[Hornlist] RE: protecting one's horn

2006-04-29 Thread MUMFORDHornworks
In a message dated 4/29/06 1:00:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,Rachel writes:


 Although the bell was repaired each time; the horn ended up sounding like a 
 garbage can in the end and I had to replace it.  At the time it did not 
 occur to me that I could have simply had the bell replaced; a mistake on my 
 own 
 part.  
 

It should be noted though that the current 8D bells bear no relation 
whatsoever to the Elkhart version. If you wanted to maintain that sound you'd 
have 
to search for a period replacement which makes the problem a little more 
interesting. 

- Steve Mumford
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[Hornlist] RE: protecting one's horn

2006-04-28 Thread harveycor

 If there is someone who specifically endangers your instrument

Hornfolks:
I realize that there have been more than one appropriate answer to this post 
but am citing the 1st one I read.

I had a wonderful L series 8d for around 25 yrs.  The moment I replaced its 
Conn hardshell case (which can withstand being run over by a large automobile 
btw) with a soft bag of my own mfg; the following 3 things happened:

1)  During a break from a school practice session; I placed the 8d on the 
floor; got a drink of water; came back, tripped and fell flat on the bell of 
that instrument.
2)  During a gig with some other hornplayers, while exiting someone else's car 
near USC in Los Angeles, the door slammed on the bell of the same 8d.
3)  In Mexico (where I had purchased a handmade leather soft bag) that horn was 
sitting on the upper rack of a bus on the way to Toluca during a Beethoven 5 
gig.  The horn was tied securely; but the bell stuck out because the rack was 
too small for it.  However another hornist had a Conn hard shell case, 
unsecured.  That particular horn FELL off the rack and slammed into the head of 
a cellist seated directly below it, knocking her out.  As a reaction, the 
orchestra official up front saw my own horn sitting directly in front of him 
and stuffed its bell into the rest of the upper rack; thereby severely damaging 
the bell a 3rd time).

Although the bell was repaired each time; the horn ended up sounding like a 
garbage can in the end and I had to replace it.  At the time it did not occur 
to me that I could have simply had the bell replaced; a mistake on my own part. 
 

The hard lesson was learned and now in orchestra I put my newest horn back into 
its hard case if I must leave; and never leave it unattended out of its case 
for any reason.

best wishes
Rachel Harvey
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[Hornlist] RE: protecting one's horn

2006-04-20 Thread Alon reuven
1) when not played , put your horn in its case.
2) do not place your horn anywhere it might hinder others work , like
passages , or on any surface which might be used for stage work .
3) If there is someone who specifically endangers your instrument ( clumsy ,
reckless ) , ask this person the to imagine what would he fill like if he \
she would be sued for the damage caused .
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[Hornlist] Re: Protecting one's horn from other players

2006-04-20 Thread Wendell Rider


On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
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subject: [Hornlist] Protecting one's horn from other players

Just seems that it is a matter of time before other
ensemble players do damage to one's horn by tipping
over music stands or by swinging their horn into ours.
 I make mental notes about specific players that seem
to put my horn at high risk, and I protect my horn
from them the best I can.  Examples of high risk
colleageus include those who arrive late and have to
sqweeze between rows, bumping and tipping stands on
their way. One can anticipate their actions, perhaps
moving one's stand to create more room for their
passage or grabbing the stand so that it doesn't tip
and fall into your horn.  Then there's the horn
playing colleague next to you that wildly swings his
horn, hitting yours in the process.  For the horn
swinger one can start by spreading the chairs apart,
and you might have to arrive early to be able to do
this.  Otherwise, as they swing their horn, move your
horn as far away from them as you can.  I haven't yet
made a terse comment to anyone, but that would follow
once the gash into the horn happens.  And, I think
when walking with the horn, the horn has more
protection when holding it high across one's chest so
that all of the horn is in your view; carrying the
horn on your side leaves the bell vulnerable.  Oh,
happy day!  Other suggestions?  Thanks.


You might want to politely ask them to be more careful. If you see  
someone coming toward you, loaded up with their case, music, lunch,  
clothing and other sundry items, you should take take preemptive  
action by standing up or holding out an arm and asking them to be  
careful- perhaps putting some of their stuff down somewhere else. If  
you know someone swings their horn around a lot, you should catch  
them gently before they do it and ask them to be careful. A couple of  
these polite moves should do the job. If not, then more positive  
actions should be taken. You can always suggest that if they are  
always going to be late then they should play 4th horn or a part that  
is easier to get to in a pinch.


Some people seem to always be late and are used to rushing around,  
often losing sight of what effect that has on other people. When I  
used to contract professional groups I would take people aside who  
were chronically late or just rushing in at the last minute and  
explain to them that I, as a contractor, did not appreciate that  
because it made me nervous and stressed out, so no matter how good  
they were as a player, I would be less likely to hire them in the  
future. That usually helped. : )


I sometimes work in crowded pit or stage conditions with  
PROFESSIONALS and for the most part, they are very considerate of  
other peoples' instruments. We help each other get into our positions  
and sometimes people who sit farther in are playfully razzed by those  
they have to climb over if they are later than they should be. The  
people in the back of the pit near the entrance usually make it a  
point to come in later if there is a problem with space, which there  
usually is. This is just adult behavior.


Other behavior should be discouraged right away but in a nice way. I  
don't believe that you should encourage bad behavior by just making  
it easier for them to do it by moving things around and trying to get  
out of their way any more than is reasonable. (Sure, you need to make  
room and help people pass, but we all know there are limits to this.)  
Sometimes there just isn't any more room and if you end up in another  
hall where there isn't enough room to avoid them then the problem is  
still there and just more deeply ingrained. I wouldn't wait until  
damage is done.


Most people respond to polite, helpful advice from a respected player  
on how to be more professional.


Accidents do happen so you should protect your horn at all times and  
don't leave it anywhere where it might be damaged, especially in  
amateur and school situations.

Sincerely,
Wendell Rider
For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing and the  
summer seminar, go to my website: www.wendellworld.com



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[Hornlist] Re: Protecting one's horn from other players

2006-04-20 Thread MUMFORDHornworks
Put it in the case during break!

- Steve Mumford

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