Re: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Cleaning/Bath
I'll agree with Ken. I am willing and able to remove the valves from my Finke, and I have. However, when I saw bad things in my horn, I took it to Ken to be cleaned properly. He has equipment and knowledge I don't. With proper oiling my horn won't need professional cleaning for a long time. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soyou want to keep your horns clean and do it on the cheap, and safely too? First of all, I agree with Dave Weiner- if you do your own cleanings with those kits which are available - you must be very careful to be certain to remove ALL traces of the cleaning fluids AND you must neutralize the surfaces afterwards OR you will be leaving your instruments in a non-neutral state. In otherwords, by trying to save money - you could be ending up with a horn which is 'Red Rot Ready'. There are even top name repair shops who use over the counter toilet bowl cleaners to clean horns at conventions WITHOUT neutralizing the horn, WITHOUT degreasing the instrument by fully immersing it, WITHOUT fully immersing the body of the horn in said cleaning fluids - AND they charge high prices too - in my mind they are doing more harm, than good to a horn. So... my suggestions: 1. Get the horn cleaned professionally - IN a well respected shop, preferably ultrasonically! THEN keep it well oiled, and keep the mouthpipe clean. That way you'll only have to have it cleaned every 3 or 4 years! That works out to about $30/year (less than you pay for a single oil change with your car). 2. DO NOT have your horn cleaned at any 'off site' place (ie. A workshop, or concert). These shops will not have their full facilities available to do a proper job. I understand your desire to save money (I have 4 kids!!), but you should keep things in a proper perspective. Also, please do not think even for a moment that I am advocating this because I am a technician who benefits from doing this procedure, I am advocating this from the standpoint of seeing hundreds of horns a year that have been home 'cleaned', or poorly cleaned by other shops and spend much of my time re-repairing said instruments. Sincerely, Ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Cleaning
On Friday, June 4, 2004, at 03:23 PM, rebecca ferris wrote: i don't get it, why is a snake so bad? and if a snake is not used, then how does the horn get cleaned? -rebecca The objection is to one of those old metal snakes -- the steel in them can gouge the brass. The new plastic ones are more generally approved, I'm sure. Paul Mansur ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Cleaning
Better think of : How can I care better THAT THE HORN IS NOT SPOILED INSIDE. If a snake is needed to clean the lead pipe inside, my goodness, how long are the intervals between cleaning your horn. If you care, nothing accumulates inside the lead pipe, nearly nothing. But if you eat candies cake during the intervals, drinking all the sugar containing refreshments and forget to clean mouth teeth, yes, a lot of dirt will accumulate. If you consider my advise to care about the instrument, you have not to care about using a snake to scratch away all the crusts left in your horn. Snake can lose parts of the brush. These parts can be flushed into another corner of the horn remaining there for years, perhaps, but you would wonder about some crazy noise in your horn. Inside flush your horn once a month, should be enough. Get it ultra sonic cleaned every two or three years by a good repair man who has these facilities or where else you find ultra sonic cleaning equipment bif enough to contain a horn. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rebecca ferris Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Cleaning i don't get it, why is a snake so bad? and if a snake is not used, then how does the horn get cleaned? -rebecca An how about the effect of a cleaning snake, where parts of the brush get off are swapped into the valve system ? Detergent, attaching the pipe of the hand brush to the lead pipe (take care that the water does not get too hot for your hand !) let the water flush all through. You might take off the valve slides first. But snake ? Better a big No-No. Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default .asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
