Re: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
Just a note of trivia - on the album Sacred Brass by the Canadian Brass Chuck Dallaenbach plays a cimbasso instead of the tuba. Interesting how it subtly changes the spectrum of sound, especially when combined with the voices. Paxmaha - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
Bass trombone or tuba. Eric James --- Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/eric_d_james%40yahoo.com Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
I would think F tuba or bass trombone. Sven - Original Message From: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:41:28 PM Subject: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sven.bring%40glocalnet.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 2007-05-17 17:18 Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
Do you know, when a Cimbasso has to be used ? - Most operas by Giuseppe Verdi use the Cimbasso, played by the tuba player instead of his usual instrument. The trombones also use smaller bore Italian bones the trumpets play on cornet - unfair side effect for us but good for them in a bigger Verdi session: these instruments are regarded as extra instruments create extra pay cheques for the trumps ´n bones as well as for the tubaist while the horns get nothing extra. Well, we receive the tuba supplement pay all year round no matter if a single performance with the tuba or three complete Ring cycles. The principals did not get that, but we were called to replace the first tuba occasionally when ill leave required that. So we convinced them, that all year round pay would be better in case .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:41 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
In a message dated 18/05/2007 19:31:11 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How the cornet evolved into the brass instrument we now have is something I haven't researched yet. I don't think it did evolve into the modern brass instrument. There were straight natural trumpets around at the time and it was they who the precursors of modern brass. The cornett simply died out after a glorious golden age in the 17th century. The tenor of the family was the lizard and there was also the smaller cornetto. All had mouthpieces similar to modern brass isntruments. The bass instrument of the cornett family was the serpent and this evolved (I believe) into the ophecleide which was still around at the start of the 20th century. Ophecleide parts exist for many military band pieces and of course in many 19th century operas. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
And to make this a little more interesting, the Italian cornet was originally a wooden instrument similar in shape to the oboe except it used a cornet mouthpiece instead of the oboe's double reed. One of these cornets is displayed in the Albert and Victoria Museum in London. How the cornet evolved into the brass instrument we now have is something I haven't researched yet. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:06 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today Do you know, when a Cimbasso has to be used ? - Most operas by Giuseppe Verdi use the Cimbasso, played by the tuba player instead of his usual instrument. The trombones also use smaller bore Italian bones the trumpets play on cornet - unfair side effect for us but good for them in a bigger Verdi session: these instruments are regarded as extra instruments create extra pay cheques for the trumps ´n bones as well as for the tubaist while the horns get nothing extra. Well, we receive the tuba supplement pay all year round no matter if a single performance with the tuba or three complete Ring cycles. The principals did not get that, but we were called to replace the first tuba occasionally when ill leave required that. So we convinced them, that all year round pay would be better in case .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:41 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
Some krumme zinc were played by a tiny ivory or bone mouthpiece not much different to the trompe mouthpiece, just smaller. These zincs were named cornetto also. I have an old one, some 300+ years, wood leather on the outside, with key holes like a recorder. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Mayhew Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:30 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today And to make this a little more interesting, the Italian cornet was originally a wooden instrument similar in shape to the oboe except it used a cornet mouthpiece instead of the oboe's double reed. One of these cornets is displayed in the Albert and Victoria Museum in London. How the cornet evolved into the brass instrument we now have is something I haven't researched yet. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:06 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today Do you know, when a Cimbasso has to be used ? - Most operas by Giuseppe Verdi use the Cimbasso, played by the tuba player instead of his usual instrument. The trombones also use smaller bore Italian bones the trumpets play on cornet - unfair side effect for us but good for them in a bigger Verdi session: these instruments are regarded as extra instruments create extra pay cheques for the trumps ´n bones as well as for the tubaist while the horns get nothing extra. Well, we receive the tuba supplement pay all year round no matter if a single performance with the tuba or three complete Ring cycles. The principals did not get that, but we were called to replace the first tuba occasionally when ill leave required that. So we convinced them, that all year round pay would be better in case .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:41 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhe ws.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
Heraldic trumpets were built long before the world famous trumpets by the Haas family in Nuremberg last third of the 17th century (1680-95) or the Schnitzer trumpets. And how about the Roman tradition of making fine brass fanfare tubae (this is the Latin plural of Tuba), the over the shoulder horns used in the Roman army, and the threethousand year old nordic lures?? == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:51 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today In a message dated 18/05/2007 19:31:11 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How the cornet evolved into the brass instrument we now have is something I haven't researched yet. I don't think it did evolve into the modern brass instrument. There were straight natural trumpets around at the time and it was they who the precursors of modern brass. The cornett simply died out after a glorious golden age in the 17th century. The tenor of the family was the lizard and there was also the smaller cornetto. All had mouthpieces similar to modern brass isntruments. The bass instrument of the cornett family was the serpent and this evolved (I believe) into the ophecleide which was still around at the start of the 20th century. Ophecleide parts exist for many military band pieces and of course in many 19th century operas. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
I understand the cimbasso to be of 19th century Italian origin. I'm told the name simply means bass brass. It's kind of a vertically held bell front large bore contrabass valve trombone. Google the name. Photographs are common on the web. I have seen two instruments (both at the Midwest Clinic in Chicago last year). One was a production instrument and the other was a prototype still held together by wire and string. Both attracted quite a lot of attention. I am also told they are being used quite frequently in film scores although my repairman insists it's a mythological instrument because he's never repaired one :). Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com Loren Mayhew wrote: And to make this a little more interesting, the Italian cornet was originally a wooden instrument similar in shape to the oboe except it used a cornet mouthpiece instead of the oboe's double reed. One of these cornets is displayed in the Albert and Victoria Museum in London. How the cornet evolved into the brass instrument we now have is something I haven't researched yet. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:06 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today Do you know, when a Cimbasso has to be used ? - Most operas by Giuseppe Verdi use the Cimbasso, played by the tuba player instead of his usual instrument. The trombones also use smaller bore Italian bones the trumpets play on cornet - unfair side effect for us but good for them in a bigger Verdi session: these instruments are regarded as extra instruments create extra pay cheques for the trumps ´n bones as well as for the tubaist while the horns get nothing extra. Well, we receive the tuba supplement pay all year round no matter if a single performance with the tuba or three complete Ring cycles. The principals did not get that, but we were called to replace the first tuba occasionally when ill leave required that. So we convinced them, that all year round pay would be better in case .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:41 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmithmusic.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
Yes, Richard, it is a kind of a mythological instrument, as some come with a bell formed like a dragon head. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Smith Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:55 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today I understand the cimbasso to be of 19th century Italian origin. I'm told the name simply means bass brass. It's kind of a vertically held bell front large bore contrabass valve trombone. Google the name. Photographs are common on the web. I have seen two instruments (both at the Midwest Clinic in Chicago last year). One was a production instrument and the other was a prototype still held together by wire and string. Both attracted quite a lot of attention. I am also told they are being used quite frequently in film scores although my repairman insists it's a mythological instrument because he's never repaired one :). Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com Loren Mayhew wrote: And to make this a little more interesting, the Italian cornet was originally a wooden instrument similar in shape to the oboe except it used a cornet mouthpiece instead of the oboe's double reed. One of these cornets is displayed in the Albert and Victoria Museum in London. How the cornet evolved into the brass instrument we now have is something I haven't researched yet. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:06 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today Do you know, when a Cimbasso has to be used ? - Most operas by Giuseppe Verdi use the Cimbasso, played by the tuba player instead of his usual instrument. The trombones also use smaller bore Italian bones the trumpets play on cornet - unfair side effect for us but good for them in a bigger Verdi session: these instruments are regarded as extra instruments create extra pay cheques for the trumps ´n bones as well as for the tubaist while the horns get nothing extra. Well, we receive the tuba supplement pay all year round no matter if a single performance with the tuba or three complete Ring cycles. The principals did not get that, but we were called to replace the first tuba occasionally when ill leave required that. So we convinced them, that all year round pay would be better in case .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:41 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhe ws.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmi thmusic.co m ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
