[Hornlist] Range Ballade, Pastorale and Dance for horn, flute and piano by Eric Ewanzen
Hi, Does anyone know the horn range in mvts. 1, 2 and 3 of Ballade, Pastorale and Dance for horn, flute and piano by Eric Ewanzen? I want to make sure it's with in my range before I order it. If anyone knows the flute range, that would also be helpful. Thanks! Barbara ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Range Ballade, Pastorale and Dance for horn, flute and piano by Eric Ewanzen
1st Movement: Low F below the staff High A above the staff twice 2nd Movement: Low D Base Clef High B flat about staff once 3rd Movement: Low E flat Base Clef High several repeated B above the staff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Rutledge Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:54 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Range Ballade, Pastorale and Dance for horn, flute and piano by Eric Ewanzen Hi, Does anyone know the horn range in mvts. 1, 2 and 3 of Ballade, Pastorale and Dance for horn, flute and piano by Eric Ewanzen? I want to make sure it's with in my range before I order it. If anyone knows the flute range, that would also be helpful. Thanks! Barbara ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Range Limbo Discussion alive and Wells on the trumpetherald.com forum
Hello: If anyone is still interested in this thread, it is ongoing here. Prof. Scheffelman is mentioned! http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=671992sid=16446f725f8de7e0d7ff23187c151684 Enjoy, Jim Gray _ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] range problems
There is no pulling, no lifting (pulling all over the face). The less movement in your face you can see when looking into the mirror THE BETTER. The vibrating muscle is is not pulled thin or tight for playing high notes. The vibrating muscle is SHORTENED by TENSION or CONCENTRATION, which can be achieved much better by THICKENING the muscle (cushion effect, which is also very helpful against mouth piece pressure) than by stretching via Corner action. Dr.Farkas speaks of the typical Brass player face or mask or making a serious face. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Hencken Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:23 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] range problems From: Jay Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] range problems Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) I have a related question for those with a good high range - When you tighten your lips (embouchure), is there a particular 'direction' in which you feel (or imagine) the corners of your mouth pulling ? For example, does the tightening of the corners feel directed - - straight downward - directly inward - directly backward - downward and inward towards the neck, back of jaw - etc. How do you describe where the 'pull' is aimed ? If you have another way to explain the proper feeling of the 'pull', please tell me about it. Jay Kosta Endwell NY amateur player I second that question! JH _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/ 01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] range problems
On Thursday, April 7, 2005, at 06:39 PM, Julia Hencken wrote: It's to the point where I just don't know what to do about it anymore because I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable as I play with my increasing unreliability in that register. Any advice and or ideas as to what could be the problem would be wonderful. Thank you! Julia Possibly it means you should work on your low register. Can you play the pedal C? If not, spend some daily time on the low register. Down there you can relax the tension in your embouchure; yet learn how that there must be a certain degree of firmness in your lips. You use lots of air, you learn focussing on pitch, you develop the way you project the sound, you learn dynamic control at all pitch levels and you don't worry about getting to high q. Much of what you work on will transfer to the problem of pitch production and projection in the stratosphere. Many horn players will tell you that they did not acquire a high register until after they learned to play low. For many reasons, it works for most players. CORdially, Paul Mansur ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Julia, Hans's comments sound right to me. I'll supplement them by saying that if you are tiring so quickly and finding the upper range so unreliable, there is definitely something wrong with the way you are managing the embouchure. A bad habit of some kind must have crept in. I'll add some more questions to those Hans asked: 1. Do you find yourself tensing your throat when attempting high notes? 2. Do you find yourself clenching your jaw when attempting high notes? 3. After playing high notes for a while, does a depression or red ring appear on your lips where the mouthpiece was? A yes to #1 indicates that you are clenching the throat and restricting the airflow, with the inevitable effect that you lose control. The solution is to make a conscious effort to relax your throat and support the air column from your diaphragm instead. I saw this a while ago in a horn player on an orchestral course I attended some time ago. His muscles were all tensed up and consequently the tone in his upper range sounded like a strangled cow. I pointed out the problem to him and the improvement in his sound was immediate, and further improved over the following days as he got used to the new way of playing. A yes to #2 indicates a similar problem to #1. Make a conscious effort to reduce tension there and provide more air support from below. A yes to #3 indicates you may be using too much pressure on the mouthpiece, and not enough air support. In any of these cases, you need to first to get your instructor to confirm the source of the problem. He can see the state of your muscles, I can't. Assuming that one of these three problems is the cause, I would recommend exercising as follows, once you have warmed up - Start out by playing some long notes on second-space C. Each note should have a long crescendo and diminuendo. The aim here is to get used to the feel of providing adequate air support and reducing pressure and/or muscle tension, and being able to handle this over a wide dynamic range. - Once you have done that for a few days, instead of doing long notes on C, take a long breath and do a crescendo and diminuendo lip-slurring slowly backwards and forwards between C and D. Try very hard to minimise the additional tension in the lips and do as much as possible by increasing the diaphragm support to move upwards from C to D. Keep yourself aware of the sensations of the necessary muscle tensions particularly for the air support. - Once you are confident doing C-D-C slurs, try C-D-E-D-C slurs. Every few days, add one more note to the range until you are at G. Eventually, you can use the same technique (using fingerings where necessary) to take your range all the way to high C. - Once you have slurs sorted, you can then try making tongued entries on the high notes. Get the note in your mind, ensure that you have the necessary air support to play the note, and then tongue it as gently as possible. The tongue should merely be releasing the air column which is already there. Play each note for 5 seconds, take a five second rest, then play the next one up. Concentrate all the time on two things. Have a mental picture of the note you are about to play, and keep in mind the air support and relaxed embouchure necessary to play it. When doing all this, stop and do some low-register practice whenever you start feeling tired and losing control. Push yourself a little into the fatigue zone but don't overdo it, otherwise you will start slipping into old bad habits again. They key to this is that you become aware of how to do this right, that you remain aware of it while you are practicing, and that you spend your time practicing how to get it right. Its not enough just to do high-range exercises in the hope that it will all somehow get better without first understanding the cause of the problem and what needs to be changed to fix it. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] range problems
I have a related question for those with a good high range - When you tighten your lips (embouchure), is there a particular 'direction' in which you feel (or imagine) the corners of your mouth pulling ? For example, does the tightening of the corners feel directed - - straight downward - directly inward - directly backward - downward and inward towards the neck, back of jaw - etc. How do you describe where the 'pull' is aimed ? If you have another way to explain the proper feeling of the 'pull', please tell me about it. Jay Kosta Endwell NY amateur player ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] range problems
From: Jay Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] range problems Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) I have a related question for those with a good high range - When you tighten your lips (embouchure), is there a particular 'direction' in which you feel (or imagine) the corners of your mouth pulling ? For example, does the tightening of the corners feel directed - - straight downward - directly inward - directly backward - downward and inward towards the neck, back of jaw - etc. How do you describe where the 'pull' is aimed ? If you have another way to explain the proper feeling of the 'pull', please tell me about it. Jay Kosta Endwell NY amateur player I second that question! JH _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] range problems
Hi, I'm betting that you're going to get as many different answers as there are players. You can answer this question for yourself by trying the following: Play a third-space C, and while you're holding the long tone with a good sound, gradually start to pull the horn away from your face while keeping the pitch steady. It will become immediately apparent to you as to what you have to do to your embouchure to keep the pitch steady. Gary --- Julia Hencken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jay Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] range problems Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) I have a related question for those with a good high range - When you tighten your lips (embouchure), is there a particular 'direction' in which you feel (or imagine) the corners of your mouth pulling ? etc... Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] range problems
For the past year I've been having problems keeping my high range consistent. I can't ever guarantee that I'll be able to play high on a day-to-day basis. My instructor, Dr. Casey, has given me some exercises to try and people have suggested different things for me to do when I practice, but nothing seems to work. I actually think my high range has gotten worse since I started trying to work on it. When I try to put more air through my horn for support, I slip down to the next lower partial than the one I'm on. Last week we had spring break, so I took a few days off to see if it was just that my embrochure was worn out, but I'm still in the same predicament. I've tried playing as much as I can from 3rd space C and higher, but after about a half hour I'm worthless on anything above that C for the rest of the day. It's to the point where I just don't know what to do about it anymore because I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable as I play with my increasing unreliability in that register. Any advice and or ideas as to what could be the problem would be wonderful. Thank you! Julia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Julia, I am neither experienced horn player nor experienced horn teacher, but I can tell you from other experiences in my life, especially with exercise (and playing the horn is, after all, exercising part of your body), sucess begets success and failure begets failure. I say this because I think your idea of playing high as much as you can until you're worn out is a very bad one. Practice playing high only for as long as it brings you good results, then stop at the first signs of fatigue. Of course, you may work on your high register, but don't work yourself to the point of exhaustion. Always stop feeling like you had more high notes in the bank if you'd needed them. You may practice this way several times per day, however, and doing so should increase your endurance. Your goal should be to increase the total quality playing time each week, and the trick to achieving quality is to work hard but to keep the sessions within your capacity at all times. If you feel you must push yourself to the limit sometimes, do it relatively rarely, perhaps once every couple of weeks at most. -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of Julia Hencken Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:40 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] range problems For the past year I've been having problems keeping my high range consistent. I can't ever guarantee that I'll be able to play high on a day-to-day basis. My instructor, Dr. Casey, has given me some exercises to try and people have suggested different things for me to do when I practice, but nothing seems to work. I actually think my high range has gotten worse since I started trying to work on it. When I try to put more air through my horn for support, I slip down to the next lower partial than the one I'm on. Last week we had spring break, so I took a few days off to see if it was just that my embrochure was worn out, but I'm still in the same predicament. I've tried playing as much as I can from 3rd space C and higher, but after about a half hour I'm worthless on anything above that C for the rest of the day. It's to the point where I just don't know what to do about it anymore because I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable as I play with my increasing unreliability in that register. Any advice and or ideas as to what could be the problem would be wonderful. Thank you! Julia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc omputer.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Range
About a month of two ago I posted a message about buying a new Holton 281. This is something of a follow-up to that message. Last Wednesday, I was doing a normal practice routine and was working on scales which have been a problem for me. My instructor has told me that I should have learned them before, and then I wouldn't have to learn them now, and I wish I had learned them before. Anyway, I was amazed when I was able to play a four octave C scale. I was amazed and figured that it was just a freak occurrence and played it over and over feeling great playing two C's below middle C all the way up to two C's above it. Then I went on a marching band trip. I had signed up for the trip thinking that it was not a marching trip. So, I had to play mellophone for about a week (ugh). I got home friday and played on Saturday and It just about came out. Sunday it was cleaner, and today it sounded pretty good. I'm wondering is this related to the newness of the horn, or to playing scales over and over, or the alignment of planets, or something stranger? I have not changed mouthpieces or anything in my playing other than adjusting to a Holton 281 from a Conn 6D. Will this range go away, I would appreciate any responses at all. Thank you, William Foss _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Clayton, here: William Foss wrote: About a month of two ago I posted a message about buying a new Holton 281. snip Anyway, I was amazed when I was able to play a four octave C scale. snip I have not changed mouthpieces or anything in my playing other than adjusting to a Holton 281 from a Conn 6D. Will this range go away, I would appreciate any responses at all. At the risk of sounding trite, may I suggest that perhaps you could borrow a Conn 6D and re-check your home on the range! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
