Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn on leg
Sorry, I was not aware of the possibility of misunderstanding. Heribert Kröger -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Prof.Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 8. November 2002 18:51 Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn on leg Dear Heribert Kroeger, you seem not to understand, that one cannot talk about unregular face muscles irregular teeth positions, when discussing the leadpipe - angle to front teeth axis, as this would be endless. I had stated how the angle should be if everything is regular (average !). But finding the own position, where one feels comfortable, that is not the way. Looking for a most correct position combined with some relaxed holding position is a much better way. Students should become used to upright, alert, still musclewise relaxed AND correct angle enabling positions MUST be pointed to the advantage they might gain for their playing. Most young people are quite lazy regarding body positioning posturing. But the better one controls the body the more alertness we might expect. Think about that re-think it again before answering just from your particular experience with your students. There are more in the world I have seen dozens of schools around the world, taught enough young players elder players, professionals amateurs, to get a valid conclusion. The defects are to be found everywhere, but less often in body conscious societies, not to be mixed up with sportive or jogging societies. Mens sane in corpore sane ! a healthy brain in a healty body ! This is also valid for horn players. .. Heribert Kröger [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I don't know this book, however, why should there be only one correct face-to-mouthpiece angle? I think, every horn player must find the mouthpiece position, that works best especially for him, due to his facial contures, position of theeth etc. However, I prefer an upright position of my body and my head. Since I do so, the pain in my back has vanished. I think, adjusting the horn to the hornplayer is better than adjusting the hornplayer to the horn. To find out, what horn position is the best one for oneself, it can help to play on the mouthpiece only, but over the entire range, in front of a mirror or being watched by another person. The face-to-mouthpiece angle, that works best when playing on the mouthpiece only, will also work best when playing the horn. I have tried this several times, especially with young horn players. Cordially Heribert Kröger -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Brent Shires [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 8. November 2002 03:55 Betreff: [Hornlist] Re: Horn on leg Jay, the biggest issue has to do with face-to-mouthpiece angle, and subsequent pressure on the top lip. ... I always point my students to this great book I've found, offred through the Carles Colin Conference for Brass Scholarships, called Chops. You can clearly see all these professional gigging brass players and their embouchures. About 90% of the hornists have the proper angle for great range, flexibility and endurance - somewhere around a 45° downward angle or so. I ask them, If this is the standard in New York, and it's working for all of them, can you really argue against it? ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn on leg
Dear Heribert Kroeger, you seem not to understand, that one cannot talk about unregular face muscles irregular teeth positions, when discussing the leadpipe - angle to front teeth axis, as this would be endless. I had stated how the angle should be if everything is regular (average !). But finding the own position, where one feels comfortable, that is not the way. Looking for a most correct position combined with some relaxed holding position is a much better way. Students should become used to upright, alert, still musclewise relaxed AND correct angle enabling positions MUST be pointed to the advantage they might gain for their playing. Most young people are quite lazy regarding body positioning posturing. But the better one controls the body the more alertness we might expect. Think about that re-think it again before answering just from your particular experience with your students. There are more in the world I have seen dozens of schools around the world, taught enough young players elder players, professionals amateurs, to get a valid conclusion. The defects are to be found everywhere, but less often in body conscious societies, not to be mixed up with sportive or jogging societies. Mens sane in corpore sane ! a healthy brain in a healty body ! This is also valid for horn players. .. Heribert Kröger [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I don't know this book, however, why should there be only one correct face-to-mouthpiece angle? I think, every horn player must find the mouthpiece position, that works best especially for him, due to his facial contures, position of theeth etc. However, I prefer an upright position of my body and my head. Since I do so, the pain in my back has vanished. I think, adjusting the horn to the hornplayer is better than adjusting the hornplayer to the horn. To find out, what horn position is the best one for oneself, it can help to play on the mouthpiece only, but over the entire range, in front of a mirror or being watched by another person. The face-to-mouthpiece angle, that works best when playing on the mouthpiece only, will also work best when playing the horn. I have tried this several times, especially with young horn players. Cordially Heribert Kröger -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Brent Shires [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 8. November 2002 03:55 Betreff: [Hornlist] Re: Horn on leg Jay, the biggest issue has to do with face-to-mouthpiece angle, and subsequent pressure on the top lip. ... I always point my students to this great book I've found, offred through the Carles Colin Conference for Brass Scholarships, called Chops. You can clearly see all these professional gigging brass players and their embouchures. About 90% of the hornists have the proper angle for great range, flexibility and endurance - somewhere around a 45° downward angle or so. I ask them, If this is the standard in New York, and it's working for all of them, can you really argue against it? ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Horn on leg
Jay Kosta wrote: I would like to hear more about Hans' comment - is this a well known problem with playing on-the-knee(leg)? What posture and/or righthand technique is used for good high register intonation by on-the-leg players? Do OFF-the-leg players adjust their upper- body posture for the range they are playing? Jay, the biggest issue has to do with face-to-mouthpiece angle, and subsequent pressure on the top lip. Many players I deal with at the high school and college level have never been exposed to the idea that proper basic embouchure requires no top lip pressure, at least not beyond what it takes to seal the airflow inside the mouthpiece. These students often started out on horn being told to put the bell on the leg for practical reasons of weight and effort. Many have their heads lowered, digging into the top mouthpiece rim and pressing as hard as possible, often in spite of the pain. They can achieve high range this way, but no stamina or quality tone. As they grow older, and their torsos expand, their posture doesn't accommodate the change which occurs in the leadpipe angle. As a result, these students are seen playing leaning forward, bells planted on the leg, still with the top lip deeply anchored on the top rim. Albeit with no endurance, these players still manage to play high and impress people, allowing them to survive in municipal bands and community orchestras where sometimes tenure is only about seniority and politics. I always point my students to this great book I've found, offred through the Carles Colin Conference for Brass Scholarships, called Chops. You can clearly see all these professional gigging brass players and their embouchures. About 90% of the hornists have the proper angle for great range, flexibility and endurance - somewhere around a 45° downward angle or so. I ask them, If this is the standard in New York, and it's working for all of them, can you really argue against it? I'll leave it to someone else to answer about the right hand-- Hope it helps more than hurts- Brent Brent A. Shires, Instructor of Horn University of Central Arkansas: Conway, AR 72035 Phone: 501-450-5768 Fax: 501-450-5773 Web: http://www.uca.edu/divisions/academic/arts/music/faculty/bshires.htm 3rd Horn Arkansas Symphony Orchestra; Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp Horn Instructor; IHS Regional Workshop Coordinator Arkansas Area Rep.; Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia Province 4 Governor ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
