Re: [Hornlist] Re: for no one
Thanks martin as I post earlier,its a D after C3 as seen on You tube with Jeff Bryant and his paxman, very funny the manner he assemble his horn in time for the solo part,Paul is singing already the strings are playing and if its recording,they may record the skweak of the detachable bell being put on the body of the horn. --- On Tue, 6/3/08, Martin Bender lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Martin Bender lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: for no one To: The Horn List lt;horn@music.memphis.edugt; Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 12:47 AM Hmm... not sure where Mr. Rees found his information, but I spoke with Alan Civil about this recording many years ago when he gave a concert in my hometown of the Brahms Trio. He told me the solo went up to a D above high C, and he played it on an Alex descant horn (Bb/high F) in one take. Civil, who was principal horn of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra at the time had been hired by George Martin, and it was Martin himself who wrote out the part as Paul could neither write nor read music. Incidentally, John and George did not participate when the Paul recorded this tune on 09 May, 1966; the horn part was added later (on the 19 May that same year) using an overdub with George Martin at the console.* You can see a studio take of a more recent version of this tune in the film Give my regards to Broadstreet -- I believe it's Jeff Bryant playing the obligato horn part, and he clearly goes up to a high D (watch his fingering using his Paxman descant Bb/high F) and does a great job of it. Hope this clears up some of the confusion, martin bender *recording information derived from Ultimate Beatles Encyclopaedia, The; Harry, Bill; 1st published in Great Britain in 1992 by Virgin Books; pg. 248-- see entry entitled For No One On 1-Jun-08, at 8:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gt; Jasper Rees in his recent book I Found My Horn discusses this gt; Beatles tune, and Alan Civil (who recorded the horn part). It gt; apparently goes up to high E. However the tape was sped up when gt; making the transfer to disk, which makes it sound like high F. gt; Regards. gt; ___ gt; post: horn@music.memphis.edu gt; unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca gt; ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornep2000%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: For No One
And of course,its a movie and maybe jeff is just on a playback of alan civil's recording... --- On Tue, 6/3/08, Max Bygrave lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Max Bygrave lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: For No One To: horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 5:50 AM For No One: Jeff Bryant from the film Give My Regards To BroadStreet Best part of the movie !! Max [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornep2000%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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If you had compared this video to the original recording you would notice enough differences in the arrangement and in Alan Civil's playing to not come to that conclusion. Steven Ovitsky Nepthalie Villanueva wrote: And of course,its a movie and maybe jeff is just on a playback of alan civil's recording... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Sorry - I should have written ... not made that suggestion. Steve Ovitsky And of course, its a movie and maybe jeff is just on a playback of alan civil's recording... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: for no one
Well there was a story about Gershwin I heard many years ago that went something like this. Somebody may be able to fill in the details. The way I heard it was that at some point after he was established as a composer he decided that it was time for him to learn proper orchestration techniques. So he applied to a well-known composition instructor (in the Paris Conservatory, I believe). The instructor asked Gershwin how much money he made the previous year to which he replied $20,000 (a huge amount back then). The instructor then replied that Gershwin should teach him how to orchestrate. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kit Wolf Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:25 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: for no one Thanks for your information; I found out that Paul taught himself to read and write music in order to be able to produce his Requiem, which was premiered some time ago. I heard that he had a team of people that he hummed/sang to, who wrote it down for him. e.g. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3D91E3FF933A05753C1A9679 58260 I don't mean this disparagingly - whatever works. At university here there's a folk music course, and many of the students have the measure of the classically trained musicians in terms of virtuosity even though I understand they learned to play without reading music. Kit ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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This is usually atrributed to Ravel. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gershwin On 6/3/08, Computer Intelligence LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well there was a story about Gershwin I heard many years ago that went something like this. Somebody may be able to fill in the details. The way I heard it was that at some point after he was established as a composer he decided that it was time for him to learn proper orchestration techniques. So he applied to a well-known composition instructor (in the Paris Conservatory, I believe). The instructor asked Gershwin how much money he made the previous year to which he replied $20,000 (a huge amount back then). The instructor then replied that Gershwin should teach him how to orchestrate. [snip] -- Jonell Lindholm Reisterstown MD USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Gershwin asked Ravel and I am pretty certain the number was $100,000 A huge sum ... Swanee (sp?) was a huge hit. Debbie Schmidt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Jonell Lindholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is usually atrributed to Ravel. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gershwin On 6/3/08, Computer Intelligence LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well there was a story about Gershwin I heard many years ago that went something like this. Somebody may be able to fill in the details. The way I heard it was that at some point after he was established as a composer he decided that it was time for him to learn proper orchestration techniques. So he applied to a well-known composition instructor (in the Paris Conservatory, I believe). The instructor asked Gershwin how much money he made the previous year to which he replied $20,000 (a huge amount back then). The instructor then replied that Gershwin should teach him how to orchestrate. [snip] -- Jonell Lindholm Reisterstown MD USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jasoncat%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Well, as long as you put a ? after sp, the correct spelling is Suwanee, as in the river. I was just down upon it this past weekend. However, Swanee is the correct name of the song as penned by Gershwin. I believe Stephen Foster also spelled it Swanee. Why sing three syllables, when you only want to sing two? Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: Debbie Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 1:12 pm Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: for no one Gershwin asked Ravel and I am pretty certain the number was $100,000 A huge sum ... Swanee (sp?) was a huge hit. Debbie Schmidt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Jonell Lindholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is usually atrributed to Ravel. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gershwin On 6/3/08, Computer Intelligence LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well there was a story about Gershwin I heard many years ago that went something like this. Somebody may be able to fill in the details. The way I heard it was that at some point after he was established as a composer he decided that it was time for him to learn proper orchestration techniques. So he applied to a well-known composition instructor (in the Paris Conservatory, I believe). The instructor asked Gershwin how much money he made the previous year to which he replied $20,000 (a huge amount back then). The instructor then replied that Gershwin should teach him how to orchestrate. [snip] -- Jonell Lindholm Reisterstown MD USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jasoncat%40aol.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: for no one
Hmm... not sure where Mr. Rees found his information, but I spoke with Alan Civil about this recording many years ago when he gave a concert in my hometown of the Brahms Trio. He told me the solo went up to a D above high C, and he played it on an Alex descant horn (Bb/high F) in one take. Civil, who was principal horn of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra at the time had been hired by George Martin, and it was Martin himself who wrote out the part as Paul could neither write nor read music. Incidentally, John and George did not participate when the Paul recorded this tune on 09 May, 1966; the horn part was added later (on the 19 May that same year) using an overdub with George Martin at the console.* You can see a studio take of a more recent version of this tune in the film Give my regards to Broadstreet -- I believe it's Jeff Bryant playing the obligato horn part, and he clearly goes up to a high D (watch his fingering using his Paxman descant Bb/high F) and does a great job of it. Hope this clears up some of the confusion, martin bender *recording information derived from Ultimate Beatles Encyclopaedia, The; Harry, Bill; 1st published in Great Britain in 1992 by Virgin Books; pg. 248-- see entry entitled For No One On 1-Jun-08, at 8:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jasper Rees in his recent book I Found My Horn discusses this Beatles tune, and Alan Civil (who recorded the horn part). It apparently goes up to high E. However the tape was sped up when making the transfer to disk, which makes it sound like high F. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Here is the Wikipedia.org entry on For No One. I don't know how accurate it is. Some of it sounds like it might be legend: McCartney recalls writing For No One in the bathroom of a ski resort in the Swiss Alps.[2] He said, I suspect it was about another argument.[3] The song's working title was Why Did It Die.[4] The song was recorded on May 9, 16 and 19, 1966. McCartney sang, played clavichord (rented from George Martin's AIR company), piano, and bass, while Ringo Starr played drums and tambourine. Lennon and George Harrison did not contribute to the recording.[5] The French-horn solo was by Alan Civil, a British horn player.[5] Prior to the session, Civil thought he was playing for a classical album, mistaking the words For No One on a lead sheet as For No. One, an abbreviation for Symphony Number One.[citation needed] During the session, McCartney pushed Civil to play a note that was beyond the usual range of the instrument (pitched on an F horn, it is a Super-D sharp, that is, an octave above the standard 'high D#'). The result was the performance of his life, high praise for someone who was known as the best French horn player in London at the time.[6] Martin Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... not sure where Mr. Rees found his information, but I spoke with Alan Civil about this recording many years ago when he gave a concert in my hometown of the Brahms Trio. He told me the solo went up to a D above high C, and he played it on an Alex descant horn (Bb/high F) in one take. Civil, who was principal horn of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra at the time had been hired by George Martin, and it was Martin himself who wrote out the part as Paul could neither write nor read music. Incidentally, John and George did not participate when the Paul recorded this tune on 09 May, 1966; the horn part was added later (on the 19 May that same year) using an overdub with George Martin at the console.* You can see a studio take of a more recent version of this tune in the film Give my regards to Broadstreet -- I believe it's Jeff Bryant playing the obligato horn part, and he clearly goes up to a high D (watch his fingering using his Paxman descant Bb/high F) and does a great job of it. Hope this clears up some of the confusion, martin bender *recording information derived from Ultimate Beatles Encyclopaedia, The; Harry, Bill; 1st published in Great Britain in 1992 by Virgin Books; pg. 248-- see entry entitled For No One On 1-Jun-08, at 8:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jasper Rees in his recent book I Found My Horn discusses this Beatles tune, and Alan Civil (who recorded the horn part). It apparently goes up to high E. However the tape was sped up when making the transfer to disk, which makes it sound like high F. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/golfduder%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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In a message dated 6/2/2008 12:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Orchestra at the time had been hired by George Martin, and it was Martin himself who wrote out the part as Paul could neither write nor read music. Hi Martin, Actually, none of the Beatles could read music. Paul McCartney eventually taught himself sometime after the breakup. Regards,Jerry in Kansas City. **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod000302) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hi Jerry, Thanks for your information; I found out that Paul taught himself to read and write music in order to be able to produce his Requiem, which was premiered some time ago. Amazing ears, though! Sincerely, martin On 2-Jun-08, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/2/2008 12:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Orchestra at the time had been hired by George Martin, and it was Martin himself who wrote out the part as Paul could neither write nor read music. Hi Martin, Actually, none of the Beatles could read music. Paul McCartney eventually taught himself sometime after the breakup. Regards,Jerry in Kansas City. **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4;? NCID=aolfod000302) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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For No One: Jeff Bryant from the film Give My Regards To BroadStreet Best part of the movie !! Max [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: for no one
Thanks for your information; I found out that Paul taught himself to read and write music in order to be able to produce his Requiem, which was premiered some time ago. I heard that he had a team of people that he hummed/sang to, who wrote it down for him. e.g. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3D91E3FF933A05753C1A967958260 I don't mean this disparagingly - whatever works. At university here there's a folk music course, and many of the students have the measure of the classically trained musicians in terms of virtuosity even though I understand they learned to play without reading music. Kit ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: for no one
Jasper Rees in his recent book I Found My Horn discusses this Beatles tune, and Alan Civil (who recorded the horn part). It apparently goes up to high E. However the tape was sped up when making the transfer to disk, which makes it sound like high F. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
