[Hornlist] Re: Book on stage fright and mental aspects of playingHorn List

2004-04-26 Thread Paul Kampen
Message text written by The Horn List
>Cousins in his funny book "On Playing the Horn" 
suggests a small Drink before Playing. I'm not sure that in the long 
Time, that is very clever, though!
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Dear All

'Farky' Cousins (now 86 years young) may be what some people would call an
'English eccentric' (from a family of high ranking clergymen) but he is
also a man of phenomenal intelligence, witty, erudite, highly literate and
highly educated.  He makes no bones about the fact that nerves finished his
playing career.  However, I do not think that his comment about 'a little
something' should be taken too seriously.  

In my days as a Health and Safety Representative - going to conferences,
courses, reading and writing reports etc., I was once taken very seriously
to task by a VERY famous clarinet player (long since retired).  He waxed
lyrical about the use of prescription drugs to combat nerves (propranolol,
inderal, beta blockers - whatever you like to call them).  He reeled off a
list of famous orchestral players of the 30s and 40s (people still well
known to historians of orchestras) saying "they could only play in front of
an audience if they were drunk - blind drunk! - and they played well" 
Whether this is true or not I am not qualified to say.  But I know that
there are some orchestras over here where the use of beta blockers is rife
and this has led to disquiet from some quarters who opine that "you can't
go for a pint before the show, but it is OK to go on full of potentially
dangerous drugs!"

Perhaps Farquharson Cousins should have the last word - I once hear him say
that "you have got to get into the right frame of mind;  if Oberon is
coming up, either you panic or you say - Oberon, lovely Oberon!"  And the
way that he said "Oberon, lovely Oberon" made it clear that all those
Oberons which he must have played in the 50s and 60s were a very precious
memory to him.

Cheers

Paul A. Kampen - 4th horn, Orchestra of Opera North (Leeds UK)
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[Hornlist] Re: Book on stage fright and mental aspects of playingHorn List

2004-04-24 Thread Benno Heinemann
Hallo,

I was very interested to read Prof Pizka's thoughts on nervosity in the 
Orchestra.

I think, of course he is right when he writes:

If one is suffering of stage fright, he or she should look for the
sources.


but isn't the purpose of this Book exactly that to find the Sources or 
a possible source?

So I don't think it's quite right to say Books won't help probably or 
not much.
True one can get too nervous if made to do a Task which is too 
difficult. Not always though, as many Horn players
also do bad even without being nervous.
Conversely, one can also get too excited even when the task is not at 
all difficult, the only Obstacle being then the Nervosity itsself. Even 
in the Amateur Orchestra if that is where it happens.

True one should not attempt Things which one clearly can't do, not in 
Public anyway. And a good Teacher will advise against this. But not to 
assume that because Someone is nervous the Job is too hard for them.

Those good players who struggle with nervosity have a heavier job than 
the others and sometimes still bring better results when they overcome 
it.

But you have to get all into a certain routine. If you know, things 
will
go easy (depends on your experience & fundamental preparation), why
thinking of stage fright ?
Also sometimes the Stagefright also comes when one is not thinking or 
expecting of it. Even when well enough prepared.


Quit alcohol totally two weeks before the audition, the examination, 
the
concert, - means no beer, no wine, no liquor, no cocktail, absolutely
NONE. Watch how your nerves improve. Ooops, the nervousity & resulting
stage fright are not gone ??? But your brain is able now to control it.
That's the point.
This unfortunately (perhaps fortunately!!) makes I think no difference 
for me. I think F. Cousins in his funny book "On Playing the Horn" 
suggests a small Drink before Playing. I'm not sure that in the long 
Time, that is very clever, though!

Thinking of Sauerkraut is a good idea which I will try next Time.

 One has to like to be the center of the
spectacle, one has to like to be the engine of something (Schumann). 
But
stage fright just sitting in the amateur orchestra ? Why ? If the task
is too high for you, delegate this task to the person who has no
problem. It is more fun to part of the whole thing, than to fail as a
leader of a section just because of stage fright. Supporting the better
ones is big fun also.
True one needs a certain Personality Aspect to be a soloist, but think 
of how many Solo players you know and how different Personalities they 
all have. Don't give up because of excitement. That's a Problem you can 
help by trying to change yourself, and this book may help. It is not 
yet time to condem yourself unless you turn into uncontrollered jelly 
ever time someone listens to you play middle C.

Lots of experiences playing in public will be a certain help for the 
Nerves, but may not be adressing a more ground Problem which, if 
adressed, may help better.

It's always good to play second next to a good first, even for normal 
high Players, and one can learn much. I was lucky to play second in 
Beethoven's Nr. 4 Yesterday. A Reminder that there can be moments of 
nervosity for the lower Players too!

Sorry not to agree absolutely with Hans Pizka!

greetings

Benno Heinemann

Germany

(PS: I bought the book by Amazon and I'll write after what I think when 
I read it)

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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Book on stage fright and mental aspects of playingHorn List

2004-04-22 Thread Hans
There are better things working against stage fright than books written
mostly by people suffering from stage fright & never have conquered that
defect.

If one is suffering of stage fright, he or she should look for the
sources.

Shy person, shy to produce oneself in front of a crowd
Here books might help a bit, but not much

People reaching out for the apples before they have arrived at the tree.
Here the source for stage fright is the fact that the approach a task
without having build up the foundation yet. The task is much too early,
so no wonder about stage fright.
With a careful teacher, a real teacher, an understanding teacher, they
might master it by reducing their ambition to tasks which fit for their
actual abilities.

People who like to impress others by playing terrible difficult (high &
fast) pieces (which they don’t like themselves), much exaggerating their
own abilities.
No help for all the future. These people wont change their attitudes.

Quit alcohol totally two weeks before the audition, the examination, the
concert, - means no beer, no wine, no liquor, no cocktail, absolutely
NONE. Watch how your nerves improve. Ooops, the nervousity & resulting
stage fright are not gone ??? But your brain is able now to control it.
That´s the point.

Just think "sauerkraut" - "sauerkraut" & "sauerkraut" again, if emotions
try to sweep you from the stage. See the audience as "cabbage heads"
(sorry, my friend) or just coloured bubbles in the theatre. Believe me,
it helps.

But you have to get all into a certain routine. If you know, things will
go easy (depends on your experience & fundamental preparation), why
thinking of stage fright ? 

Books wont help much ! One has to like to be the center of the
spectacle, one has to like to be the engine of something (Schumann). But
stage fright just sitting in the amateur orchestra ? Why ? If the task
is too high for you, delegate this task to the person who has no
problem. It is more fun to part of the whole thing, than to fail as a
leader of a section just because of stage fright. Supporting the better
ones is big fun also.




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