RE: [Hornlist] Re: Opinion on Bach horns

2008-06-05 Thread Linda
Thanks, everyone, for your responses. I've passed the info along to my
friend. He's in his mid-30s, and most of his trumpet playing is in church or
community orchestra. Money is probably not a big issue for him, but I'm sure
he wouldn't want to waste it. 

With the suggestions given here, I think he has the tools now to make an
informed decision.

Thanks again!
Linda


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Linda wrote:

A friend of mine who is an amateur trumpet player wants to 
> take up horn. He asked my opinion on Bach horns, but I know 
> nothing about them. He found a double horn for $1,980 with a 
> list price of $3,765. It sounds like a good deal to him 
> financially. I don't believe he has tried playing the horn. 
> 
> Any thoughts on this brand for horn?

Another player on the other list asked a similar question. He had 
switched from a Jupiter to a Bach. Here is my response to him:

Selmer Bach horns were made for a relatively short time. Introduced in 
1977 as the Selmer 77, then I believe as the Bach 1101 a few years 
later. I have worked on one of each. The Selmer had a huge bell and 
played a lot like a Reynolds Chambers model. The Bach has a somewhat 
smaller, but still large, bell and has many of the same playing 
characteristics. Production ceased around 2003-2004. For a couple of 
years Yamaha YHR-567's were being rebranded as Bach's. Last I heard Bach 
doubles are now rebranded King Eroica's.

It sounds like you may have one of the Yamahas. None of the other models 
would be likely to "overblow and get shrill sounding" - the Yamaha has a 
medium bore taper, the others are all large or very large. Your Jupiter 
was a large horn, and you should work with a teacher to adjust your 
style to your new instrument. You may get some improvement by going to a 
larger mouthpiece, or perhaps you just need to adjust your expectations 
to what the horn can produce.



There are at least three, possibly four different models which could be 
involved. My experience with them is somewhat limited, but all were good 
horns. If he's looking for a horn to learn on, I'd suggest looking for a 
used instrument in good shape for less money. A trumpet player in 
particular could do very well with a 4 valve single Bb horn (but not a 
the Chinese POS!).

Richard Hirsh, Chicago
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[Hornlist] Re: Opinion on Bach horns

2008-06-05 Thread Richard

Linda wrote:

A friend of mine who is an amateur trumpet player wants to 
take up horn. He asked my opinion on Bach horns, but I know 
nothing about them. He found a double horn for $1,980 with a 
list price of $3,765. It sounds like a good deal to him 
financially. I don't believe he has tried playing the horn. 


Any thoughts on this brand for horn?


Another player on the other list asked a similar question. He had 
switched from a Jupiter to a Bach. Here is my response to him:


Selmer Bach horns were made for a relatively short time. Introduced in 
1977 as the Selmer 77, then I believe as the Bach 1101 a few years 
later. I have worked on one of each. The Selmer had a huge bell and 
played a lot like a Reynolds Chambers model. The Bach has a somewhat 
smaller, but still large, bell and has many of the same playing 
characteristics. Production ceased around 2003-2004. For a couple of 
years Yamaha YHR-567's were being rebranded as Bach's. Last I heard Bach 
doubles are now rebranded King Eroica's.


It sounds like you may have one of the Yamahas. None of the other models 
would be likely to "overblow and get shrill sounding" - the Yamaha has a 
medium bore taper, the others are all large or very large. Your Jupiter 
was a large horn, and you should work with a teacher to adjust your 
style to your new instrument. You may get some improvement by going to a 
larger mouthpiece, or perhaps you just need to adjust your expectations 
to what the horn can produce.




There are at least three, possibly four different models which could be 
involved. My experience with them is somewhat limited, but all were good 
horns. If he's looking for a horn to learn on, I'd suggest looking for a 
used instrument in good shape for less money. A trumpet player in 
particular could do very well with a 4 valve single Bb horn (but not a 
the Chinese POS!).


Richard Hirsh, Chicago
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