Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha YHR 881

2005-11-01 Thread billbamberg
My experience with descant horns, which is supported by the acoustical theory, 
is that a smaller bell throat allows production of a much superior French horn 
sound on the high horn.  An F alto horn with a large throat approaces the 
proportions of a euphonium with the loss of a lot of the high harmonics.  It is 
so much easier to find a mouthpiece to make a seamless transition between the 
horns with a smaller bell throat.
 
There is nothing inherently less loud using a smaller bell throat.  A smaller 
bell usually projects the sound better, giving the reflected sound more carry.  
Train yourself to hear your own sound coming back to you.  Find some time where 
you can play in an empty auditorium.  Take your Thompson, and practice 
symphonic excerpts.
 
To increase the power of a smaller belled instrument, there are several ways to 
go.  Since you are dealing with a descant horn, the options are a little 
different depending on whether you're playing full range or descant range.  
Although many players have gotten used to using a deep funnel mouthpiece (it 
takes the brilliance out of the Bb horn to match the dullness of a large 
throated F alto),  proper cup depth acoustically scales with the length of the 
horn.  A deep funnel mouthpiece is proper for a player who uses the standard F 
horn a lot.  The proper cup for a Bb, F alto horn should be proportionately 
shallower.  Since pop tone should be maintained, a large bowl shaped cup is 
appropriate.  A smaller belled horn with a large, bowl shaped mouthpiece is 
used very effectively outside of 8D territory.  Opening up the bore of the 
mouthpiece is another way to up throughput.
 
You might want to consider changing the front end of the leadpipe.  A larger 
venturi or faster taper can make a big difference.  A lot of my serious playing 
was done on fourth horn.  If you're successful getting a 'big' sound with a 
large, shallow mouthpiece, spend some time exploring the F alto horn for the 
very low register.
 
The only other advice I have is, for full range playing on a descant, or even a 
single Bb, an F attachment is much more essential than a stopping valve.  Get a 
crook made for the conversion,and learn to use it.
 
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Subject: [Hornlist] Yamaha YHR 881


Dear listers
I have a discant Yamaha YHR 881
which is pretty good - it gave good results in in many challenging pieces ,
but I cannot get a dissent forte on this instrument . it has a middle small
throat , and it seems to be the reason . Now I wonder - is there anybody who
knows :
a) if there is anybody out there who would trade a middle large bell+tail
 section for a middle small one ?
b) In general- if I would assemble a yellow brass bell section on a gold
brass body - should it create any problem?
thanks
Alon Reuven , Israel
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RE: [Hornlist] Yamaha YHR 881

2005-10-30 Thread Hans
Alon, why changing the whole design of the horn  & why not
just trying a different mouthpiece, a mouthpiece with a
larger bore, so you can enforce the sound by (this time)
actively send out more air support  And, due to the lack
of co-sounding side-maximas of the main sound wave the sound
will never carry as much as a regular double. A descant or
Bb-high-F has too different sound characteristics than a
F-Bb-double.

And, Alon, we name it descant-horn not "discant-horn". And I
suppose, you meant a "decent forte" not a "dissent forte".
Just to be correct.

And a last suggestion:
Do not change the equipment, better change your approach to
the given equipment by changing your (playing) technique.
You would be surprised about the possible results.

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Dear listers
I have a discant Yamaha YHR 881
which is pretty good - it gave good results in in many
challenging pieces , but I cannot get a dissent forte on
this instrument . it has a middle small throat , and it
seems to be the reason . Now I wonder - is there anybody who
knows :
a) if there is anybody out there who would trade a middle
large bell+tail  section for a middle small one ?
b) In general- if I would assemble a yellow brass bell
section on a gold brass body - should it create any problem?
thanks
Alon Reuven , Israel
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[Hornlist] Yamaha YHR 881

2005-10-30 Thread Alon reuven
Dear listers
I have a discant Yamaha YHR 881
which is pretty good - it gave good results in in many challenging pieces ,
but I cannot get a dissent forte on this instrument . it has a middle small
throat , and it seems to be the reason . Now I wonder - is there anybody who
knows :
a) if there is anybody out there who would trade a middle large bell+tail
 section for a middle small one ?
b) In general- if I would assemble a yellow brass bell section on a gold
brass body - should it create any problem?
thanks
Alon Reuven , Israel
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