Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven #1, Horn in C - Alto or Basso?
Hello Steve, Kjellruns tumb rules are valid with the exception of C-alto, which is not explicitely noted such. This special transposition is found in certain Haydn ouvertures, in Mozarts Idomeneo etc. but rarely i the music of the 19th cent. You have well noted, that the horn parts would be far too high, if they were in C-alto (sound as written) in Beethoven no.1. So you are right. The horn parts of this symphony are rather simple. High horns are in Beethovens no.2 (A) and No.7 (A) with prominent solo spots. The no.4 has one entrance with high Bb, but the part is in Eb, so noted as high c. I´ll answer your mouthpiece question as soon as back home late next week. You should remember, that I am retired since April last year. BTW: will expect the first snow back home, but arriving from a quite hot country (Thaiand), where we enjoy the hot spa. Greetings Hans -- SigfridFafner the under ground horn player from Vienna ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Beethoven #1, Horn in C - Alto or Basso?
Thank you and thanks to Kjellrun for your replies. -S- > -Original Message- > From: Paul Mansur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:51 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven #1, Horn in C - Alto or Basso? > > Beethoven 1 is Horn in C basso, down a P4 for playing a horn in F. > > Paul Mansur > On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Steve Freides wrote: > > > I was looking at a score of Beethoven Symphony #1 and saw a pair of > > horns in C - does one assume this to be concert pitch (up a > fifth) or > > C basso (down a fourth and therefore 1 octave below concert pitch) > > from the usual Horn in F? > > Just from the looks of the part, I am guessing it's > C-basso. I don't > > know this symphony very well, I'm afraid, and I've never > played it on > > the horn, but I can say that it would be, at least for me, > so high as > > to be impossible to play in C-alto. (Unless I've > misunderstood, which > > is completely possible, how these transpositions work.) > > > > The score I was looking at is here > > > > http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/c/cc/IMSLP13842-Beethoven_- > > _Symphony_N > > o.1__Mvt.I__ed._Unger_.pdf > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > -S- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1710 - Release Date: > > 10/28/2008 > > 10:04 AM > > > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ > > options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays computer.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1710 - Release > Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven #1, Horn in C - Alto or Basso?
Beethoven 1 is Horn in C basso, down a P4 for playing a horn in F. Paul Mansur On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Steve Freides wrote: I was looking at a score of Beethoven Symphony #1 and saw a pair of horns in C - does one assume this to be concert pitch (up a fifth) or C basso (down a fourth and therefore 1 octave below concert pitch) from the usual Horn in F? Just from the looks of the part, I am guessing it's C-basso. I don't know this symphony very well, I'm afraid, and I've never played it on the horn, but I can say that it would be, at least for me, so high as to be impossible to play in C-alto. (Unless I've misunderstood, which is completely possible, how these transpositions work.) The score I was looking at is here http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/c/cc/IMSLP13842-Beethoven_- _Symphony_N o.1__Mvt.I__ed._Unger_.pdf Thanks in advance. -S- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1710 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven #1, Horn in C - Alto or Basso?
Basso. As a rough rule of thumb, take Bb as a point of demarcation. Transpositions between F and Bb above (F#, G, A, Bb alto) transpose UP. Those between F and Bb below (E, Eb, D, C, B/H, Bb Basso), transpose DOWN. ALL horn transpositions sound lower than concert pitch. There are some exceptions to this general rule, as discussed from time to time on the list, but this starting point, and some common sense, will cover most cases. Kjellrun On 28-Oct-08, at 2:06 PM, Steve Freides wrote: I was looking at a score of Beethoven Symphony #1 and saw a pair of horns in C - does one assume this to be concert pitch (up a fifth) or C basso (down a fourth and therefore 1 octave below concert pitch) from the usual Horn in F? Just from the looks of the part, I am guessing it's C-basso. I don't know this symphony very well, I'm afraid, and I've never played it on the horn, but I can say that it would be, at least for me, so high as to be impossible to play in C-alto. (Unless I've misunderstood, which is completely possible, how these transpositions work.) The score I was looking at is here http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/c/cc/IMSLP13842-Beethoven_- _Symphony_N o.1__Mvt.I__ed._Unger_.pdf Thanks in advance. -S- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1710 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hestekin%40mun.ca Kjellrun K. Hestekin School of Music Memorial University St. John's, NL Canada A1C 5S7 ph: (709) 737 - 8466 fax 709 737 2666 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
