[Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-22 Thread Ray & Sonja Crenshaw
>> what mouthpiece comes with the conn 8d?  for Paul.

> Seems it was a 7something with a couple of letters in there someplace.


I played on a new one in high school, owned by the local college. The horn is 
long gone,
and so am I. The school bought Holtons thereafter, and it was the only Conn 
they've
ever had. Last week, standing in the office of the new assistant professor of 
music 
there, I noticed he had a shelf with a large collection of mouthpieces. I asked 
about
this, and he replied:

"They came with the office. The guy I replaced said they went with the 
college's 
instruments."

The reason I asked? There on the shelf was something I hadn't seen in 31 
years... a
gold-plated Conn 7BW mouthpiece. It was the very one I'd played on back then. 
Still 
had the scratch I put on the rim when I fumble-fingered it into the receiver.

I must say, it's weathered the years better than I.

jrc in SC
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-21 Thread Jerryold99
 
In a message dated 12/21/2004 3:43:41 PM Central Standard Time,  
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I don't  know.  Twenty five years or so ago was the last time I saw a 
new 8D,  and schools were buying lots of them.  All of them had a shiny  
gold-looking mpce.   It was too small for the horn, but probably  made 
the kids sound better at first.  I changed lots of kids to this  Geyer 
copy and they all took off like gangbusters.  Seems it was a  7something 
with a couple of letters in there someplace.

Paul  Mansur




Hi PAUL,
 
I believe the Conn 7BW comes with the new 8Ds.
 
Hope you and yours are well and happy this holiday 
season.
 
Best Regards,Jerry in Kansas  City
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RE: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-21 Thread Billbamberg
You should be able to find mouthpieces to try in the local area.  Along with 
the MDC, add to your list the Bach 3 and Schilke 31B, (and possibly the Schilke 
31C4).  These are all very acceptable unless you have a problem to correct, or 
are playing more than three or four hours a day.  They are considered pretty 
generic, and if you describe any problems you might have using one of them to a 
custom maker, he will have a good reference to make meaningful corrections.
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-21 Thread Alan Cole
Betcha it was Conn "Constellation" 7B-W -- basically a fancypants 
gold-plated version of the trusty old Conn 2.  5B-W was a tad larger.  The 
Conn folks described 3B-W as "full symphonic bore."

From smaller to larger, I think the series went 9, 7, 5, 3 -- no 10 or 11, 
no 2 or 1.

I played on 5B-W for years & years, until switching to Lawson just a few 
years ago.  I never got hold of a 3B-W to try.  Once or twice on eBay I've 
seen a 3B-N -- similar to 3B-W, I take it, except with narrower rim.  7B-Ws 
show up on eBay frequently & occasionally there will be an eBay 5B-W.

-- Alan Cole, rank amateur
   McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.
 
Seems it was a 7something with a couple of letters in there someplace.
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-21 Thread Paul Mansur
I don't know.  Twenty five years or so ago was the last time I saw a 
new 8D, and schools were buying lots of them.  All of them had a shiny 
gold-looking mpce.   It was too small for the horn, but probably made 
the kids sound better at first.  I changed lots of kids to this Geyer 
copy and they all took off like gangbusters.  Seems it was a 7something 
with a couple of letters in there someplace.

Paul Mansur
On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 11:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what mouthpiece comes with the conn 8d?  for Paul.
Ron
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RE: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-21 Thread Richard Smith
As a long time 8d player, I have never used the stock mouthpiece. It is not
very good in my opinion. It seems small and undistinguished. 

I have played Gardinelli Cs (mostly a #1), a Lawson s670 (drilled out a
little), Stork Meyers series (M1 & M4) and currently a Moosewood A8. I am
far more interested in how my horn and I respond to a mouthpiece than if
someone else (famous?) is using it and tend not to change often. I am
playing the Moosewood on the same Gardinelli Bloom rim I have used for about
30 years.

Richard Smith
R.G. Smith Music Engraving & Publishing
www.rgsmithmusic.com
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what mouthpiece comes with the conn 8d?  for Paul.

Ron
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-21 Thread MARKSUERON
what mouthpiece comes with the conn 8d?  for Paul.

Ron
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-20 Thread Paul Mansur
Yes.   The gold plated rim is not any particular advantage unless you  
are allergic to silver.  some folk are.  They are a little more  
slippery on the lip than silver.  I don't use a "wet" embouchure.   
Current prices are quite low from Giardinelli.com.

Paul Mansur
On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 02:06 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
Is this the mouthpiece you're talking about?
http://1800usaband.com/htmls/itementryview.asp?itementryid=6121
I'd be happy to give that one a try at some point in the future.  I  
tend, as
I mentioned, to a "flutie" sort of sound although that is gradually
diminishing as time goes by.

Question - do many of you who play with a wet embouchure prefer  
gold-plated
mouthpieces?  They're awfully expensive compared to the silver-plated
versions of the same thing.  Dillon offers many mouthpieces in either  
finish
- I wonder if they do the plating in-house...

-S-
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On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 10:27 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece or
is it OK for me at this early stage of my development?

Generally, a little larger mouthpiece will yield a little fatter tone
on a horn.  A small mouthpiece yield a bit too much "Flutiness", I'll
call it.  The Farkas MDC is nearer the original Farkas style
mouthpiece.  I do not care for the Conn mouthpiece that comes with an
8D.  It seems to me to be intended for weak student embouchures and
does not have the capacity to make the horn sound full and rich.
That's my two cents worth on the subject.  I use an old Geyer pattern
he made for me in 1948.  Now, after having that one stolen, I use
copies of that one rather than the original.
Paul Mansur
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-20 Thread LOTP
Dillon's sends mouthpieces out for plating.

Paul

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> I would guess that most people prefer gold plated rims with a wet
embouchure,
> but I actually very much prefer silver.  I have soft and luxurious lips
that
> when coupled with a gold rim gives me a playing surface so slick that I
can
> hardly set my embouchure.  I originally ordered my mouthpiece with a gold
rim
> and had the hardest time with it, so I exchanged for silver.
>
> Chris
> --- Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is this the mouthpiece you're talking about?
> >
> > http://1800usaband.com/htmls/itementryview.asp?itementryid=6121
> >
> > I'd be happy to give that one a try at some point in the future.  I
tend, as
> > I mentioned, to a "flutie" sort of sound although that is gradually
> > diminishing as time goes by.
> >
> > Question - do many of you who play with a wet embouchure prefer
gold-plated
> > mouthpieces?  They're awfully expensive compared to the silver-plated
> > versions of the same thing.  Dillon offers many mouthpieces in either
finish
> > - I wonder if they do the plating in-house...
> >
> > -S-
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From:
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> > du] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur
> > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:59 PM
> > To: The Horn List
> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult
beginner?
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 10:27 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece or
> > > is it OK for me at this early stage of my development?
> > >
> > >
> > Generally, a little larger mouthpiece will yield a little fatter tone
> > on a horn.  A small mouthpiece yield a bit too much "Flutiness", I'll
> > call it.  The Farkas MDC is nearer the original Farkas style
> > mouthpiece.  I do not care for the Conn mouthpiece that comes with an
> > 8D.  It seems to me to be intended for weak student embouchures and
> > does not have the capacity to make the horn sound full and rich.
> > That's my two cents worth on the subject.  I use an old Geyer pattern
> > he made for me in 1948.  Now, after having that one stolen, I use
> > copies of that one rather than the original.
> >
> > Paul Mansur
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RE: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-20 Thread Chris Tedesco
I would guess that most people prefer gold plated rims with a wet embouchure,
but I actually very much prefer silver.  I have soft and luxurious lips that
when coupled with a gold rim gives me a playing surface so slick that I can
hardly set my embouchure.  I originally ordered my mouthpiece with a gold rim
and had the hardest time with it, so I exchanged for silver.  

Chris
--- Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is this the mouthpiece you're talking about?
> 
> http://1800usaband.com/htmls/itementryview.asp?itementryid=6121
> 
> I'd be happy to give that one a try at some point in the future.  I tend, as
> I mentioned, to a "flutie" sort of sound although that is gradually
> diminishing as time goes by.
> 
> Question - do many of you who play with a wet embouchure prefer gold-plated
> mouthpieces?  They're awfully expensive compared to the silver-plated
> versions of the same thing.  Dillon offers many mouthpieces in either finish
> - I wonder if they do the plating in-house...
> 
> -S- 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> du] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:59 PM
> To: The Horn List
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?
> 
> 
> On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 10:27 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> 
> >
> > Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece or 
> > is it OK for me at this early stage of my development?
> >
> >
> Generally, a little larger mouthpiece will yield a little fatter tone 
> on a horn.  A small mouthpiece yield a bit too much "Flutiness", I'll 
> call it.  The Farkas MDC is nearer the original Farkas style 
> mouthpiece.  I do not care for the Conn mouthpiece that comes with an 
> 8D.  It seems to me to be intended for weak student embouchures and 
> does not have the capacity to make the horn sound full and rich.  
> That's my two cents worth on the subject.  I use an old Geyer pattern 
> he made for me in 1948.  Now, after having that one stolen, I use 
> copies of that one rather than the original.
> 
> Paul Mansur
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RE: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-20 Thread Steve Freides
Is this the mouthpiece you're talking about?

http://1800usaband.com/htmls/itementryview.asp?itementryid=6121

I'd be happy to give that one a try at some point in the future.  I tend, as
I mentioned, to a "flutie" sort of sound although that is gradually
diminishing as time goes by.

Question - do many of you who play with a wet embouchure prefer gold-plated
mouthpieces?  They're awfully expensive compared to the silver-plated
versions of the same thing.  Dillon offers many mouthpieces in either finish
- I wonder if they do the plating in-house...

-S- 

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On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 10:27 PM, Steve Freides wrote:

>
> Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece or 
> is it OK for me at this early stage of my development?
>
>
Generally, a little larger mouthpiece will yield a little fatter tone 
on a horn.  A small mouthpiece yield a bit too much "Flutiness", I'll 
call it.  The Farkas MDC is nearer the original Farkas style 
mouthpiece.  I do not care for the Conn mouthpiece that comes with an 
8D.  It seems to me to be intended for weak student embouchures and 
does not have the capacity to make the horn sound full and rich.  
That's my two cents worth on the subject.  I use an old Geyer pattern 
he made for me in 1948.  Now, after having that one stolen, I use 
copies of that one rather than the original.

Paul Mansur

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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-20 Thread Paul Mansur
On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 10:27 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece or 
is it
OK for me at this early stage of my development?


Generally, a little larger mouthpiece will yield a little fatter tone 
on a horn.  A small mouthpiece yield a bit too much "Flutiness", I'll 
call it.  The Farkas MDC is nearer the original Farkas style 
mouthpiece.  I do not care for the Conn mouthpiece that comes with an 
8D.  It seems to me to be intended for weak student embouchures and 
does not have the capacity to make the horn sound full and rich.  
That's my two cents worth on the subject.  I use an old Geyer pattern 
he made for me in 1948.  Now, after having that one stolen, I use 
copies of that one rather than the original.

Paul Mansur
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RE: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-19 Thread Steve Freides
Thank you very much, and thanks also to Jeremy and Patrick for their
responses.   I will continue using this mouthpiece with confidence.  Just
now, I found a good listing of mouthpieces on the Dillon web site under
accessories - the description of the Holton Farkas MC starts with the words
"no extreme features" which just confirms what everyone has said.

For anyone interested, the horn I'm using it in is a Conn 4D (a single horn
in F) from 1924 I picked up last week which I'm enjoying very much.

-S-

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I played on a Holton DC for about 20 years as a professional with my Paxman
Model 20.  I changed to a Lawson S660 with a P10G rim only recently. I used
a Holton MC for 10 years from the beginning stages through college.  I tried
a Bach 7, but could not play on it.  I found the H2 rim too thin and the
sound unfocused.  Oh yes, I forgot that I played a custom model Giardinelli
for a time in college.  I don't think there is really a progression from one
mouthpiece to another.  I usually have my students play a Holton DC from a
very early age.  As mouthpieces go, it is a conservative choice.
CORdially,
Luke Zyla, 2nd horn WV Symphony

Patrick Morgan wrote:

> I think it's a good beginner mpc. I played on one before moving to a 
> conn-2, and then eventually to a Bach7, then on to an H2. Next step is 
> an H2 with an M2 Moosewood rim. Anyone else like that progression?
>
>
> cheers
> Dave
>
>
>
> On 19 déc. 04, at 22:27, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> I found, in my son's case, a Holton Farkas Model MC mouthpiece.  (I 
>> think we bought it used when we bought his horn from Dillon Music 
>> this
>> summer.)  He's
>> tried it once or twice and doesn't like it, but it makes my tone much 
>> better.  It does not, however, extend my pitiful high range any 
>> higher.  I tend towards a woodwind-like tone in my playing - with the 
>> Holton mouthpiece, it sounds more like a horn ought to.
>>
>> After reading here more than once about beginner best avoiding 
>> experimenting with mouthpieces, I'm a little leary of using this one 
>> instead of the UMI 7BW (copy of Conn 7BW, I believe) I've been 
>> playing.
>>
>> Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece 
>> or is it OK for me at this early stage of my development?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -S-
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-19 Thread Patrick Morgan
whoa! WV Symphony! I'm from there! I've played with you guys on two 
occassions-

*NEAT!*
Dave

On 19 déc. 04, at 23:23, Luke Zyla wrote:
I played on a Holton DC for about 20 years as a professional with my 
Paxman Model 20.  I changed to a Lawson S660 with a P10G rim only 
recently. I used a Holton MC for 10 years from the beginning stages 
through college.  I tried a Bach 7, but could not play on it.  I found 
the H2 rim too thin and the sound unfocused.  Oh yes, I forgot that I 
played a custom model Giardinelli for a time in college.  I don't 
think there is really a progression from one mouthpiece to another.  I 
usually have my students play a Holton DC from a very early age.  As 
mouthpieces go, it is a conservative choice.
CORdially,
Luke Zyla, 2nd horn WV Symphony

Patrick Morgan wrote:
I think it's a good beginner mpc. I played on one before moving to a 
conn-2, and then eventually to a Bach7, then on to an H2. Next step 
is an H2 with an M2 Moosewood rim. Anyone else like that progression?

cheers
Dave

On 19 déc. 04, at 22:27, Steve Freides wrote:
I found, in my son's case, a Holton Farkas Model MC mouthpiece.  (I 
think we
bought it used when we bought his horn from Dillon Music this 
summer.)  He's
tried it once or twice and doesn't like it, but it makes my tone much
better.  It does not, however, extend my pitiful high range any 
higher.  I
tend towards a woodwind-like tone in my playing - with the Holton
mouthpiece, it sounds more like a horn ought to.

After reading here more than once about beginner best avoiding 
experimenting
with mouthpieces, I'm a little leary of using this one instead of 
the UMI
7BW (copy of Conn 7BW, I believe) I've been playing.

Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece 
or is it
OK for me at this early stage of my development?

Thanks.
-S-
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-19 Thread Luke Zyla
I played on a Holton DC for about 20 years as a professional with my 
Paxman Model 20.  I changed to a Lawson S660 with a P10G rim only 
recently. I used a Holton MC for 10 years from the beginning stages 
through college.  I tried a Bach 7, but could not play on it.  I found 
the H2 rim too thin and the sound unfocused.  Oh yes, I forgot that I 
played a custom model Giardinelli for a time in college.  I don't think 
there is really a progression from one mouthpiece to another.  I usually 
have my students play a Holton DC from a very early age.  As mouthpieces 
go, it is a conservative choice.
CORdially,
Luke Zyla, 2nd horn WV Symphony

Patrick Morgan wrote:
I think it's a good beginner mpc. I played on one before moving to a 
conn-2, and then eventually to a Bach7, then on to an H2. Next step is 
an H2 with an M2 Moosewood rim. Anyone else like that progression?

cheers
Dave

On 19 déc. 04, at 22:27, Steve Freides wrote:
I found, in my son's case, a Holton Farkas Model MC mouthpiece.  (I 
think we
bought it used when we bought his horn from Dillon Music this 
summer.)  He's
tried it once or twice and doesn't like it, but it makes my tone much
better.  It does not, however, extend my pitiful high range any 
higher.  I
tend towards a woodwind-like tone in my playing - with the Holton
mouthpiece, it sounds more like a horn ought to.

After reading here more than once about beginner best avoiding 
experimenting
with mouthpieces, I'm a little leary of using this one instead of the 
UMI
7BW (copy of Conn 7BW, I believe) I've been playing.

Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece 
or is it
OK for me at this early stage of my development?

Thanks.
-S-
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-19 Thread Patrick Morgan
I think it's a good beginner mpc. I played on one before moving to a 
conn-2, and then eventually to a Bach7, then on to an H2. Next step is 
an H2 with an M2 Moosewood rim. Anyone else like that progression?

cheers
Dave

On 19 déc. 04, at 22:27, Steve Freides wrote:
I found, in my son's case, a Holton Farkas Model MC mouthpiece.  (I 
think we
bought it used when we bought his horn from Dillon Music this summer.) 
 He's
tried it once or twice and doesn't like it, but it makes my tone much
better.  It does not, however, extend my pitiful high range any 
higher.  I
tend towards a woodwind-like tone in my playing - with the Holton
mouthpiece, it sounds more like a horn ought to.

After reading here more than once about beginner best avoiding 
experimenting
with mouthpieces, I'm a little leary of using this one instead of the 
UMI
7BW (copy of Conn 7BW, I believe) I've been playing.

Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece or 
is it
OK for me at this early stage of my development?

Thanks.
-S-
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Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-19 Thread JeremyWray325
It's a good all around mouthpiece. It doesn't have any extreme  features, 
which will help you build your chops for high and low without some  kind of 
"special" help from the mouthpiece. It's rim isn't too thick, but it  isn't 
very 
skinny, so it'll give you some cushion, but not too much to where  it's hard to 
get your lips in the cup. I'd suggest playing on it, it'll  accomplish the 
tasks you need it to do.  I play on one  myself.
Jason
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[Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?

2004-12-19 Thread Steve Freides
I found, in my son's case, a Holton Farkas Model MC mouthpiece.  (I think we
bought it used when we bought his horn from Dillon Music this summer.)  He's
tried it once or twice and doesn't like it, but it makes my tone much
better.  It does not, however, extend my pitiful high range any higher.  I
tend towards a woodwind-like tone in my playing - with the Holton
mouthpiece, it sounds more like a horn ought to.

After reading here more than once about beginner best avoiding experimenting
with mouthpieces, I'm a little leary of using this one instead of the UMI
7BW (copy of Conn 7BW, I believe) I've been playing.

Am I OK to use the Holton?  Is it some "special purpose" mouthpiece or is it
OK for me at this early stage of my development?

Thanks.

-S-

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