AW: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

[Prof.Hans Pizka]

Hello Robson,

the low register cannot be produced sufficiently, nor can the intonation be
kept at a decent level, as the horn is not built to be played below written
c2 (middle space) in F-notation. Pieces requiring top notes like written
high g3 (= 4 ledger lines above staff) do not go down beyond middle space
(c2 F-notation). Missing all the overtones with this extreme short tube,
will not allow a pleasant sound in this region. A nice fluegelhorn would
sound much better. Sorry, that is the truth.

And all is not a matter of "being possible", but rather a matter of
"producing a beautiful sound with correct intonation & allowing all
technical movements plus long held notes within the phrases". The middle
movement should be the proving tool.


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[mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Robson
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Mai 2009 17:42
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Instead of "Does it have a nice even below the top of the staff"
please read "Does it have a nice *sound* even below the top of the staff ?"

Sorry! I forgot a word...

Robson

2009/5/3 Robson Adabo de Mello 

> Professor Hans
>
> I'm sure the high register can be played on a high bb horn (I believe it's
> gonna sound very similar to the high side of a Bb/bb horn). What about the
> "low" register? Does it have a nice even below the top of the staff.
>
> Thanks
> I'm asking because Paul said the following
>
> "Hello Robson,
> No, the Bb alto horn is very limited below the top of the staff- it is
> generally used above written high G.
> Almost everything below that requires a regular Bb horn.
> I have a Bb/Bb alto model 60, made by Paxman  and have found very little
> use for it besides the Neruda and some other baroque concertos, and a few
> other symphonic compositions,  like the Haydn symphomy #51.
> Paul Navarro"
> 2009/5/1 Prof.Hans Pizka 
>
> Yes, off course, but not much other use for this kind of a ??horn??.
>> Playing
>> this horn is no fun. One has to use a complete different mouthpiece (flat
>> cup, broader rim) to make it sound pleasantly. Yes, it can sound very
nice
>> then. But you will not be able to play Mozarts "Figaro" the next day,
>> because the normal embouchure will be gone.
>>
>> Do not believe, you could play higher than normal with this kind of
horns.
>> You just be safer in the high region & the sound will be much thinner
than
>> normal, - but that´s what is required for Neruda & Pokorny. If one does
>> not
>> have the chops to play up to concert bb2 on the regular double (that´s
the
>> Bb written atop the first ledger line above the staff - piano notation
>> !!),
>> this tiny horn will not make it. I mean, not just squeaking out the note
>> occasionally, but play it as a perfect tuned note in the desired dynamic
>> etc. Repeated: it is not enough just producing these top notes
>> occasionally
>> - at home in the bathroom, but on the concert platform with (nearly)
>> guarantee not to break them.
>>
>> And these kind of music is not written for the amateur.
>> Last argument: is such kind of music worth the investment ? For two
>> concerts
>> ?
>> Isn´t it much better, to leave these concertos to the trumpet players ?
>> Why
>> not ? They can play them very nicely, perhaps using a "fluegelhorn". It
is
>> not a sacrilege nor a shame. It is also no shame to decline an offer to
>> play
>> such extreme high concertos or cantatas.
>>
>> People try these tiny beasts & risk to ruin their embouchure, as they try
>> to
>> compensate the missing overtones by playing effort, which destroys the
>> embouchure in the short run. We know a lot of victims.
>>
>>
>>

>> =
>>
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu
>> [mailto:horn-bounces+hans =pizka.de@
>> music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Robson
>> Adabo de Mello
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Mai 2009 03:36
>> An: The Horn List
>> Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>>
>> I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn
>>
>>
>>
http://p30983.typo3server.info/fileadmin/images/bilddatenbank/diskanthoerner
>> /mod_99.jpg
>>
>> Robson
>>
>> P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)
>>
>> 2009/4/30 Robson Adabo de Mello 
>>
>> > I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn
>> >
>> > Robson
>> >
>> > P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)
>> >
>> >   2009/4/28 John.N Ward 
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Lawrence
>> >>
>> >> My ex. wife and her new husband still do.
>> >>
>> >> I still repair and sell horns if they come my way.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> John.
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:05:32 +0100
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor Ja

AW: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

[Prof.Hans Pizka]

Yes, off course, but not much other use for this kind of a ??horn??. Playing
this horn is no fun. One has to use a complete different mouthpiece (flat
cup, broader rim) to make it sound pleasantly. Yes, it can sound very nice
then. But you will not be able to play Mozarts "Figaro" the next day,
because the normal embouchure will be gone.

Do not believe, you could play higher than normal with this kind of horns.
You just be safer in the high region & the sound will be much thinner than
normal, - but that´s what is required for Neruda & Pokorny. If one does not
have the chops to play up to concert bb2 on the regular double (that´s the
Bb written atop the first ledger line above the staff - piano notation !!),
this tiny horn will not make it. I mean, not just squeaking out the note
occasionally, but play it as a perfect tuned note in the desired dynamic
etc. Repeated: it is not enough just producing these top notes occasionally
- at home in the bathroom, but on the concert platform with (nearly)
guarantee not to break them.

And these kind of music is not written for the amateur.
Last argument: is such kind of music worth the investment ? For two concerts
?
Isn´t it much better, to leave these concertos to the trumpet players ? Why
not ? They can play them very nicely, perhaps using a "fluegelhorn". It is
not a sacrilege nor a shame. It is also no shame to decline an offer to play
such extreme high concertos or cantatas. 

People try these tiny beasts & risk to ruin their embouchure, as they try to
compensate the missing overtones by playing effort, which destroys the
embouchure in the short run. We know a lot of victims.


=

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu
[mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Robson
Adabo de Mello
Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Mai 2009 03:36
An: The Horn List
Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn

http://p30983.typo3server.info/fileadmin/images/bilddatenbank/diskanthoerner
/mod_99.jpg

Robson

P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)

2009/4/30 Robson Adabo de Mello 

> I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn
>
> Robson
>
> P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)
>
>   2009/4/28 John.N Ward 
>
>>
>> Lawrence
>>
>> My ex. wife and her new husband still do.
>>
>> I still repair and sell horns if they come my way.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John.
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:05:32 +0100
>> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>> > From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com
>> > To: horn@music.memphis.edu
>>  >
>> > Thanks John.
>> >
>> > By the way - are you still running the Horn Exchange? I used to get
>> lists
>> > from you every year but I don't remember having anything for a while.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Lawrence
>> >
>> > 2009/4/28 John.N Ward 
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Lawrence
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > from my time at Paxmans during that period
>> > >
>> > > I'm sure that is what happened
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > >
>> > > John Ward
>> > >
>> > > > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:49:48 +0100
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>> > > > From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com
>> > > > To: hans.pi...@t-online.de; horn@music.memphis.edu
>> > > > CC:
>> > > >
>> > > > I heard a story about the recording of the Zelenka -
>> > > >
>> > > > WARNING: I have absolutely no evidence to support or substantiate
>> thIs
>> > > story
>> > > > and I offer it as an amusing anecdote which may or may not be as
>> true as
>> > > any
>> > > > other amusing anecdote doing the rounds. I cannot even remember who
>> told
>> > > me
>> > > > this.
>> > > >
>> > > > Anyway, the story was that Mr. Tuckwell took the high horn on
>> approval
>> > > from
>> > > > Paxmans with a view to buying it, recorded the Zelenka, possibly
the
>> only
>> > > > piece in the world for which he might need such an instrument, then
>> took
>> > > it
>> > > > back.
>> > > >
>> > > > Maybe someone from Paxmans or anyone closer to the events could
>> > > substantiate
>> > > > or repudiate this?
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > >
>> > > > Lawrence
>> > > > --
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