RE: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom
--- hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lied not lid, please. Aside from my expectation of Lied over lied from you, Hans, I will say this: Especially with some female singers I have often felt an urge to put a lid on a Lied. As for transposition of Lieder: One of my acquaintances in the music business had bought a ticket for ein Liederabend in Copenhagen with one of the great German divas (I dont remember if it was Seefried or Schwartzkopf). The concert agency had missed out on one crucial matter: they had not arranged for a person turning the pages for the piano player. My friend was hitchhiked to do that job. He told that the diva, after announcing the next song, would turn briefly to the pianist and call out whatever key she felt fitting her voice on the given day. Absolutely no mercy on the number of sharps or flats. And the pianist just did, what he was asked to do. We have at least two such pianists here in Denmark. Even if they are not fully schooled as singers, singers seek them for coaching on style in the Lieder-repertory. Even I, to my big surprise, have been asked to coach a soprano and her pianist at their dress rehearsal. As I was not prepared and had no score in my hands, I reduced myself to tell about some balance problems. My notions were accepted and followed. My visual knowledge of Schuberts Lieder comes from reading over and over the edition for Mittlere Stimme, as I have been married to a mezzo soprano. I guess that there are versions for Hohe Stimme and Tiefe Stimme as well. I think Fischer-Dieskau mostly sang from the Mittlere Stimme version. Singing techniques have developed, but to the best of my memory I seem to remember, that A was lower than 440 during the Schubert era. A factor to be taken into account even today. Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom
I thought 'long lid' meant the same as 'weight ounce'. Now it makes a little more sense, especially when factoring in all the different climates the music reaches. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 9:47 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom lied not lid, please. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alon reuven Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:07 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom Hi all , had the pleasure to play Auf dem strom both in original key and in Eb.The funny thing was that the tenor's preference was the original key and the soprano preferred it in Eb . It sounded to me much calmer in Eb , and not only because of the horn part . I do not think that I should Analise weather it was or wasn't at the right key , but if he managed to maintain interest through this very long lid. Alon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom
Dude, a 'long lid' is just a longer lasting lid (bonus!) - hey, got the munchies, gotta go - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:34:30 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom I thought 'long lid' meant the same as 'weight ounce'. Now it makes a little more sense, especially when factoring in all the different climates the music reaches. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom
Hi all , had the pleasure to play Auf dem strom both in original key and in Eb.The funny thing was that the tenor's preference was the original key and the soprano preferred it in Eb . It sounded to me much calmer in Eb , and not only because of the horn part . I do not think that I should Analise weather it was or wasn't at the right key , but if he managed to maintain interest through this very long lid. Alon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom
lied not lid, please. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alon reuven Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:07 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Tomb?ck's Auf dem Strom Hi all , had the pleasure to play Auf dem strom both in original key and in Eb.The funny thing was that the tenor's preference was the original key and the soprano preferred it in Eb . It sounded to me much calmer in Eb , and not only because of the horn part . I do not think that I should Analise weather it was or wasn't at the right key , but if he managed to maintain interest through this very long lid. Alon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tomb�ck's Auf dem Strom
Christopher Earnest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not long ago I got the CD The Art of the Vienna Horn featuring Wolfgang Tomböck, first horn in the Vienna Philharmonic. It is a truly wonderful recording, showing how beautiful the sound of a single F Vienna horn can be, and Tomböck is a great horn player and musician. I particularly admired his performance of Auf dem Strom, which is much more relaxed sounding than usual. In fact, in his program notes (as translated) he even writes We have never understood why Auf dem Strom is always interpreted so hysterically. His performance certainly makes it sound easy and peaceful, and the higher notes sound so relaxed that it almost sounds like he is playing a half step lower than written. In fact he is!!! He plays it in Eb rather than E!! This does give the piece a whole different flavor, which may have been his intent. But perhaps the intensity (or hysteria, as he calls it) of other performances comes at least partly from the higher key. I assume he did this at the request of the singer. The lower key does make the horn part easier, for both endurance and fingerings, but surely that can't be a problem for someone of his caliber. But whatever the reason, shouldn't the change have been mentioned in the program notes? Chris Earnest Listers, This leads to something I've wondered about for some time ... is it acceptable practice to perform a piece in a key other than the original? Singers have done this all the time, and on Prof. Pizka's web site, there is an edition of Auf dem Strom available in 3 or 4 different keys. But, I have a copy of the Weber Concertino for horn in Eb (ed. by John Cerminaro), and a copy of Mozart 1 transposed into Eb by Lorenzo Sansone (solo part is horn in F). The fingerings are easier, but would any horn teacher allow a student to perform Mozart 1 in Eb instead of D? Just wondering ... Bill - All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
