[Hornlist] metronome
Hello list, I haven't bought a metronome in years, and now I need a new one. There seems to be many on the market these days with a wide price range. Can anyone recommend a good metronome (doesn't have to have tuning capabilities) for under $100? Thanks! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] (no subject)
Can anyone suggest a reading list of books that deal specifically with 'how' to approach practicing the horn, not 'what' to practice? I'm not looking for method books and routines, but something that deals with learning how to practice. I know that Mr. Farkas deals with this topic briefly in his book, The Art of French Horn Playing, but I was hoping for some other published literature. Thank you, Joe ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell documentary
There are several parts. Here is the first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSOzrP0FSJ8feature=related ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Ion Balu stopped mute
Has anyone had any real-world experience with the new Balu stopped mute? I'm curious to know if the projection and control over tone colors are as promised.nbsp; $200 is a lot to drop on a stopped mute, but worth it if the mute performs as advertised. --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Christian Wilhjelm lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Christian Wilhjelm lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments To: 'The Horn List' lt;horn@music.memphis.edugt; Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 12:08 PM Sandra, I was stuck with a few of these several years ago, Though they carry the Getzen name on the bell - you may notice the name Willson stamped on the side. These are essentially F (or e flat if you have the extensions) cornets (by whatever name). and ... they don't have to be terrible. The thing that helped us was forgetting the horn mouthpieces and adapters - the horns were never close to in tune with these. I had some success with E flat horn mouthpieces for the horn players and better yet deep cup cornet mouthpieces. I began to enjoy the horns - they were light - cut through the band without forcing and in the hands of decent players sounded pretty good. I like the the b flat king/conn horns better. Best Chris Wilhjelm gt;gt;gt; Sandra Clark lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; 06/09/08 2:56 PM gt;gt;gt; If it's long and thin - it's most likely the Getzen hybrid between trumpet and horn. Unfortunately, the only part of it inspired by the horn seemed to be the mouthpiece receiver size. You might want to try a King Marching F horn - or perhaps even their Bb model. I've heard good things about those. Kanstul (another marching horns manufacturer) makes one with a swept lead pipe - so your bell can be high without screwing up your embouchure! Good luck - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:44 PM To: Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments Hello again. I am a member of a community band in northern New Jersey (for those of you in the area, it is the Palisades Park Fire Department Band), which does many parades. Last year when I joined, I was the only marching hornist. Since I was new to the music and I cannot affix a lyre to my horn, I had a choice of two interesting instruments to play (both pitched in the key of F). I did not like the first one that I played. The only way I can describe it is as a flumpet, a sort of large trumpet pitched in F. It had horrible intonation, going sharp as I moved up the register. The second instrument I greatly enjoy, it is a Conn 16E Mellophonium. The intonation is much better, and the tone (though closer to a trumpet) is almost sort of like a horn's. My question is this: does anyone know what the first instrument was? I would attach a link for pictures but I did not get any. Thank you very much. -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sclark05%40bex.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cwilhjelm%40pascack.k12.nj.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] MB6, MB7 and MB8
Does anyone know the differences between the MB6, MB7 and MB8? Which MB case is the best for the new carry-on restrictions? I'm trying to decide on a case, and while www.mbcases.com has descriptions for each model, some of the descriptions are surprisingly similar.nbsp; There doesn't seem to be any information on how they differ. Thanks --- On Tue, 4/15/08, Douglas Lundeen lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Douglas Lundeen lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [Hornlist] Changing tone color To: horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2008, 1:46 PM I was really glad to hear Hans comment on changing tone color. It IS extremely rare in modern wind playing in general and brass playing in particular to hear people talk of changing colors. There are (fewer now than formerly) different tone-colors out there, but each school seems to be aiming for one basic sound. String players (especially chamber musicians) think a lot about color and changing it, and can see with there eyes how changing the distance from the bridge changes the tone color, etc., etc. By changing the mouthspace (vowel), and the air/volume/speed/pressure recipe for a given note, horn tone can also be extremely flexible, and should be changed to suit the composer/work in question, i.e. Bruckner WAY different than Rossini:) Sort of stacking the deck there, but also there is a lot of musical value to changing color within a phrase or even on a long note the way a fine singer would. Think of all of the different vowel shadings there are in vocalization; and while on the topic, why shouldn't we horn players make the full palette of consonants, voiced and unvoiced, an integral part of our articulation? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: for no one
Here is the Wikipedia.org entry on For No One. I don't know how accurate it is. Some of it sounds like it might be legend: McCartney recalls writing For No One in the bathroom of a ski resort in the Swiss Alps.[2] He said, I suspect it was about another argument.[3] The song's working title was Why Did It Die.[4] The song was recorded on May 9, 16 and 19, 1966. McCartney sang, played clavichord (rented from George Martin's AIR company), piano, and bass, while Ringo Starr played drums and tambourine. Lennon and George Harrison did not contribute to the recording.[5] The French-horn solo was by Alan Civil, a British horn player.[5] Prior to the session, Civil thought he was playing for a classical album, mistaking the words For No One on a lead sheet as For No. One, an abbreviation for Symphony Number One.[citation needed] During the session, McCartney pushed Civil to play a note that was beyond the usual range of the instrument (pitched on an F horn, it is a Super-D sharp, that is, an octave above the standard 'high D#'). The result was the performance of his life, high praise for someone who was known as the best French horn player in London at the time.[6] Martin Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... not sure where Mr. Rees found his information, but I spoke with Alan Civil about this recording many years ago when he gave a concert in my hometown of the Brahms Trio. He told me the solo went up to a D above high C, and he played it on an Alex descant horn (Bb/high F) in one take. Civil, who was principal horn of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra at the time had been hired by George Martin, and it was Martin himself who wrote out the part as Paul could neither write nor read music. Incidentally, John and George did not participate when the Paul recorded this tune on 09 May, 1966; the horn part was added later (on the 19 May that same year) using an overdub with George Martin at the console.* You can see a studio take of a more recent version of this tune in the film Give my regards to Broadstreet -- I believe it's Jeff Bryant playing the obligato horn part, and he clearly goes up to a high D (watch his fingering using his Paxman descant Bb/high F) and does a great job of it. Hope this clears up some of the confusion, martin bender *recording information derived from Ultimate Beatles Encyclopaedia, The; Harry, Bill; 1st published in Great Britain in 1992 by Virgin Books; pg. 248-- see entry entitled For No One On 1-Jun-08, at 8:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jasper Rees in his recent book I Found My Horn discusses this Beatles tune, and Alan Civil (who recorded the horn part). It apparently goes up to high E. However the tape was sped up when making the transfer to disk, which makes it sound like high F. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Recent updates to hornplayer.net (19th May 2008)
I am selling this horn because i have outgrown it. If i could keep this horn i would love to but i want to keep improving my playing ability and need a different horn. I am sad to see it go because it is a horn that i have really bonded with. Wow, this guy must have grown quite a bit to have outgrown a horn that was good enough to be used in the NY Phil for over 25 years. What is this guy smoking? John Burch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this advert most interesting as there are quite a few facts wrong. First, it's stated that it was played in the NY Phil for 25 years. I don't know that any of the NY Phil played Holtons (not that they didn't, I'm just not aware - I could be WAY wrong.) My understanding has always been that the NY Phil was a Conn shop until Phil Meyers started the switch to Engelbert Schmidt. Also the description states the Horn dates to the 1950s. That's highly unlikely as the Holton Horns before Farkas were absolute junk that no pro would be caught dead with. It also states the 105 is no longer being made. It's in the current Holton/LeBlanc/Selmer/Conn catalog for all to see. And a minor note, it says the replacement bell is solid nickel. That's nonsense. It must be Nickel Silver, which is still mostly brass. The story makes a big deal of how big the throat is. Maybe it's a bell from a Holton 188 which is an even bigger throat than an 8D which is bigger than a Holton 179/180. Also, the Holton 105 hasn't been made for 25 years. I tried the prototype of the 104 (its predecessor) in 1993. The 104 preceded the 105 by quite a few years. Correct. In the 1980s, only the Farkas models were in production. Then came the Tuckwell 104 which was replaced by the 105 when Tuckwell and Holton parted ways. I can look up the dates if anybody cares to know. In any case, the price is good for a 105, but it looks a bit like a Franken-horn. It's a shame there's no chance for trial...only buy with a check and returns only for damage. [Photo] Holton 105 - Full Double - 2500 US $ http://www.hornplayer.net/advert.asp?id=7739 It's not a 105 and thus the price is not good. The picture is obviously a Farkas model. The third valve Bb slide is a closed wrap like all Farkas models. The 104 and 105 have an open wrap slide. The tubing exiting the valve cluster leaves the third valve housing in a straight line as with all Farkas models. The 104/105 tubing leaves at an angle just like on a Conn 8D. And the 104/105 have a small Holton medallion on the cross brace of the water slide. The Farkas models have a plain, straight rod brace which is clearly visible in the picture. Either this seller has been very seriously misled by others, or . . . -- John Burch West burbs of Chicago 630/833-4299 The surest sign that intelligent life exists in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. Calvin of Calvin Hobbes I'm sure the universe is full of intelligent life. It's just been too intelligent to come here. Arthur C. Clarke 1996 Arthur C. Clarke on UFOs They tell us absolutely nothing about intelligence elsewhere in the universe, but they do prove how rare it is on Earth. -- -- John Burch West burbs of Chicago 630/833-4299 The surest sign that intelligent life exists in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. Calvin of Calvin Hobbes I'm sure the universe is full of intelligent life. It's just been too intelligent to come here. Arthur C. Clarke 1996 Arthur C. Clarke on UFOs They tell us absolutely nothing about intelligence elsewhere in the universe, but they do prove how rare it is on Earth. -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] pandora
i just learned of this site that provides free internet streaming audio, and uses the technology called the Music Genome Project, a program that supposedly analysis musical content and can predict and suggest similar music for the listener. This is worth checking out http://pandora.com/ info on the Music Genome Project: http://www.pandora.com/mgp.shtml Happy Listening! - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] great video, Hans
I especially enjoyed the joke about vibrato. Bravo! http://www.youtube.com/user/hornchannel Douglas Lundeen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really glad to hear Hans comment on changing tone color. It IS extremely rare in modern wind playing in general and brass playing in particular to hear people talk of changing colors. There are (fewer now than formerly) different tone-colors out there, but each school seems to be aiming for one basic sound. String players (especially chamber musicians) think a lot about color and changing it, and can see with there eyes how changing the distance from the bridge changes the tone color, etc., etc. By changing the mouthspace (vowel), and the air/volume/speed/pressure recipe for a given note, horn tone can also be extremely flexible, and should be changed to suit the composer/work in question, i.e. Bruckner WAY different than Rossini:) Sort of stacking the deck there, but also there is a lot of musical value to changing color within a phrase or even on a long note the way a fine singer would. Think of all of the different vowel shadings there are in vocalization; and while on the topic, why shouldn't we horn players make the full palette of consonants, voiced and unvoiced, an integral part of our articulation? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com between -00-00 and -99-99 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Brahms Trio...mit euphonium??????
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[Hornlist] historical instruments
I though someone on the list might be interested in this: http://www.orpheemusic.com/en/catalogue/brass/horn.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] lacquer
I'm sure this subject has probably come up numerous times on this list, but I am fairly new and I am clueless here. I have a yellow brass horn (gold brass leadpipe) with no lacquer and frankly I'm tired of cleaning it (and my hands) so often. I've heard that having a horn lacquered can alter it's playing characteristics. Have there been any studies done on this? What can I expect will change? Lastly, how much would this cost to have done and can anyone recommend where to have it done? Thanks, Joe - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Zaja Lubes
Has anyone had any experience with Zaja products, including Zaja Lubes and Zaja Chops? How do they perform? I've been to their website, but I couldn't determine if they were all natural or synthetic. - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] the matchstick trick and the acousticoil
Speaking of the matchstick trick...I had a chance to try the 'acousticoil' several years back, and I have to admit it did seem to help center the notes and make some partials more secure. Any thoughts on this product? - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: pitch, temperament and intonation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/19/07 3:04:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but it is easier to get away with bad pitch in an atonal situation. OK, this a gross generalization, but in the sense of players coming up now playing more atonal music with tempered pitch, the sensitivity to tonal intonation has suffered. I couldn't disagree more. If the sine waves don't line up, it is out of tune. Period. There is no such thing as 'tonal' or 'atonal' intonation. Equal Temperament is only a compromise so that a fixed pitch instrument can play equally out of tune with itself. This was invented so that it can be played in all keys with equal intonation issues. In fact, it is thought that the reasons that early keyboard composers developed the qualities we now identify in sonata form, (i.e. returning to the tonic key where developed musical ideas are presented once again), is because earlier tuning systems for fixed pitched instruments got progressively out of tune the further you strayed from the home key. The resolution was that much more effective when bringing the melodic and harmonically developed ideas back to the home key. I digress. Out of tune is out of tune, and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a piece is tonal or atonal. Let's be clear on the definition of atonal. Just to clarify, atonal does not refer to a piece merely because of a dominance of dissonance. The term 'atonal' merely refers to a work that has no identifiable pitch center (such as a tonic or dominant key). Furthermore, our western diatonic scale was derived from the natural occurrence of the harmonic series, which as you know occurs in pure, or 'just' form, with no temperament. 'Dissonance' is not a synonym for 'out of tune.' Dissonant intervals, when played justly in tune, produce the same spectrum of resultant tones that you find when playing consonant intervals. Much of John Harbison's music for wind instruments just wouldn't work if the intervals were played out of tune or in equal temperament. In fact, it would completely miss the point. No, I think the insensitivity of the modern western ear to 'just' or 'pure' intonation has everything to do with the dominance of modern fixed pitch instruments (including fretted stringed instruments) and nothing to do with a lack of tonality or excess of dissonance. Furthermore, the timbre of these instruments seems to hide or make these imperfections of tuning less evident. Try listening to a brass quintet playing a Bach chorale using equal temperament. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard. Listen to the same chorale on a keyboard instrument, not so bad. peace. - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
If a tree falls on an 8D in the forest, do all the people complaining about those wasting time asking questions on how to repair it make a sound? Herbert Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: How is duct tape like the Force: Answer: They both have a dark side and a light side, and both hold the universe together. Use the Duct Tape, Luke! Herb Foster --- Carlisle Landel wrote: ... Finally, remember Duct Tape, which is of course the major force holding the universe together! ;-) (With apologies to non-US readers who perhaps don't know of this miracle substance, or know it by another name.) Carlisle __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days?
dat's da problem..too much thought. Ahhthe nebulous concept of the 8D 'core'... Dennis Herrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a tree falls on an 8D in the forest, and no horn jocks are around to hear it, does it's sound have more 'core' than a Geyer? This is way to ambiguous for me Do you mean more core than a Geyer falling on an 8D or than a tree falling on a Geyer? And does it have to be a real Geyer or just a Geyer wrap? And not being a Geyer expert, are there brass Geyers and silver Geyers? Does that matter? I would think so if we're talking about 'core'!!! Could it be a Geyer single horn (are there any?) or a Geyer descant (are there any?). I KNOW what an 8D is, but just saying Geyer brings up too many choices for me ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days?
If horn jocks would spend less time talking incessantly about how they shoulda/woulda/coulda sound, and more time listening and playing, maybe they would become something greater than a horn jock-- maybe even develop the ability to transcend the limitations of their musical voice (in this case, the horn) and change from a horn jock into a musician. Dennis Herrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a tree falls on an 8D in the forest, and no horn jocks are around to hear it, does it's sound have more 'core' than a Geyer? This is way to ambiguous for me Do you mean more core than a Geyer falling on an 8D or than a tree falling on a Geyer? And does it have to be a real Geyer or just a Geyer wrap? And not being a Geyer expert, are there brass Geyers and silver Geyers? Does that matter? I would think so if we're talking about 'core'!!! Could it be a Geyer single horn (are there any?) or a Geyer descant (are there any?). I KNOW what an 8D is, but just saying Geyer brings up too many choices for me ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
