[Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
My vote goes to Herman Baumann's recordings, the Mozart and Strauss,also. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
I think we should accept that there are many great players. What we each prefer is largely a matter of personal taste. For me, I could listen to Radovan Vlatkovic all day. Adam Black> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:39:02 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu> Subject: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos> > Hello All (again)> > I have been listening to the Mozart Horn Concertos recently, as I will > be playing one of the movements (probably the second concerto, movement > III) in a June recital. I have now listened to three recordings of > these concertos, and I have an opinion-based question. I have heard a > Barry Tuckwell recording, the recording of Dale Clevenger under Janos > Rolla, and the recordings of Eric Ruske with the Scottish Chamber > Orchestra. Of those three, I like the recording with Barry Tuckwell the > least. In the second concert, third movement, it sounds like he was > pushing very hard to get the high B flat out, and I do not like his tone > quality very much. The second place recording is the Dale Clevenger > one. I think that his tone is wonderful in the second concerto, but the > first concerto (in D major) does not have the same rich smoothness. > Therefore, my favorite recording is the Eric Ruske recording. He is a > well-rounded player, and is able to put so much emotion into what he plays.> > And so, my question:> Who do you think is the best player of those three?> > --> Tim> ___> post: horn@music.memphis.edu> unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/adamblack65%40hotmail.com _ You dream job is up for grabs. Grab it. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
Alan Civil's and Gerd Seifert's recordings are my two favorites. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:36 AM, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the Mozart Concertos ? > > The best are Dennis Brain & Michael Hoeltzel ! > > > == > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:horn-bounces+hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > Behalf Of Tim Kecherson > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:39 AM > To: Hornlist > Subject: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos > > Hello All (again) > > I have been listening to the Mozart Horn Concertos recently, > as I will be playing one of the movements (probably the > second concerto, movement > III) in a June recital. I have now listened to three > recordings of these concertos, and I have an opinion-based > question. I have heard a Barry Tuckwell recording, the > recording of Dale Clevenger under Janos Rolla, and the > recordings of Eric Ruske with the Scottish Chamber > Orchestra. Of those three, I like the recording with Barry > Tuckwell the least. In the second concert, third movement, > it sounds like he was pushing very hard to get the high B > flat out, and I do not like his tone quality very much. The > second place recording is the Dale Clevenger one. I think > that his tone is wonderful in the second concerto, but the > first concerto (in D major) does not have the same rich > smoothness. > Therefore, my favorite recording is the Eric Ruske > recording. He is a well-rounded player, and is able to put > so much emotion into what he plays. > > And so, my question: > Who do you think is the best player of those three? > > -- > Tim > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. > de > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/parsifal560sec%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
With the Mozart Concertos ? The best are Dennis Brain & Michael Hoeltzel ! == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:39 AM To: Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos Hello All (again) I have been listening to the Mozart Horn Concertos recently, as I will be playing one of the movements (probably the second concerto, movement III) in a June recital. I have now listened to three recordings of these concertos, and I have an opinion-based question. I have heard a Barry Tuckwell recording, the recording of Dale Clevenger under Janos Rolla, and the recordings of Eric Ruske with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. Of those three, I like the recording with Barry Tuckwell the least. In the second concert, third movement, it sounds like he was pushing very hard to get the high B flat out, and I do not like his tone quality very much. The second place recording is the Dale Clevenger one. I think that his tone is wonderful in the second concerto, but the first concerto (in D major) does not have the same rich smoothness. Therefore, my favorite recording is the Eric Ruske recording. He is a well-rounded player, and is able to put so much emotion into what he plays. And so, my question: Who do you think is the best player of those three? -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
[quote] And so, my question: Who do you think is the best player of those three? [/quote] You have got to be kidding me. Tuckwell was principal horn of many orchestras and recorded the Mozart concerti on at least five occasions (let alone all his other recordings). Dale Clevenger has spent 42 years as principal horn of Chicago Symphony. Eric Ruske won a paying job with Cleveland at age 21. You should wish you played as well as any of them. Just on the off chance you are not a troll I'll tell you to go listen to the Brain recording and also the Lowell Greer recording. If your real question was which version is closest to Mozart era style then these two recordings will come much closer to answering your question. Also, go read the Charles Rosen book(s) on classical style, Casals & the Art of Interpretation, Bruno Walters On Music and Music Making, and Quantz Art of Flute Playing. Now go study the Neue Mozart-Ausgabe manuscripts or best of all Professor Pizka's book Das Horn bei Mozart. And no, there is no point to asking who is the best player. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
Hello All (again) I have been listening to the Mozart Horn Concertos recently, as I will be playing one of the movements (probably the second concerto, movement III) in a June recital. I have now listened to three recordings of these concertos, and I have an opinion-based question. I have heard a Barry Tuckwell recording, the recording of Dale Clevenger under Janos Rolla, and the recordings of Eric Ruske with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. Of those three, I like the recording with Barry Tuckwell the least. In the second concert, third movement, it sounds like he was pushing very hard to get the high B flat out, and I do not like his tone quality very much. The second place recording is the Dale Clevenger one. I think that his tone is wonderful in the second concerto, but the first concerto (in D major) does not have the same rich smoothness. Therefore, my favorite recording is the Eric Ruske recording. He is a well-rounded player, and is able to put so much emotion into what he plays. And so, my question: Who do you think is the best player of those three? -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] mozart horn concertos
Scott, an edition that I like is the Baumann. They are not cheap, but I think more reasonable than the new Tuckwell editions. You can get the concerti separately from McCoy's horn library in Minneapolis. They are not over edited; clean accompaniments, and pretty largely urtext, as I recall. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 01:00 PM, Scott Pappal wrote: Hi gang. I'm seeking recommendations from those of you who do private horn teaching or are familiar with many of the different editions available of the mozart horn concerts. Back when I was in high school (living in a town of 500...no stoplights...more cows than people) I considered myself lucky to have the (older) Schirmer edition which is heavily edited/articulated by Henri Kling, I believe. (If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.) The major drawbacks to this edition are: 1. Articulations aren't even close to being original, and many times reflect a "romantic" period view of the line. 2. Horn part is in F - which I dislike intensely. This tends to inhibit showing students how Mozart used elements of the natural horn to his advantage in writing for the instrument. 3. Piano part is overly heavily scored. 4. Concert Rondo in this edition (last I checked) still contains the pre-1989 version without the additionally discovered measures (about 70 bars, I think.) The major bonus to this edition is that its 14.95! In college and up to the present, I've been using the new Schirmer/Tuckwell edition which makes up for most of the previous shortcomings. One item I appreciate about it is that non-Mozart articulations are indicated in parenthesis. Also, horn parts in original keys are included, as well as a "cheater" part in F. Piano reduction is far better, lighter, more transparent in nature. Drawback - its around 65.00 dollars, so trying to convince blue-collar working parents to purchase it is rather difficult! I've seen some editions (international, for example) where the part is so heavily edited and even the pitches and melody are different from Mozart's original. (Pottag's comes to mind) I'd like to stay away from those if possible. Does anyone have some recommendations for good urtext editions which are reasonably priced? Feel free to make all the comments you'd like - anything you think could be of help is welcome. Bear in mind that I've got to be able to have 13-14 year olds buy this - we're not dealing with professionals who consider any cost acceptable! Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] mozart horn concertos
Hi gang. I'm seeking recommendations from those of you who do private horn teaching or are familiar with many of the different editions available of the mozart horn concerts. Back when I was in high school (living in a town of 500...no stoplights...more cows than people) I considered myself lucky to have the (older) Schirmer edition which is heavily edited/articulated by Henri Kling, I believe. (If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.) The major drawbacks to this edition are: 1. Articulations aren't even close to being original, and many times reflect a "romantic" period view of the line. 2. Horn part is in F - which I dislike intensely. This tends to inhibit showing students how Mozart used elements of the natural horn to his advantage in writing for the instrument. 3. Piano part is overly heavily scored. 4. Concert Rondo in this edition (last I checked) still contains the pre-1989 version without the additionally discovered measures (about 70 bars, I think.) The major bonus to this edition is that its 14.95! In college and up to the present, I've been using the new Schirmer/Tuckwell edition which makes up for most of the previous shortcomings. One item I appreciate about it is that non-Mozart articulations are indicated in parenthesis. Also, horn parts in original keys are included, as well as a "cheater" part in F. Piano reduction is far better, lighter, more transparent in nature. Drawback - its around 65.00 dollars, so trying to convince blue-collar working parents to purchase it is rather difficult! I've seen some editions (international, for example) where the part is so heavily edited and even the pitches and melody are different from Mozart's original. (Pottag's comes to mind) I'd like to stay away from those if possible. Does anyone have some recommendations for good urtext editions which are reasonably priced? Feel free to make all the comments you'd like - anything you think could be of help is welcome. Bear in mind that I've got to be able to have 13-14 year olds buy this - we're not dealing with professionals who consider any cost acceptable! Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
