RE: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments

[Richard]

I think Chris Wilhjelm is on target about the Willson/Getzen 
instruments. The horn mouthpiece adapters just don't work, but a cornet 
mouthpiece will. I don't believe Getzen makes any instruments anymore, 
but imports and stencils. Willson is quite a reputable brass maker from 
Switzerland. Their web site:  http://willsonbrass.com/


If you want to play with a horn mouthpiece, get a Bb marching French 
Horn. The King 1122 (= Conn 16E I believe) and Yamaha YHR-302M are 3 
valve Bb horns in the shape of an overgrown cornet. They are played with 
a horn mouthpiece and fingered with the right hand. The Yamaha is no 
longer made (they list the current model as the YHR-322, which is 
regular their 4 valve Bb French horn.) but is shown on their web site 
under marching brass. The King brand seems to be gone. Note that the 
King 1120 is not a marching French horn, but a marching mellophone and 
should be played with a mellophone mouthpiece. The Conn-Selmer web site 
does not list any mellophones or marching brass. HOWEVER, there are lots 
of these instruments around in the used marketplace.


I have King 1122, and it plays surprisingly well ($75 on eBay and about 
3 hours of repair work - lacquer is still spotty). The only issue I have 
with it is that like most King horns, the receiver and venturi are on 
the small side. If the mouthpiece doesn't go in far enough, it feels 
stuffy and the high register goes flat. I'd suggest a mouthpiece with a 
wide flat rim for marching. The Bach 10 or 11 would be good, but their 
shanks run large, and you'd have to fit one to the horn to get good 
performance. I've been using an old Conn 2, which fits it well and plays 
well in tune.


Richard Hirsh, Chicago
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RE: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments

[Christian Wilhjelm]

Sandra,
I was "stuck" with a few of these several years ago,  Though they carry
the Getzen name on the bell - you may notice the name Willson stamped on
the side.  These are essentially F (or e flat if you have the
extensions) cornets (by whatever name).  and ... they don't have to be
terrible.  

The thing that helped us was forgetting the horn mouthpieces and
adapters - the horns were never close to in tune with these.  I had some
success with E flat horn mouthpieces for the horn players and better yet
deep cup cornet mouthpieces.

I began to enjoy the horns - they were light - cut through the band
without forcing and in the hands of decent players sounded pretty good. 
I like the the b flat king/conn horns better.

Best
Chris Wilhjelm 
 
>>> "Sandra Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/09/08 2:56 PM >>> 
If it's long and thin - it's most likely the Getzen hybrid between
trumpet
and horn.  Unfortunately, the only part of it inspired by the horn
seemed to
be the mouthpiece receiver size. 

You might want to try a King Marching F horn - or perhaps even their
Bb
model.  I've heard good things about those.  Kanstul (another marching
horns
manufacturer) makes one with a swept lead pipe - so your bell can be
high
without screwing up your embouchure!

Good luck - 

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Tim
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Subject: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments

Hello again.

I am a member of a community band in northern New Jersey (for those of

you in the area, it is the Palisades Park Fire Department Band), which

does many parades.  Last year when I joined, I was the only marching 
hornist.  Since I was new to the music and I cannot affix a lyre to my

horn, I had a choice of two interesting instruments to play (both 
pitched in the key of F).  I did not like the first one that I played. 

The only way I can describe it is as a "flumpet", a sort of large 
trumpet pitched in F.  It had horrible intonation, going sharp as I 
moved up the register.  The second instrument I greatly enjoy, it is a

Conn 16E Mellophonium.  The intonation is much better, and the tone 
(though closer to a trumpet) is almost sort of like a horn's.  My 
question is this: does anyone know what the first instrument was?  I 
would attach a link for pictures but I did not get any.  Thank you very

much.

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RE: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments

[Sandra Clark]

If it's long and thin - it's most likely the Getzen hybrid between trumpet
and horn.  Unfortunately, the only part of it inspired by the horn seemed to
be the mouthpiece receiver size. 

You might want to try a King Marching F horn - or perhaps even their Bb
model.  I've heard good things about those.  Kanstul (another marching horns
manufacturer) makes one with a swept lead pipe - so your bell can be high
without screwing up your embouchure!

Good luck - 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim
Kecherson
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:44 PM
To: Hornlist
Subject: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments

Hello again.

I am a member of a community band in northern New Jersey (for those of 
you in the area, it is the Palisades Park Fire Department Band), which 
does many parades.  Last year when I joined, I was the only marching 
hornist.  Since I was new to the music and I cannot affix a lyre to my 
horn, I had a choice of two interesting instruments to play (both 
pitched in the key of F).  I did not like the first one that I played.  
The only way I can describe it is as a "flumpet", a sort of large 
trumpet pitched in F.  It had horrible intonation, going sharp as I 
moved up the register.  The second instrument I greatly enjoy, it is a 
Conn 16E Mellophonium.  The intonation is much better, and the tone 
(though closer to a trumpet) is almost sort of like a horn's.  My 
question is this: does anyone know what the first instrument was?  I 
would attach a link for pictures but I did not get any.  Thank you very 
much.

--
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Re: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments

[David Goldberg]

It's a frumpet (not a flumpet - until you try to play it).  Getzen?  I 
have two of them.  They are in F.  Until you try to play them.  Then 
they are not in F.  Or any other key.


They are good medicine.  Laughter is good medicine.

Do a google image search on 'frumpet'.  The first hit is good enough:
*www.horn-u-copia.net/.../YaBB.pl?num=1124853015 
*


but if you do the image search, your screen will strewn with these uh, 
instruments.


David Goldberg


Tim Kecherson wrote:

Hello again.

I am a member of a community band in northern New Jersey (for those of 
you in the area, it is the Palisades Park Fire Department Band), which 
does many parades.  Last year when I joined, I was the only marching 
hornist.  Since I was new to the music and I cannot affix a lyre to my 
horn, I had a choice of two interesting instruments to play (both 
pitched in the key of F).  I did not like the first one that I 
played.  The only way I can describe it is as a "flumpet", a sort of 
large trumpet pitched in F.  It had horrible intonation, going sharp 
as I moved up the register.  The second instrument I greatly enjoy, it 
is a Conn 16E Mellophonium.  The intonation is much better, and the 
tone (though closer to a trumpet) is almost sort of like a horn's.  My 
question is this: does anyone know what the first instrument was?  I 
would attach a link for pictures but I did not get any.  Thank you 
very much.


--
Tim
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Re: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments

[YATESLAWRENCE]

Take a look at this web site for info on the frumpet (and much more)
 
_http://www.alsmiddlebrasspages.com/mellophone/bellfront.html_ 
(http://www.alsmiddlebrasspages.com/mellophone/bellfront.html) 
 
 
Cheers,
 
Lawrence
 
lawrenceyates.co.uk



   
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Re: [Hornlist] Marching Instruments

[YATESLAWRENCE]

 
 
In a message dated 09/06/2008 19:46:21 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
writes:

My  
question is this: does anyone know what the first instrument  was? 


A frumpet?
 
lawrenceyates.co.uk



   
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