RE: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
Sorry, very sorry, Bill, but this "fighter" was in the "business" long before he lost his legs, so did Colonel Rudel, also highest decorated fighter pilot. But the young girl has not yet begun learning an instrument. Why to start with an obstacle while perhaps talented in another field where the handicap would not count ??? Self realization ??? While the horn itself is tricky enough for the non-handicapped. What a nonsense. Sorry ! Please, mothers think first ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:26 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Handicap Question Hell, there was a famous WWII RAF Pilot who lost both legs and continued to fly Spitfires. Finally shot down over Germany he parachuted to safety but lost both artificial legs in the process. An RAF mission flew over the camp he was in and dropped a replacement set of prosthetics. Just shows what you can do if you have strong enough drive to get it done. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Kampen Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:18 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question Message text written by The Horn List >You can develop into a fine horn player with only one hand. A missing hand can be most effectively replaced by a prosthetic hand, < Dear All There is a very good amateur player in the Leeds area of West Yorkshire who plays with a prosthetic right hand. There were two players (one still active as a teacher) who played in full time orchestras (both 3rd horns at the BBC in fact) who had/have no left hand and who played/play with a horn built 'wrong way round'. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airm ail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
Hell, there was a famous WWII RAF Pilot who lost both legs and continued to fly Spitfires. Finally shot down over Germany he parachuted to safety but lost both artificial legs in the process. An RAF mission flew over the camp he was in and dropped a replacement set of prosthetics. Just shows what you can do if you have strong enough drive to get it done. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Kampen Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:18 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question Message text written by The Horn List >You can develop into a fine horn player with only one hand. A missing hand can be most effectively replaced by a prosthetic hand, < Dear All There is a very good amateur player in the Leeds area of West Yorkshire who plays with a prosthetic right hand. There were two players (one still active as a teacher) who played in full time orchestras (both 3rd horns at the BBC in fact) who had/have no left hand and who played/play with a horn built 'wrong way round'. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
Message text written by The Horn List >You can develop into a fine horn player with only one hand. A missing hand can be most effectively replaced by a prosthetic hand, < Dear All There is a very good amateur player in the Leeds area of West Yorkshire who plays with a prosthetic right hand. There were two players (one still active as a teacher) who played in full time orchestras (both 3rd horns at the BBC in fact) who had/have no left hand and who played/play with a horn built 'wrong way round'. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
I've played with a one handed trumpet player and a one handed euphonium player who didn't seem to be at all impeded. I lost the use of my left hand last February from a stroke. I'm just getting back to playing using my Paxman 42 as a Bb instrument. Pushing the valves is easy, but lifting the fingers to change to a different note is still a bear. I'm finally getting enough use of the pinky to use the F attachment. >From my experience, I can't imagine why anyone missing the left hand would >even consider horn. -Original Message- From: Joshua Cheuvront <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Hornlist] Handicap Question Hi All, I think we've touched on this subject before, but I don't remember specifically what people had to say. Since it's been a while, and there are new people on the list, I figure it can't hurt to bring this up again. Here's the problem: I just received a call from the parent of a 15 year old who saw my ad on hornplayer.net. She's interested in having her daughter study French Horn with me, as both of her siblings play a musical instrument and she wants her to have the same opportunity. The problem is, her daughter does not have a left hand. She said that a friend of hers who is a "chamber musician" suggested that maybe the French Horn would be a good instrument for her to learn because "you don't need both hands to play one." I told her I would do some research and get back to her within a few days. I also asked her if the girl was dead set on playing the horn. Her reply was that they just wanted to find some sort of musical instrument for her to play, preferably with others. For those of you who've dealt with this situation before: how did/do you respond. I'm especially interested in hearing from our list members who have handicaps of their own or know someone who does. Cordially, Josh Cheuvront ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
There are also 3 valve compensating euphoniums. That is, when the 3rd valve is depressed, the air takes a trip through the compensating side of the 1st and 2nd valves. Herb Foster --- Luke Zyla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only problem with trumpet is that you need a left hand to manipulate > the first and third valve slides. Sure, you can get through the > beginning stages without a left hand, but the player would be > handicapped in the more advanced stages. A four valve euphonium is perfect. > CORdially, > Luke Zyla > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > If she is missing her left hand, I would think that the horn would be about > > >the worst choice of brass instrument. Cornet or trumpet would be ideal, > since > >they are fingered with the right hand and are light enough to be played > >one-handed. > > > >Emory Waters > >___ > >post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net > > > > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
"Her reply was that they just wanted to find some sort of musical instrument for her to play, preferably with others." This to me implies that another instrument might do. If the young lady is particularly passionate about the sound of the horn, and the repertoire associated with it, then I would suggest to do everything possible to make it happen. Walter Lawson (and I imagine others) have made instruments adapted to such physical challenges, but I would imagine there are expenses involved beyond the normal. I think the suggestion of a right-handed, three or four valved instrument is appropriate in this particular case. O. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joshua Cheuvront Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:35 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Handicap Question Hi All, I think we've touched on this subject before, but I don't remember specifically what people had to say. Since it's been a while, and there are new people on the list, I figure it can't hurt to bring this up again. Here's the problem: I just received a call from the parent of a 15 year old who saw my ad on hornplayer.net. She's interested in having her daughter study French Horn with me, as both of her siblings play a musical instrument and she wants her to have the same opportunity. The problem is, her daughter does not have a left hand. She said that a friend of hers who is a "chamber musician" suggested that maybe the French Horn would be a good instrument for her to learn because "you don't need both hands to play one." I told her I would do some research and get back to her within a few days. I also asked her if the girl was dead set on playing the horn. Her reply was that they just wanted to find some sort of musical instrument for her to play, preferably with others. For those of you who've dealt with this situation before: how did/do you respond. I'm especially interested in hearing from our list members who have handicaps of their own or know someone who does. Cordially, Josh Cheuvront ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
In a message dated 10/12/2005 6:07:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure, you can get through the beginning stages without a left hand, but the player would be handicapped in the more advanced stages. A four valve euphonium is perfect. These are some personal observances, based on the few people I know with similar circumstances: You can develop into a fine horn player with only one hand. A missing hand can be most effectively replaced by a prosthetic hand, and right-handed horns can either be made custom for you, or a left-handed horn can be customized. There are work-arounds for stopping and muting, which I need not discuss here. And, most players using prostheses learn quickly how to achieve intonation positions with their prosthetic hand. Almost certainly you cannot do everything required of a horn player at the highest level of playing. However, the players I know in this situation are extremely fine players, and can play in almost every setting. There seems to be a motivational factor involved in these situations which is every bit as effective as the prosthesis or the modified instrument. As for the euphonium suggestion, which is a good one, I would add two notes. First, euphonium parts are not ubiquitous, whereas horn parts are. There are just more opportunities to play horn, I think. Second, if playing euphonium, consider a compensating model. There are some really fine compensating instruments, and this would completely eliminate any need to pull slides. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
The only problem with trumpet is that you need a left hand to manipulate the first and third valve slides. Sure, you can get through the beginning stages without a left hand, but the player would be handicapped in the more advanced stages. A four valve euphonium is perfect. CORdially, Luke Zyla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If she is missing her left hand, I would think that the horn would be about the worst choice of brass instrument. Cornet or trumpet would be ideal, since they are fingered with the right hand and are light enough to be played one-handed. Emory Waters ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
You should suggest that the student learn to play the Euphonium. The horn does take two hands to play well. The Euphonium is the only brass instrument that you can play with only a right hand. We had a student in our county who was missing a left hand due to a birth defect. She developed into a very good Euphonium player. CORdially, Luke Zyla Joshua Cheuvront wrote: Hi All, I think we've touched on this subject before, but I don't remember specifically what people had to say. Since it's been a while, and there are new people on the list, I figure it can't hurt to bring this up again. Here's the problem: I just received a call from the parent of a 15 year old who saw my ad on hornplayer.net. She's interested in having her daughter study French Horn with me, as both of her siblings play a musical instrument and she wants her to have the same opportunity. The problem is, her daughter does not have a left hand. She said that a friend of hers who is a "chamber musician" suggested that maybe the French Horn would be a good instrument for her to learn because "you don't need both hands to play one." I told her I would do some research and get back to her within a few days. I also asked her if the girl was dead set on playing the horn. Her reply was that they just wanted to find some sort of musical instrument for her to play, preferably with others. For those of you who've dealt with this situation before: how did/do you respond. I'm especially interested in hearing from our list members who have handicaps of their own or know someone who does. Cordially, Josh Cheuvront ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
There are right handed horns. There are horn players who are accepted into their sections as right handed horn players. However, to what degree this may be accepted in your locale certainly depends upon the open mindedness of the section members. A challenge, no doubt about it. Sincere good wishes, Debbie Wenger From: "Joshua Cheuvront" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Handicap Question Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:35:00 -0400 Hi All, I think we've touched on this subject before, but I don't remember specifically what people had to say. Since it's been a while, and there are new people on the list, I figure it can't hurt to bring this up again. Here's the problem: I just received a call from the parent of a 15 year old who saw my ad on hornplayer.net. She's interested in having her daughter study French Horn with me, as both of her siblings play a musical instrument and she wants her to have the same opportunity. The problem is, her daughter does not have a left hand. She said that a friend of hers who is a "chamber musician" suggested that maybe the French Horn would be a good instrument for her to learn because "you don't need both hands to play one." I told her I would do some research and get back to her within a few days. I also asked her if the girl was dead set on playing the horn. Her reply was that they just wanted to find some sort of musical instrument for her to play, preferably with others. For those of you who've dealt with this situation before: how did/do you respond. I'm especially interested in hearing from our list members who have handicaps of their own or know someone who does. Cordially, Josh Cheuvront ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/vtagirl%40hotmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Handicap Question
In a message dated 10/11/2005 11:35:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just received a call from the parent of a 15 year old who saw my ad on hornplayer.net. She's interested in having her daughter study French Horn with me, as both of her siblings play a musical instrument and she wants her to have the same opportunity. The problem is, her daughter does not have a left hand. She said that a friend of hers who is a "chamber musician" suggested that maybe the French Horn would be a good instrument for her to learn because "you don't need both hands to play one." I told her I would do some research and get back to her within a few days. I also asked her if the girl was dead set on playing the horn. Her reply was that they just wanted to find some sort of musical instrument for her to play, preferably with others. If she is missing her left hand, I would think that the horn would be about the worst choice of brass instrument. Cornet or trumpet would be ideal, since they are fingered with the right hand and are light enough to be played one-handed. Emory Waters ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
