Re: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
I happened to look it up and the Naxos is available by subscription or by download, and its not available on Cd. In a message dated 2/23/09 8:09:29 PM, rjmartz.li...@att.net writes: > The Schoenberg quintet is available on NAXOS ...but not in the U.S. > > http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=9.80263 > > ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
The Schoenberg quintet is available on NAXOS ...but not in the U.S. http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=9.80263 -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection -- Original message from "Bill Gross" : -- > After a trip to the sub-basement of Jack Benny's vault I found a LP of the > Schoenberg Quintet for Wind Instruments op 26. That is the only work on the > LP with movements 1 & 2 on side ONE and movements # & 4 on side TWO. > No other work is on the LP. > > The LP is a Columbia Masterworks ML 5172. > > Kincaid - Flutist > De Lancie - Oboist > Giglotti - Clarinetist > Schoenbach - Bassoonist > Jones - French Horn Player > > > -Original Message- > From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu > [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of > Daniel B. Hrdy > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:11 PM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones > > I have the Boston Records 4 CD set, which are re-issues of Columbia > recordings. They do not include the Schoenberg etc. I don't know if those > will ever be re-issued, so you might have to keep on looking. > > Dan > > > > date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:59:05 -0800 > from: "Robert Dickow" > subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones > > Dan, I'm still looking for the Columbia Records recording of the Philly > Quintet with Mason of course, playing the Schoenberg on side 1 and the > Ornette Coleman Quintet (!!) on the other. Seems to be a hard one to find, > because I sure can't. > > Bob Dickow > Lionel Hampton School of Music > University of Idaho > > -Original Message- > > Coincidentally, I have just finished listening to all the "Original > Philadelphia Woodwind Quintet" recordings with Mason Jones. What a player. > So delicate, with perfect ensemble playing. And I hear he was pretty good > orchesterally too. > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rjmartz.lists%40att.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
After a trip to the sub-basement of Jack Benny's vault I found a LP of the Schoenberg Quintet for Wind Instruments op 26. That is the only work on the LP with movements 1 & 2 on side ONE and movements # & 4 on side TWO. No other work is on the LP. The LP is a Columbia Masterworks ML 5172. Kincaid - Flutist De Lancie - Oboist Giglotti - Clarinetist Schoenbach - Bassoonist Jones - French Horn Player -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel B. Hrdy Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:11 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones I have the Boston Records 4 CD set, which are re-issues of Columbia recordings. They do not include the Schoenberg etc. I don't know if those will ever be re-issued, so you might have to keep on looking. Dan date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:59:05 -0800 from: "Robert Dickow" subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Dan, I'm still looking for the Columbia Records recording of the Philly Quintet with Mason of course, playing the Schoenberg on side 1 and the Ornette Coleman Quintet (!!) on the other. Seems to be a hard one to find, because I sure can't. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho -Original Message- Coincidentally, I have just finished listening to all the "Original Philadelphia Woodwind Quintet" recordings with Mason Jones. What a player. So delicate, with perfect ensemble playing. And I hear he was pretty good orchesterally too. > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
I have the Boston Records 4 CD set, which are re-issues of Columbia recordings. They do not include the Schoenberg etc. I don't know if those will ever be re-issued, so you might have to keep on looking. Dan date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:59:05 -0800 from: "Robert Dickow" subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Dan, I'm still looking for the Columbia Records recording of the Philly Quintet with Mason of course, playing the Schoenberg on side 1 and the Ornette Coleman Quintet (!!) on the other. Seems to be a hard one to find, because I sure can't. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho -Original Message- Coincidentally, I have just finished listening to all the "Original Philadelphia Woodwind Quintet" recordings with Mason Jones. What a player. So delicate, with perfect ensemble playing. And I hear he was pretty good orchesterally too. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
Well, I shouldn't write with such certainty, memory being what it is. Maybe that Coleman recording with the Philadelphia WW5 was on Red Seal after all. Bob Dickow -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+dickow=uidaho@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+dickow=uidaho@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Dickow Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:29 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones I used to check out the Schoenberg and Coleman from the Redwood City California public library when I was in high school. I'm pretty sure that it was together on a Columbia album, with only one Coleman piece on the flip side. I agree the Coleman is more of a curiousity, but has historical/aesthetic significance to me. (I did a gig with Ornette for a couple of weeks years ago.). I do recall the Coleman was 'more bizarre' to my ears at the time than the Schoenberg. I thought it was amusingly cool. Bob Dickow -Original Message- Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Bob, are you sure about this? The Coleman recording is on RCA Victor - LSC-2982. It's coupled with 3 other works, all by Coleman. I have that LP. I don't have the Schoenberg recording but I do recall it was on Columbia. I never bought it because I once asked John DeLancie about it and he said it wasn't worth listening to. I later heard that they sight read it on the session with no rehearsals and just cut and pasted until it was done. The Coleman is novel but not particularly interesting. A quick check of Arkivmusic.com showed neither recording currently available. KB In a message dated 2/23/2009 1:02:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horn-requ...@music.memphis.edu writes: message: 12 date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:59:05 -0800 from: "Robert Dickow" subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Dan, I'm still looking for the Columbia Records recording of the Philly Quintet with Mason of course, playing the Schoenberg on side 1 and the Ornette Coleman Quintet (!!) on the other. Seems to be a hard one to find, because I sure can't. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho **Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&n cid=emlcntusyelp0004) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dickow%40uidaho.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dickow%40uidaho.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
I used to check out the Schoenberg and Coleman from the Redwood City California public library when I was in high school. I'm pretty sure that it was together on a Columbia album, with only one Coleman piece on the flip side. I agree the Coleman is more of a curiousity, but has historical/aesthetic significance to me. (I did a gig with Ornette for a couple of weeks years ago.). I do recall the Coleman was 'more bizarre' to my ears at the time than the Schoenberg. I thought it was amusingly cool. Bob Dickow -Original Message----- Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Bob, are you sure about this? The Coleman recording is on RCA Victor - LSC-2982. It's coupled with 3 other works, all by Coleman. I have that LP. I don't have the Schoenberg recording but I do recall it was on Columbia. I never bought it because I once asked John DeLancie about it and he said it wasn't worth listening to. I later heard that they sight read it on the session with no rehearsals and just cut and pasted until it was done. The Coleman is novel but not particularly interesting. A quick check of Arkivmusic.com showed neither recording currently available. KB In a message dated 2/23/2009 1:02:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horn-requ...@music.memphis.edu writes: message: 12 date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:59:05 -0800 from: "Robert Dickow" subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Dan, I'm still looking for the Columbia Records recording of the Philly Quintet with Mason of course, playing the Schoenberg on side 1 and the Ornette Coleman Quintet (!!) on the other. Seems to be a hard one to find, because I sure can't. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho **Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&n cid=emlcntusyelp0004) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dickow%40uidaho.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
Bob, are you sure about this? The Coleman recording is on RCA Victor - LSC-2982. It's coupled with 3 other works, all by Coleman. I have that LP. I don't have the Schoenberg recording but I do recall it was on Columbia. I never bought it because I once asked John DeLancie about it and he said it wasn't worth listening to. I later heard that they sight read it on the session with no rehearsals and just cut and pasted until it was done. The Coleman is novel but not particularly interesting. A quick check of Arkivmusic.com showed neither recording currently available. KB In a message dated 2/23/2009 1:02:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horn-requ...@music.memphis.edu writes: message: 12 date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:59:05 -0800 from: "Robert Dickow" subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Dan, I'm still looking for the Columbia Records recording of the Philly Quintet with Mason of course, playing the Schoenberg on side 1 and the Ornette Coleman Quintet (!!) on the other. Seems to be a hard one to find, because I sure can't. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho **Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp0004) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
Dan, I'm still looking for the Columbia Records recording of the Philly Quintet with Mason of course, playing the Schoenberg on side 1 and the Ornette Coleman Quintet (!!) on the other. Seems to be a hard one to find, because I sure can't. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho -Original Message- Coincidentally, I have just finished listening to all the "Original Philadelphia Woodwind Quintet" recordings with Mason Jones. What a player. So delicate, with perfect ensemble playing. And I hear he was pretty good orchesterally too. Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
Coincidentally, I have just finished listening to all the "Original Philadelphia Woodwind Quintet" recordings with Mason Jones. What a player. So delicate, with perfect ensemble playing. And I hear he was pretty good orchesterally too. Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
Kendall wrote- Personally, I mourn the loss of regional and international "sounds" and lament the generic results attained in the recording industry today. It's all about product now, not music, IMHO. I definitely miss performers such as Lucien Thevet, Gottfried von Freiberg, Domenico Ceccarossi, Georges Barbeteau, Aubrey and Dennis Brain, Alan Civil, Vitaly Buyanovsky, and of course, Mason Jones! . When I want to listen to symphonic music, I listen to re-issues of 78's and LP's of the likes of Stokowski, Bruno Walter, Bernstein, Toscanini, Klemperer, von Karajan, Cluytens, etc. When I want to listen to horn soloists from a "student" perspective these days, I dig out my recordings of Hermann, Dennis and Mason, first. == My former colleague Kendall said it perfectly. The reason I continue restoring and reissuing some of these great horn players' recordings is to preserve the wonderfully varied regional and national styles of horn playing that are now all being homogenized. Sotone Historic Recordings has CDs featuring Mason Jones, John Barrows, Aubrey and Dennis Brain, Gottfried von Freiberg, Miroslav Stefek, Yakov Shapiro, Georges Barboteu, etc.You can hear samples of these recordings at www.sotone.com . There are two new CDs now available, but not yet on the website. CD 114 - Mozart: Sinfonia Concertante, K. 297b and Piano and Wind Quintet, K. 452 with Freiberg and the VPO winds. CD 115 - Georges Barboteu vol. 2 with Schumann Konzertstueck, Haydn Concerto for 2 Horns and 2 Vivaldi Concerti for 2 Horns. Happy listening, Steve Steven Ovitsky Sotone Historic Recordings www.sotone.com 505-231-8212 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Passes
I never heard this story about Mason, directly or personally but if it came from Fred Hinger, there must be truth in it. In the old days of recording the orchestra would play until someone clammed, not necessarily a horn player. If the conductor didn't hear it, you, as a player were supposed to "confess" by raising your hand. If the conductor didn't see you and stop, yelling or more hands going up around the "perp" would ensue. Kicking over a stand might be a last resort and I remember one Philly session when I was there when John DeLancie, the principal oboist, slammed a book on the floor to get Ormandy's attention to stop the orchestra. When I was in the orchestra, Mason was the personnel manager and had to pay his attention beyond playing to keeping a time log. He did "confess" from time to time, though, just like everyone else. Recordings were a cut and paste affair in the days of analog tape. You'd play until a clam, stop, back up and continue. There might be a few patches after the piece or movement was finished. Rarely did you play straight through without a clam stop. Since the late 80's with the advent of digital recording you generally play through the piece several times. If the producer/conductor/engineer feel that they don't have everything they need at that point, a few patches might be done or another whole run through. They generally pick the best overall performance and edit it from the other takes. Once in a while, something goes great and needs no editing. This happened in MN when we recorded "Don Juan" with Eiji Oue. We ran it down, everyone was happy, and the release is truly "live and unedited." The plus side now is "cleaner" technical product. The negative side is that in the old days, you needed a damn fine group of musicians to make decent recordings. Now, any bunch of hacks can get a "great" recording given enough time (and money). What this has done, along with other changes in the business (most notably the lack of full time music directors with any kind of vision beyond their own jet-set careers) is to destroy the individuality of orchestras, worldwide. Personally, I mourn the loss of regional and international "sounds" and lament the generic results attained in the recording industry today. It's all about product now, not music, IMHO. I definitely miss performers such as Lucien Thevet, Gottfried von Freiberg, Domenico Ceccarossi, Georges Barbeteau, Aubrey and Dennis Brain, Alan Civil, Vitaly Buyanovsky, and of course, Mason Jones! It is a continuing delight (and education) for me, though, to hear Hermann Baumann perform when he comes to KBHC! I encourage all serious horn players to get old recordings of both soloists and orchestras and study these styles and learn why they played the way they did. I feel that there is now a certain emotional element missing from most new recordings and you can't be sure of the performers' technical skills, either, sue to the editing capabilities in our digital age. It's not quite sampled midi yet but it seems to get closer to that all the time. When is the last time you heard live musicians on a jingle? I will say, though, that the Vienna Philharmonic has retained it's individuality better than any other, for some very obvious reasons such as the Vienna horns and oboes. The most obvious, though, is the dogged determination of its musicians to maintain their traditions of playing. What other orchestra places the snare drummer in the clarinet section and then the guy plays his part like he's in a chamber group in regard to balance? NO ONE! Ah, don't get me started! When I want to listen to symphonic music, I listen to re-issues of 78's and LP's of the likes of Stokowski, Bruno Walter, Bernstein, Toscanini, Klemperer, von Karajan, Cluytens, etc. When I want to listen to horn soloists from a "student" perspective these days, I dig out my recordings of Hermann, Dennis and Mason, first. I do like this idea now that the LSO and Berlin are doing in offering recordings of live performances both in the hall and on line. It is difficult to tell them apart on recordings, though, these days. I always liked, despite the obvious stress, that in MN we went out live on MPR every Friday night though I think there was some editing done for the national re-broadcasts on NPR by using tapes of the other performances of the week. I would hope that serious students who perhaps can't attend live orchestra concerts on a regular basis would avail themselves the opportunity to hear recorded live performances, though. There really is no substitute for hearing an orchestra live, though, especially in its home venue. But, then again, I may be just another "Ol' Faht" at this point and "youngins" know best. I report, you decide! KB In a message dated 2/20/2009 1:00:59 P.M. Eastern Standar
