Re: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
FYI, Linen fishing line, known as "Cuttyhunk" has not been manufactured since shortly after the Second World War. You can still find some on eBay if you know the proper diameter, weight, etc. Happy bidding! Bob Osmun www.osmun.com - Original Message - From: "sheldon kirshner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks I agree. Having the tools for self sufficiency is always a big deal. Is the linen line you referred to "Cuttyhunk"? I've heard both Farkas and Wedgewood used it. Shel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Goldberg Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:05 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks hans wrote: One question to all lamenting about expenses for corks or cork cutters: For what else would you need the cork cutter ??? To provide your colleagues with corks How many ??? To open a bumper cork business ??? Ridiculous, how cheap many of you think. To buy a little pack of (say) twenty cork sticks would cost you a few USD only, but one stick is enough for a double horn to re-cork completely. How often do you have to replace these corks ??? Every year or every two years ??? So the pack would last between ten to twenty year per horn used. THINK BIGGER not only VERY VERY CHEAP. We have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now. Hans, If your riposte is to counter my Bass-o-Matic commercial, as was Bob Osmun's, you are on the wrong track. The original writer asked where can he get good quality cork for his valves, as he is under-age and so he doesn't have access to the traditional champagne bottle cork. Really, cork borers are not necessary to fashion valve corks, for a person who can learn to be handy with a small, sharp knife. And that's what this is about. My teacher taught me how to cut my own valve-corks from champagne bottle cork, to line up the marks; do the whole job myself, and restring using linen fish-line - not from a horn-repair shop, but from any store that sells fishing line. Any student who learns this mid-level horn maintenance can be grateful to such a teacher for teaching the student how to take care of his instrument. A large part of any teacher's job is to help the student to become independent - that's the word that I used in my message, and that's the message. It is not about screwing the rapacious agents of the valve-cork cartel. It may be, as Hans says, that "we have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now", but hornists' desire to learn to take care of their instruments - using only a champagne bottle cork and a knife - is not pushing us closer to the cliff. And neither is owning a cork-borer. I have had mine for more than 40 years - I bought it without valve cork repair in mind; it's a handy, if NHR tool once in a while. Good grief guys, back off. { David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } { Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College } { Ann Arbor Michigan } ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/skirshner%40ameritech.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rosmun%40osmun.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
I agree. Having the tools for self sufficiency is always a big deal. Is the linen line you referred to "Cuttyhunk"? I've heard both Farkas and Wedgewood used it. Shel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Goldberg Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:05 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks hans wrote: > One question to all lamenting about expenses for corks or cork > cutters: > > For what else would you need the cork cutter ??? To provide your > colleagues with corks How many ??? To open a bumper cork business > ??? Ridiculous, how cheap many of you think. > > To buy a little pack of (say) twenty cork sticks would cost you a few > USD only, but one stick is enough for a double horn to re-cork > completely. > > How often do you have to replace these corks ??? Every year or every > two years ??? So the pack would last between ten to twenty year per > horn used. > > THINK BIGGER not only VERY VERY CHEAP. > > We have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now. > > > > Hans, If your riposte is to counter my Bass-o-Matic commercial, as was Bob Osmun's, you are on the wrong track. The original writer asked where can he get good quality cork for his valves, as he is under-age and so he doesn't have access to the traditional champagne bottle cork. Really, cork borers are not necessary to fashion valve corks, for a person who can learn to be handy with a small, sharp knife. And that's what this is about. My teacher taught me how to cut my own valve-corks from champagne bottle cork, to line up the marks; do the whole job myself, and restring using linen fish-line - not from a horn-repair shop, but from any store that sells fishing line. Any student who learns this mid-level horn maintenance can be grateful to such a teacher for teaching the student how to take care of his instrument. A large part of any teacher's job is to help the student to become independent - that's the word that I used in my message, and that's the message. It is not about screwing the rapacious agents of the valve-cork cartel. It may be, as Hans says, that "we have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now", but hornists' desire to learn to take care of their instruments - using only a champagne bottle cork and a knife - is not pushing us closer to the cliff. And neither is owning a cork-borer. I have had mine for more than 40 years - I bought it without valve cork repair in mind; it's a handy, if NHR tool once in a while. Good grief guys, back off. { David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } { Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College } { Ann Arbor Michigan } ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/skirshner%40ameritech.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
hans wrote: One question to all lamenting about expenses for corks or cork cutters: For what else would you need the cork cutter ??? To provide your colleagues with corks How many ??? To open a bumper cork business ??? Ridiculous, how cheap many of you think. To buy a little pack of (say) twenty cork sticks would cost you a few USD only, but one stick is enough for a double horn to re-cork completely. How often do you have to replace these corks ??? Every year or every two years ??? So the pack would last between ten to twenty year per horn used. THINK BIGGER not only VERY VERY CHEAP. We have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now. Hans, If your riposte is to counter my Bass-o-Matic commercial, as was Bob Osmun's, you are on the wrong track. The original writer asked where can he get good quality cork for his valves, as he is under-age and so he doesn't have access to the traditional champagne bottle cork. Really, cork borers are not necessary to fashion valve corks, for a person who can learn to be handy with a small, sharp knife. And that's what this is about. My teacher taught me how to cut my own valve-corks from champagne bottle cork, to line up the marks; do the whole job myself, and restring using linen fish-line - not from a horn-repair shop, but from any store that sells fishing line. Any student who learns this mid-level horn maintenance can be grateful to such a teacher for teaching the student how to take care of his instrument. A large part of any teacher's job is to help the student to become independent - that's the word that I used in my message, and that's the message. It is not about screwing the rapacious agents of the valve-cork cartel. It may be, as Hans says, that "we have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now", but hornists' desire to learn to take care of their instruments - using only a champagne bottle cork and a knife - is not pushing us closer to the cliff. And neither is owning a cork-borer. I have had mine for more than 40 years - I bought it without valve cork repair in mind; it's a handy, if NHR tool once in a while. Good grief guys, back off. { David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } { Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College } { Ann Arbor Michigan } ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks
One question to all lamenting about expenses for corks or cork cutters: For what else would you need the cork cutter ??? To provide your colleagues with corks How many ??? To open a bumper cork business ??? Ridiculous, how cheap many of you think. To buy a little pack of (say) twenty cork sticks would cost you a few USD only, but one stick is enough for a double horn to re-cork completely. How often do you have to replace these corks ??? Every year or every two years ??? So the pack would last between ten to twenty year per horn used. THINK BIGGER not only VERY VERY CHEAP. We have fallen to a very cheap thinking society now. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:54 PM To: Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Valve Corks An update to the website Professor Pizka gave: The page showing how to change the corks is http://www.pizka.de/Change-Corks.htm Thank you for your help. FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org