Re: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
FYI,
Linen fishing line, known as Cuttyhunk has not been manufactured since
shortly after the Second World War. You can still find some on eBay if you
know the proper diameter, weight, etc.
Happy bidding!
Bob Osmun
www.osmun.com
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From: sheldon kirshner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
I agree. Having the tools for self sufficiency is always a big
deal.
Is the linen line you referred to Cuttyhunk? I've heard both
Farkas and Wedgewood used it.
Shel
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
hans wrote:
One question to all lamenting about expenses for corks or cork
cutters:
For what else would you need the cork cutter ??? To provide your
colleagues with corks How many ??? To open a bumper cork business
??? Ridiculous, how cheap many of you think.
To buy a little pack of (say) twenty cork sticks would cost you a few
USD only, but one stick is enough for a double horn to re-cork
completely.
How often do you have to replace these corks ??? Every year or every
two years ??? So the pack would last between ten to twenty year per
horn used.
THINK BIGGER not only VERY VERY CHEAP.
We have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now.
Hans,
If your riposte is to counter my Bass-o-Matic commercial, as was Bob
Osmun's, you are on the wrong track. The original writer asked where
can he get good quality cork for his valves, as he is under-age and so
he doesn't have access to the traditional champagne bottle cork.
Really, cork borers are not necessary to fashion valve corks, for a
person who can learn to be handy with a small, sharp knife.
And that's what this is about. My teacher taught me how to cut my own
valve-corks from champagne bottle cork, to line up the marks; do the
whole job myself, and restring using linen fish-line - not from a
horn-repair shop, but from any store that sells fishing line. Any
student who learns this mid-level horn maintenance can be grateful to
such a teacher for teaching the student how to take care of his
instrument. A large part of any teacher's job is to help the student to
become independent - that's the word that I used in my message, and
that's the message. It is not about screwing the rapacious agents of
the valve-cork cartel. It may be, as Hans says, that we have fallen to
a very cheap thinking society now, but hornists' desire to learn to
take care of their instruments - using only a champagne bottle cork and
a knife - is not pushing us closer to the cliff.
And neither is owning a cork-borer. I have had mine for more than 40
years - I bought it without valve cork repair in mind; it's a handy, if
NHR tool once in a while.
Good grief guys, back off.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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[Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
An update to the website Professor Pizka gave: The page showing how to change the corks is http://www.pizka.de/Change-Corks.htm Thank you for your help. FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
One question to all lamenting about expenses for corks or cork cutters: For what else would you need the cork cutter ??? To provide your colleagues with corks How many ??? To open a bumper cork business ??? Ridiculous, how cheap many of you think. To buy a little pack of (say) twenty cork sticks would cost you a few USD only, but one stick is enough for a double horn to re-cork completely. How often do you have to replace these corks ??? Every year or every two years ??? So the pack would last between ten to twenty year per horn used. THINK BIGGER not only VERY VERY CHEAP. We have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:54 PM To: Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks An update to the website Professor Pizka gave: The page showing how to change the corks is http://www.pizka.de/Change-Corks.htm Thank you for your help. FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
hans wrote:
One question to all lamenting about expenses for corks or
cork cutters:
For what else would you need the cork cutter ??? To provide
your colleagues with corks How many ??? To open a
bumper cork business ??? Ridiculous, how cheap many of you
think.
To buy a little pack of (say) twenty cork sticks would cost
you a few USD only, but one stick is enough for a double
horn to re-cork completely.
How often do you have to replace these corks ??? Every year
or every two years ??? So the pack would last between ten to
twenty year per horn used.
THINK BIGGER not only VERY VERY CHEAP.
We have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now.
Hans,
If your riposte is to counter my Bass-o-Matic commercial, as was Bob
Osmun's, you are on the wrong track. The original writer asked where
can he get good quality cork for his valves, as he is under-age and so
he doesn't have access to the traditional champagne bottle cork.
Really, cork borers are not necessary to fashion valve corks, for a
person who can learn to be handy with a small, sharp knife.
And that's what this is about. My teacher taught me how to cut my own
valve-corks from champagne bottle cork, to line up the marks; do the
whole job myself, and restring using linen fish-line - not from a
horn-repair shop, but from any store that sells fishing line. Any
student who learns this mid-level horn maintenance can be grateful to
such a teacher for teaching the student how to take care of his
instrument. A large part of any teacher's job is to help the student to
become independent - that's the word that I used in my message, and
that's the message. It is not about screwing the rapacious agents of
the valve-cork cartel. It may be, as Hans says, that we have fallen to
a very cheap thinking society now, but hornists' desire to learn to
take care of their instruments - using only a champagne bottle cork and
a knife - is not pushing us closer to the cliff.
And neither is owning a cork-borer. I have had mine for more than 40
years - I bought it without valve cork repair in mind; it's a handy, if
NHR tool once in a while.
Good grief guys, back off.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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RE: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
I agree. Having the tools for self sufficiency is always a big
deal.
Is the linen line you referred to Cuttyhunk? I've heard both
Farkas and Wedgewood used it.
Shel
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
David Goldberg
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:05 AM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
hans wrote:
One question to all lamenting about expenses for corks or cork
cutters:
For what else would you need the cork cutter ??? To provide your
colleagues with corks How many ??? To open a bumper cork business
??? Ridiculous, how cheap many of you think.
To buy a little pack of (say) twenty cork sticks would cost you a few
USD only, but one stick is enough for a double horn to re-cork
completely.
How often do you have to replace these corks ??? Every year or every
two years ??? So the pack would last between ten to twenty year per
horn used.
THINK BIGGER not only VERY VERY CHEAP.
We have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now.
Hans,
If your riposte is to counter my Bass-o-Matic commercial, as was Bob
Osmun's, you are on the wrong track. The original writer asked where
can he get good quality cork for his valves, as he is under-age and so
he doesn't have access to the traditional champagne bottle cork.
Really, cork borers are not necessary to fashion valve corks, for a
person who can learn to be handy with a small, sharp knife.
And that's what this is about. My teacher taught me how to cut my own
valve-corks from champagne bottle cork, to line up the marks; do the
whole job myself, and restring using linen fish-line - not from a
horn-repair shop, but from any store that sells fishing line. Any
student who learns this mid-level horn maintenance can be grateful to
such a teacher for teaching the student how to take care of his
instrument. A large part of any teacher's job is to help the student to
become independent - that's the word that I used in my message, and
that's the message. It is not about screwing the rapacious agents of
the valve-cork cartel. It may be, as Hans says, that we have fallen to
a very cheap thinking society now, but hornists' desire to learn to
take care of their instruments - using only a champagne bottle cork and
a knife - is not pushing us closer to the cliff.
And neither is owning a cork-borer. I have had mine for more than 40
years - I bought it without valve cork repair in mind; it's a handy, if
NHR tool once in a while.
Good grief guys, back off.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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[Hornlist] RE: valve corks
From: Papierniak, Michael R Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:49 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: valve corks Yet another solution would be to use cork whole bore-ers or drills used in laboratories to cut wholes in corks and rubber stoppers for fitting tubing or glass tubes in. Once you cut the whole in a cork sheet of appropriate thickness simply punch out the whole from the cutter and there you have your cork stopper.Walter Lawson also told me about the neoprene impregnated cork (which he used) that the military developed for corking the clarinets etc., cork like and yet does not soak up oil etc.. Michael Papierniak www.4wwv.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
