Re: [Hornlist] re: why not piston valves?
No Carlberg, I had no use for the Eb crook! When I was in the 7th grade our band director took away all of the Eb crooks and we were transposing Eb parts well within a month. Regarding piston valves you are probably correct as nearly all rotary valves assemblies were coming from Germany at that time. That included the early Conn doubles, which used rotary valves except for the change valve, which was a piston. Pete ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re: why not piston valves?
At 7:48 PM -0700 3/12/06, Wendell L Exline wrote: During World War II many silver plated single F horns with piston valves were made for the US forces. Wasn't the theory that the military repair folks knew how to work on piston valves but not rotary valves? I have a pristine single F Conn with piston valves, silver plated. And an Eb slide, of course. Pete, would you have used it? Carlberg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My ISP feels that some of my e-mails are not worthy of deliverance. If you do not receive something you expect, please ask me to resend. I apologize for my ISP's evaluation of my e-mail's worthiness. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re: why not piston valves?
During World War II many silver plated single F horns with piston valves were made for the US forces. I suffered with one, which I used only when we were marching, and saved my old personal 6D for the inside work. It is so long ago that I don't remember who made it, but I think it was probably a King. Pete Exline ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re: why not piston valves?
Leonard Brown schreef: This is, no doubt, the question of a novice and an amateur, but why do modern horns use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I have read suggests that piston valves are superior, and since similar valves are in use in other brass instruments, I wonder why they are not used in more horns? Are they that much more expensive, e.g., what would a typical, new, $3000 horn cost if it were made with piston valves instead of rotors?< Just a note on this, the nicest single F horn I ever played was a King piston valve model. After playing it I understood how pro's in the past could deal with a single F... just a great horn. Didn't some English player try to make of go of it using piston valves in the early 50? : ) I have also played a compensating double with pistons, this design was popular in France up to the 80s or so... might still be. It worked very well also. Piston valves should not add to the cost of a horn. There is an extra twist in the pipe coming out of the valve case if you want it to look like a "normal" horn, otherwise the valve crooks are at 90 degrees compared what we are use to seeing. A picture I would like to see: There was a Conn model double with 3 pistons and 1 rotor valve. If you have a picture could you share? LLB (messingschlager) This site has a number of pictures of piston valved french horns (from France ;) ) The double horns are about 2/3 down the text, which unfortunately is in French. The site is from the French horn society. (or is that the French french horn society? ;) ) http://afcor.free.fr/Historique.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] re: why not piston valves?
>>> This is, no doubt, the question of a novice and an amateur, but why do modern horns use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I have read suggests that piston valves are superior, and since similar valves are in use in other brass instruments, I wonder why they are not used in more horns? Are they that much more expensive, e.g., what would a typical, new, $3000 horn cost if it were made with piston valves instead of rotors?< Just a note on this, the nicest single F horn I ever played was a King piston valve model. After playing it I understood how pro's in the past could deal with a single F... just a great horn. Didn't some English player try to make of go of it using piston valves in the early 50? : ) I have also played a compensating double with pistons, this design was popular in France up to the 80s or so... might still be. It worked very well also. Piston valves should not add to the cost of a horn. There is an extra twist in the pipe coming out of the valve case if you want it to look like a "normal" horn, otherwise the valve crooks are at 90 degrees compared what we are use to seeing. A picture I would like to see: There was a Conn model double with 3 pistons and 1 rotor valve. If you have a picture could you share? LLB (messingschlager) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
