9 finishing up his ideas, beer, bikinis, and a real hoot of a party. And yes all who went in the big plastic grape storage bin came out smelling like grapes!! I think that one thing that makes a redneck is their unique ability to create great things with nothing. In the city, we go out and subscribe to a gym, or pay for pool time, or buy the expensive whirlpool. Not a redneck. We'd rather spend our money on beer, gas, four wheelers.So to all rednecks out there, know that you can easily find a home in Germany!! (try explaining to a German Redneck what Redneck means in English) (how would you define it?) (keep in mind you are trying to define a way of life, or idea that they have themselves..) In the heat of summer, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
