[Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
On Jun 3, 2008, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 11 date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:07:46 -0700 from: Richard V. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil Ah, well. Another illusion shattered. If that was just a mock recording session, then think of the terrible example it will give future aspiring hornplayers! Still pretty sanguine, though. Never knew what Alan Civil looked like. Should have googled his image first before assuming. Richard in Seattle Hi all, Alan Civil was a big man, in many ways- a giant, really. I guess the easiest way to describe him was that he looked a lot like the standard version of Santa Claus, only taller. He was a truly unique person, who could play like an angel and do standup comedy at he drop of a hat. I saw him a few times at IHS things and his stories of Dennis Brain and his life in the London music scene were hilarious and telling. He had that classic British dry sense of humor. If there were two master classes scheduled together, everyone went to Civil's. He had the most beautiful sound I have ever heard, live. He played a lot on a single Bb Alex, that looked tiny when he held it up to play. His tone was full and incredibly resonant and he never let up with his air or played crassly (unless there was a joke involved). He reached out with his tone and musicality to fill the room. He truly sang on the horn. Every move he made with his horn was about the sound and the music. He loved to play his quartet arrangements of popular songs and other classical things and they usually had a little musical joke to go with them. He would lecture on Mozart and phrasing in the afternoon and then go out on stage with the orchestra that night and do it completely differently- always beautiful and spontaneous. His favorite expression after a master class or concert; Lets go have a pint, shall we. Funny and friendly to us, as young players, I loved the guy and his playing. Inspiration for a lifetime. We need more people like him today. The world is a colder place without him. Sincerely, Wendell Rider For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing, the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
It, or at least portions of it, were indeed overdubbed. Notice the way Paul moves around the vocal microphone. If that were a real recording, you would have heard him sound dramatically different as he moved. Especially with that microphone. The sync issues *could* be due to a mis-sync between audio and video frame rates, but it doesn't seem consistent like that. Also, there are microphones aimed completely wrong within the studio. Some might say well, they're probably just extra mics... In a studio that small, people don't typically leave extra mics out. Not only is it a safety issue, it would be an issue of a danger to the mics. (I see some Coles ribbon mics - VERY sensitive and VERY fragile and VERY expensive. You wouldn't just leave those out. A sneeze or a door opening too quickly could destroy them). It is thoroughly enjoyable though. Quoting Carlisle Landel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the music was indeed dubbed in. Look at the failure to sync sound and music at the very end; more importantly note that at the start, the string track comes in *before* anyone starts playing. Still, you've got to love the image, illusory or not, of Jeff Bryant* showing up and putting his horn together as the music starts, *without* any background noise (!!) and then nailing the part! Carlisle *as identified by other list members--I have no expertise here. On Jun 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Wendell Rider wrote: On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
Apropos the Alan Civil/Paul McCartney YouTube video: how cool is it to open up your case and assemble your horn AFTER the recording session starts and then pop out that horn obbligato? An amazing professional. Richard in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
Are you sure that was Alan Civil on the video? Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
I think it's Jeff Bryant too. lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
Lou Denaro contributes this information about the session: There's a For No One thread on Hornplayer.net right now. Nobody's mentioning my favorite anecdote about that session. Namely, after they finally got Civil to manage recording a take, Paul wanted him to do another so he could play it better, whereby George Martin pulled Paul aside and gently persuaded him to let it be. I wish I was the proverbial fly on the wall for that one! In any case, the various Beatle recording diaries document the original recording and speeding up on play back process. And I believe Jeff Bryant played this lick on his descant in the For No One sequence in Give My Regards to the Broadstreet. There's a continuity problem in that sequence, as Jeff can be seen showing up for the session late in the completed film (Paul asks where's Jeff) and he's scene entering the studio and saying hello, thereafter he is sitting with his horn and ready to play, but just afterwards you can catch a brief glimpse of him standing and removing his bike helmet before setting himself up (it's reflected on the glass pane seperating the control room from the musicians and is an obvious continuity error). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
Ah, well. Another illusion shattered. If that was just a mock recording session, then think of the terrible example it will give future aspiring hornplayers! Still pretty sanguine, though. Never knew what Alan Civil looked like. Should have googled his image first before assuming. Richard in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
I think the music was indeed dubbed in. Look at the failure to sync sound and music at the very end; more importantly note that at the start, the string track comes in *before* anyone starts playing. Still, you've got to love the image, illusory or not, of Jeff Bryant* showing up and putting his horn together as the music starts, *without* any background noise (!!) and then nailing the part! Carlisle *as identified by other list members--I have no expertise here. On Jun 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Wendell Rider wrote: On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 7 date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:28:44 EDT from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil Are you sure that was Alan Civil on the video? Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk Its not Civil. Its not the original recording session. This was done years later as part of a movie/album called Give My Regards to Broad Street that McCartney did on his own in 1984. Pretty cool playing! Knowing the movie business, one might be suspicious that the sound was dubbed in, but I am not saying it was or that it was from someone other than Jeff Bryant. Sincerely, Wendell Rider For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing, the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
Alan Civil used mostly a Alexander single B flat, and a high F would certainly have been within his capabilties. Pete Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUosi1xAVayYCFAqpgVGqUVDSV9agEbpl3CmLfa3179KJG/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
